Losing Belly Fat with a bad back...

I have 3 degenerative disks in my lower back as well as spinal stenosis. I bought an elliptical trainer awhile back and got myself into a rhythm of using it pretty consistently. I started out slowly adding more time to each workout (I used it as a cardio jumpstart before doing my toning exercises). A few months ago, when I got my elliptical exercise up to 45 minutes+ consistently I noticed after about 20 minutes my toes and feet would start to go numb from the stenosis. I have been to the doctor and they said there isn't much I can do outside of surgery and I am only 28 so he doesn't want to do that yet. What else can I try to help lose my belly?? I can get on the elliptical and push thru the pain/numbness, but it is uncomfortable and kind of scary. I also have a problem with water retention that we can't seem to figure out, I hold water better than a camel and barely sweat even with intense cardio. I don't know if my tummy is actually fat or retained water. I need help!! :sad:
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  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
    Just eat less. Srs.
  • I have changed my diet, have a 1200 calorie goal and don't usually hit it. The foods I am eating are also healthier, fruits and veggies, less sodium, etc. I don't drink pop or caffeinated beverages anymore. I've lost weight, I need to lose inches.
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    Just eat less. Srs.

    What this guy said, Srs
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Just eat less. Srs.

    What this guy said, Srs

    What they said. Srs.
  • If you have no interest in actually helping go to another post.
  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,323 Member
    If you have no interest in actually helping go to another post.

    no no...they have interest. srs.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    If you have no interest in actually helping go to another post.

    If you have no interest in listening, go to another forum.
  • I posted a topic looking for someone to actually give me some insight on alternate exercises I can try, not being told to eat less food (like I haven't tried that) by someone only to have that restated like it's some game by others. If you have a tip, exercise or some magical food that I can eat to get rid of belly fat then fine, if you don't, why even post? Or do you mean to tell me that eating less itself will actually burn the belly fat? Srs.
  • yo_andi
    yo_andi Posts: 2,178 Member
    Not hitting 1200 is probably just as bad as eating three times that.

    Go here, run your numbers and use that as your calorie goal daily instead.

    http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/bmr/

    Then, can you incorporate non-weight bearing exercises like swimming into your workout? Can you walk on a normal surface, not the elliptical? My toes and lower legs sometimes go numb on the elliptical and arc trainer too, in fact, I've heard it's quite common.

    Also, there are ways to do strength training whilst protecting your back. I normally would *never* recommend a www.livestrong.com article but this one suggests the same workarounds my chiropractor recommended.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/332240-how-to-lift-weights-with-a-back-injury/

    Good luck!
  • Thank you, I will look into that!
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Your question, from your post:
    What else can I try to help lose my belly??

    You can eat less/better. You don't need exercise to lose weight. Period. All that is needed to lose wight is a healthy deficit with reasonable macros. You can get to the deficit with diet alone, or with diet + exercise. They both work. So if exercise is a problem for you (which as you posted, it is), then just put more emphasis on eating right.

    As for the water retention... how are your sodium and potassium levels?

    And people agree to support the point, so that people looking for advice (you or other people reading the thread) see that more than 1 person agrees. Since very few of us are actual experts, having a point/suggestion supported by multiple people can be very helpful when trying to sift through the volumes of advice on this board.

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  • starryskies89
    starryskies89 Posts: 35 Member
    I think she said she already eats 1200 calories a day, that is already very low, eating less than that is what the others are recommending? Whatever, LOL :/

    I would say be patient, your body will lose fat all over, or basically where ever it wants to when you are eating at a deficit, there is no cure for belly fat. If you are retaining water is your abdomen hard even when you don't flex it? Perhaps go on a low sodium diet?
    There is a lot of good information on the forum about eating above your BMR which is your basal metabolic rate, usually it's a few hundred calories higher than 1200 for most people, just google BMR calculator. But research and reading and then trying different things is what I would recommend..
    Also, if you can only do a small amount of cardio at a time, just do that, 20 minutes daily is much better than nothing for your health.
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
    I posted a topic looking for someone to actually give me some insight on alternate exercises I can try, not being told to eat less food (like I haven't tried that) by someone only to have that restated like it's some game by others. If you have a tip, exercise or some magical food that I can eat to get rid of belly fat then fine, if you don't, why even post? Or do you mean to tell me that eating less itself will actually burn the belly fat? Srs.

    Losing weight is a result of burning more calories than you eat. You can create this scenario with a combonation of diet and exercise or one or the other alone. Normally I also suggest some form of resistance training, but I am not qualified to say what would be safe for you. The best place to go for that would be a sports oriented medical professional. Not a forum on the internet.
  • trixiemou
    trixiemou Posts: 554 Member
    No now guys, behave!!

