Can someone clear the confusion?

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  • Chipmaniac
    Chipmaniac Posts: 642 Member
    I've lost over 100lbs in the last year, but I still need to lose another 100. My general doctor tells me to just focus on cardio because I have a substantial amount of fat to still lose, whereas on this site and many others I've heard to add strength training in there as well. Which is correct?I had a strength training routine set up 2 days a week for a couple of month, but honestly quit because I didn't see any improvement in my fitness or weight. The only change was I was constantly hungry! I have no clue where to start with a weight routine. Can anyone help?
    I would recommend that you do both. That said, weight training is not a good way to lose 100 pounds, but you want to maintain muscle mass as you lose the weight.

    People who say weight training is a good way to lose weight have trouble with arithmetic. Consider this:

    -Additional muscle mass increases your BMI
    -You can't build muscle mass on a calorie deficit
    -You need a calorie deficit in order to lose fat

    It doesn't take a genius to understand given these facts that though you can increase your BMI with increased muscle mass, you will have to eat over your TDEE in order to gain that muscle mass. You won't be losing any fat during this period. In fact, you will likely gain fat along with the muscle. This is exactly why bodybuilders build muscle (and fat) and then go on a diet to lose the fat before a competition.

    The best you can hope to do is create a calorie deficit through a combination of diet and cardio exercise, and do strength training to make sure that when you lose those 100 pounds of fat, you look firm and not saggy. Strength training alone isn't going to do much. It's the deficit that determines whether you lose fat or not.
  • Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat it raw.
  • mandy_lee86
    mandy_lee86 Posts: 103 Member
    Thanks again everyone. :). It has been extremely hard starting off form 395 lbs, but I'm getting there. I guess the best thing for me to do it to start some beginner weight training. Are machines ok, or should I do free weights?

    Somtimes you don't need machines or anything except for your body. My personal trainers incorporate a lot of routines using your own body weight. But, we do use the machines a lot also.
  • needamulligan
    needamulligan Posts: 558 Member
    Thanks for the replies. I think the main reason why I haven't stuck wth weight training is because it's so intiidating. Do I use machines, free weights, simple movements, compound movements? UGH. Confusing

    I know what you mean. I just decided to try lifting some weights because I'm afraid of losing muscle along the way and I'm hoping it helps control the potential loose skin after weight loss. My VERY limited experience seems to indicate some positive results. I am doing both cardio and some weight lifting. Do you think that you can lift weights more than 2 days/week? I bet you would start to feel results quickly that would encourage you to continue.
  • Chipmaniac
    Chipmaniac Posts: 642 Member
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.
  • lizziebeth1028
    lizziebeth1028 Posts: 3,602 Member
    I believe that both cardio and strength are important for a well rounded fitness regime. And it's never to soon to start strength training!!! It's a win win situation!!!
  • Copaiba
    Copaiba Posts: 75 Member
    What you've done so far is AWESOME!!!
    I'd take your Doctors advice as cautionary. The last time I lost a bunch of weight, I was in my 30's and it was 60 pounds. I did it all by weight lifting, walking and following the nutrition advice of my personal trainer, who was terrific. It was a healthy diet. My Doctor didn't do crap for me. When I was tired and sick, he insisted I needed anti-depressants which only screwed me up more. I hope your Doc is better.
    This time, 10 years later, I'm doing the plant based diet, a lot of gentle yoga, walking on the treadmill, riding my bike and weightlifting. I've lost 30 and have another 30 to go. I went off the anti depressants 2 months after starting this diet and haven't had any need for them since.
    PAY A TRAINER to help you! Even just 2 or 3 sessions to get a customized and doable routine that you can enjoy and feel good about. I've always enjoyed working with women more than men because I've found them to be more flexible and compassionate and less self important. I generalize because that's been my experience. Watch the trainers at your gym to see who you think looks most knowledgeable and who will be least objectionable ;-)
    Weightlifting doesn't have to be so hard that it hurts; it can be a cardio workout in itself - just using other muscles than your legs!
    Listen to your body. Push it only as far as you think is appropriate - NEVER do an exercise that causes you pain.
    And for God's sake, don't worry about gaining muscle mass. You wont gain any bulky muscle while you stick to your diet, you'll just be toning and maintaining. And those muscles will get stronger without gaining size.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.