    Don't know how much this will help but you may be able to check out the exercises and see which you can do. I downloaded an app for my ipod called absolute abs. I know there willl be some that may not be suitable but find the glute bridge is particularly good for that area.

    Cheers
  • rarobe01
    rarobe01 Posts: 3 Member
    My feet will go numb using the eliptical trainer as well. I make it a point to make a fist with my toes about every 5 minutes and it seems to work well for me.
  • newhabit
    newhabit Posts: 426 Member
    so you can't really lift weights at all then? maybe you can do something in the form of strength training? i have to tell you, that has really helped me more than anything. lifting weights really helps cut down on body fat. because more muscle on the body is good for your metabolism so then you can eat more and not gain.
  • cmcollins001
    cmcollins001 Posts: 3,472 Member
    Basically what everyone is saying that you can't target what fat you're body is going to lose. You can't target just belly fat regardless of what you try to do. Exercise doesn't lose inches or weight, your calorie deficit does. Exercise will just increase that deficit. You said you're goal is 1200 calories and you don't even reach that most days, is that the number you came up with or did MFP give you that goal?
  • Your question, from your post:
    What else can I try to help lose my belly??

    You can eat less/better. You don't need exercise to lose weight. Period. All that is needed to lose wight is a healthy deficit with reasonable macros. You can get to the deficit with diet alone, or with diet + exercise. They both work. So if exercise is a problem for you (which as you posted, it is), then just put more emphasis on eating right.

    As for the water retention... how are your sodium and potassium levels?

    And people agree to support the point, so that people looking for advice (you or other people reading the thread) see that more than 1 person agrees. Since very few of us are actual experts, having a point/suggestion supported by multiple people can be very helpful when trying to sift through the volumes of advice on this board.

    .

    I appreciate the information. Thank you.
  • summertime_girl
    summertime_girl Posts: 3,945 Member
    Are you sure the toe numbness is a result of your back issues? I have found that a lot of the machines angle the foot pads down, so the toes are pressing on the top of the shoes. If I use my elliptical at home, I wear flip flops.
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    Feet going numb on the elliptical is very common, are you sure it's caused by your back problems?

    Try riding on your heels for 1 minute, every 5 minutes. As in, lift your toes right off of the platforms. If the numbness/tingling fades then you know what the problem is. Most people tend to put a lot of weight on the balls of their feet on the elliptical and it causes this problem.

    Other than that, listen to what everyone else has already said. There is no secret or magic to losing belly fat. It's just calorie deficit + time. You can create that calorie deficit via diet alone, exercise alone, or a combination of the two. Simple!
  • [As for the water retention... how are your sodium and potassium levels?


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    I am well below my %DV of sodium daily, usually several hundred milligrams below, the potassium I am not sure. I take a vitamin to help me with that, but I am basing it off of using the app to calculate my levels, I haven't been tested.

    Also, I went to a different website to find my BMR, which they said is 1349. Can you help me understand how increasing my calorie intake to net 1568 like the site suggested will help me lose weight? How can I consume more calories than I am now and not gain weight?

    I am a total newbie when it comes to knowing this stuff and understanding what it means, sorry to be a pain.
  • It's not just on the elliptical that my toes and feet go numb. If I stand too long or walk it will as well. I will try wearing open shoes though, anything that might work is worth trying! I've given up on the elliptical because of the numbness.

    I also tried wearing a wrap on my belly to help me lose more water weight, and when I do that the sweat pours off of my midsection. Without it my skin barely even gets damp.
  • One other thing my trainer recommended one time - just to mix things up a bit - is to do the elliptical with a backward motion. I don't mean turn around on the machine, I just mean move your legs in the opposite direction. It takes a good amount of the pressure off your toes and works your muscles a bit differently. I find it to be much more challenging, too. I don't typically do it for long periods at a time, but it's nice to mix it up.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    As for the water retention... how are your sodium and potassium levels?

    I am well below my %DV of sodium daily, usually several hundred milligrams below, the potassium I am not sure. I take a vitamin to help me with that, but I am basing it off of using the app to calculate my levels, I haven't been tested.

    Also, I went to a different website to find my BMR, which they said is 1349. Can you help me understand how increasing my calorie intake to net 1568 like the site suggested will help me lose weight? How can I consume more calories than I am now and not gain weight?

    I am a total newbie when it comes to knowing this stuff and understanding what it means, sorry to be a pain.

    Your body needs fats, carbs and protein for all kinds of things... hormone production/regulation, energy production, muscle support, etc. If you don't give your body what it needs to do those things, bad things will happen. That's why people say to eat more.

    The flip side is more obvious... if you eat too much you'll gain weight. If you give your body more cals than it needs, it'll store the excess. I probably don't need to explain that any further.

    The trick to all this is finding that happy medium. Sure, 500 cals a day is probably bad. 5000 cals a day is probably bad too. But there's a whole lot in the middle. Where should you be? That's the million dollar question.

    As a starting point, use the calculators to estimate your BMR and your TDEE (total daily energy expenditure - how many cals you burn in total each day). Set your daily calorie goal between those 2 numbers, hit that number for a month and see what happens. After the month is over you can tweak things if you need to.
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    It's not just on the elliptical that my toes and feet go numb. If I stand too long or walk it will as well. I will try wearing open shoes though, anything that might work is worth trying! I've given up on the elliptical because of the numbness.

    I also tried wearing a wrap on my belly to help me lose more water weight, and when I do that the sweat pours off of my midsection. Without it my skin barely even gets damp.

    Don't use those wraps, they are pointless and useless. Losing water weight has no purpose, you'll gain it back the second you take a drink of water. You want to lose fat, not water.
  • Thank you for all of the insight! Didn't mean to sound grumpy earlier, just needed a little more advice than eat less :laugh:
  • elizawe
    elizawe Posts: 54 Member
    I haven't read through all the other posts so I may repeat something. Sorry in advance if I do. I also have spinal stenosis, scolosis, two herniated disks, and a complete collapse of part of my spine. He won't even discuss surgical options with me even though I have so much difficulty moving, bending down, sleeping, etc. If that weren't enough, I have osteoarthritis in my hips bilaterally that will require quarterly steriod injections. Apparently, my doctor thinks I'm too young for any surgery at this pint. Anyway, I spin for cardio. Have you ever tried a spinning class? If you learn to set your bike up correctly, the bike is great because your spine stays straight and your hips are level. I used to love the elliptical but can't do it anymore. The elliptical causes an unevenness in your spine with the up and down motion and I always paid dearly the next day. It's not worth it. Listen to your body because you want to avoid further injury.

    With a bad back, one of the main things you have to do is have a strong core. You need gentle core exercises. I would recommend going to see the PT associated with your orthopedic spine surgeon and get educated on the best types of exercises for you. For example, with my back issues, I can't do any spinal twisting, but front and side planks are great for me. The dead bug is also great! You'lll have to google it as I don't know if I can describe it. I know it would be good for you as well. The key is making sure your low spine never lefts up off the floor.

    Lastly, I would recommend the pool. Sometimes to ease the pressure on my low back, I will place a pull bouy between my inner thighs. Swimming is excellent cardio as well.

    Have you had any epidural spine injections? They relieve the inflammation and take pressure off the nerve, which may help with your numbness.

    What I do know is that movement is key so keep it up as much as possible even if you have to take short walks several times a day.

    I know how hard it is to be compromised when you want to be active. Express gratitude and give thanks for all that you can do because it could be worse. I have to remind myself of that everyday.
  • fittocycle
    fittocycle Posts: 827 Member
    I have a couple compressed disks in my lumbar spinal area. I also have scoliosis. There have been times when I've had tingling in my big toe and foot, which I take as a sign to ice my back and give workouts a rest for a day or two.

    Most of the time, I do spin classes, which are excellent cardio workouts and the elliptical. For me, deadlifts (with proper form) help strengthen my back. I also do some gentle yoga and some other strength training.

    Have you tried a floor pilates class? You could always speak to the instructor before class begins and let her know of your injuries.

    Whatever you do, don't give up. If anything causes you pain or numbness, then stop. No sense irritating the injury.
    Also, one thing that has really helped my back is stretching. If my hamstrings get tight, it will trigger back issues for me. And ice seems to help me whenever things act up as well.
    Good luck to you!:flowerforyou:
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    Are your meds making you retain water ? Or not sweat ? I was on topomax and had all that as well as the numb feet. Try 5mins on elliptical & 5mins lifting some weights . It helped me ! Good luck to you !
  • elizawe
    elizawe Posts: 54 Member

    Whatever you do, don't give up. If anything causes you pain or numbness, then stop. No sense irritating the injury.
    Also, one thing that has really helped my back is stretching. If my hamstrings get tight, it will trigger back issues for me. And ice seems to help me whenever things act up as well.
    Good luck to you!:flowerforyou:

    I was coming back to tell you to stretch your hamstrings but looks like it's been taken care of. My ortho has told me to stretch my hamstrings for two minutes each side every day. It really does make a difference.