    You can gain muscle mass if the deficit is small. I use the guideline of 300 calories below TDEE. You cannot gain muscle mass in deep deficits. You HAVE to eat above BMR!
  • Chipmaniac
    Chipmaniac Posts: 642 Member
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.

    You can gain muscle mass if the deficit is small. I use the guideline of 300 calories below TDEE. You cannot gain muscle mass in deep deficits. You HAVE to eat above BMR!
    Not according to Broscientists on here.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    Just saying, your doctor is a doctor and probably 80% of the people on here are not. Do what your doctor says. Focus on your cardio, and throw in some resistance training. Even if it's not lifting heavy, just something to keep your body toned. Since it's a substantial amount of weight you're aiming to lose strength/resistance will help the elasticity. Good luck! Feel free to add me if you want!

    Because most Dr's know very little about nutrition, especially if they are older. I bet if she went to a dietitian or nutritionist (aka a specialist) they would advise here to weight train. It alredy has been proven by studies that WT maintains muscle and your metabolic rate. And muscle is what makes you lean and tight. The picture on the left is what happens when you do alot of cardio, on the right weight training.


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/392784-skinny-fat-vs-fit-photo?hl=skinny+fat
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.

    You can gain muscle mass if the deficit is small. I use the guideline of 300 calories below TDEE. You cannot gain muscle mass in deep deficits. You HAVE to eat above BMR!
    Not according to Broscientists on here.


    There are only 3 situations where you can gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit

    1. You are morbidly obese
    2. Noob gains (usually less than 5 lbs of new lean body mass)
    3. Elite athletes in their lower bodies with a minimal calorie deficit (20% less than TDEE).


    Either way, it's highly unlike to gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit. Unfortunately, too many people assume strength gains and more definition means new muscle. It's simply not true. Deficit = catabolic state, Surplus = anabolic state. Your body needs an anabolic state to create new lean body mass.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.

    You can gain muscle mass if the deficit is small. I use the guideline of 300 calories below TDEE. You cannot gain muscle mass in deep deficits. You HAVE to eat above BMR!
    Not according to Broscientists on here.


    There are only 3 situations where you can gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit

    1. You are morbidly obese
    2. Noob gains (usually less than 5 lbs of new lean body mass)
    3. Elite athletes in their lower bodies with a minimal calorie deficit (20% less than TDEE).


    Either way, it's highly unlike to gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit. Unfortunately, too many people assume strength gains and more definition means new muscle. It's simply not true. Deficit = catabolic state, Surplus = anabolic state. Your body needs an anabolic state to create new lean body mass.

    No offense to the OP, but if she still has more than 100 lbs to lose, then she IS morbidly obese.
  • Strength training should be used by all that are able. Cardio pulmonary fitness is essential for fitness but body strength is what carries your bones around, provides for skeletal structure, increases bone mass (especially important to women), and provides the engine of fat loss. I am not suggesting that if you are under a doctor's care that you don't listen but to eliminate strength training is just prolonging your goal achievement. I average two pounds per week of weight loss and my blood pressure has dropped two points per week. I do this through cardio and weight training. Eat good food to provide your body with the fuel to increase and repair muscle and don't worry about the weight scales.
  • Bob314159
    Bob314159 Posts: 1,178 Member
    Weights are important - not really for weight loss, but to strengthen the muscles and avoid injury. They also, I'm hoping, will reduce the chance of ending up with hanging skin folds.

    You do not need a gym, and free weights are better. I use kettlebells at home, I do not have the time or money to waste on a gym

    It would be good to get a trainer to make sure you have the right style and avoid injury and twisted ligaments. Stretching afterwards is also important,
  • Machines are good to isolate muscles if you do not have experience with free weights. If need be, find a certified weight training specialist who knows how to teach you to lift regardless if you are using machines or free weights. Free weights are good for isolating muscles but you have to know how to do this without causing injury which is very easy to do. Using your own body weight to do strength training is another alternative to start. There is no reason to be intimidated by weights. Think of it this way, you walk around on your legs every day carrying your body weight, using machines and free weights in using something besides your legs. Most important, be patient with yourself and throw the stupid weight scales in the closet and only weigh yourself once a month. One day at a time, one meal at a time, one exercise at a time, one step at a time.
  • manifesto11
    manifesto11 Posts: 4 Member
    Instead of focusing on weight, maybe focus on health. I used to hate it when I would do free weights and the number on the scale would tell me I gained weight or stayed the same. It made me feel like I was slacking off for the week. So the next few weeks I would do all cardio and see the scale reflect my efforts. But that progress isn't the whole story. When you do cardio, your body is going to burn muscle before it burns fat. A drop in muscle mass decreases your metabolism. The opposite is also true. If you add weight training to your routine, your body will burn more fat and you will have to do less to stoke that fire. I believe doing both is important. Maybe keeping track of % of muscle and fat would be a good tool for you.
  • Copaiba
    Copaiba Posts: 75 Member
    Only body builders care about gaining muscle mass. Be kind to yourself and have fun. And dont be intimidated. This is your world and your life, not theirs (or ours ;-))
  • kazzsjourney
    kazzsjourney Posts: 674 Member
    I have lost 180+ pounds so far....I would still go with mostly cardio but do one weight session per week at least but I personally would focus on the cardio as well.
  • djsupreme6
    djsupreme6 Posts: 1,210 Member
    I do weight train and love it...however I also mix in the cardio...I don't always do that at the gym either as there are full bodyweight workouts that can be done wherever and...are cardio infused
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    Only body builders care about gaining muscle mass. Be kind to yourself and have fun. And dont be intimidated. This is your world and your life, not theirs (or ours ;-))


    No offense, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Many people care about increasing lean body mass that are not body builds. This is very true for those how hit a weight goal, find out they have high body fat and little muscle and can not cut enough fat to get definition. . I have also worked with women post ED that wanted to gain their muscle back to increase their metabolic rates. This is a fitness forum, many of us care about increasing lbm just as much as cutting fat.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.

    You can gain muscle mass if the deficit is small. I use the guideline of 300 calories below TDEE. You cannot gain muscle mass in deep deficits. You HAVE to eat above BMR!
    Not according to Broscientists on here.


    There are only 3 situations where you can gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit

    1. You are morbidly obese
    2. Noob gains (usually less than 5 lbs of new lean body mass)
    3. Elite athletes in their lower bodies with a minimal calorie deficit (20% less than TDEE).


    Either way, it's highly unlike to gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit. Unfortunately, too many people assume strength gains and more definition means new muscle. It's simply not true. Deficit = catabolic state, Surplus = anabolic state. Your body needs an anabolic state to create new lean body mass.

    No offense to the OP, but if she still has more than 100 lbs to lose, then she IS morbidly obese.

    Even if she started a significant heavy weight training routine, as a women, it is harder to create new lean body mass. More than likely, she will get some noob gains at first, but the cardio will end up negating a lot of it. If she tracks her lean body mass, I would be surprised if she would gain more than 3-5 lbs of muscle over her next year.
  • Hendrix7
    Hendrix7 Posts: 1,903 Member
    Only body builders care about gaining muscle mass.

    No no no no no no no no no.

    Want to look your best after losing weight? You should care about muscle mass.
  • Graceious1
    Graceious1 Posts: 716 Member
    I say mix it up. I do both strength training and cardio because as you lose weight you want to tone as well to stop sagging skin.
  • Chipmaniac
    Chipmaniac Posts: 642 Member
    Cardio is only half the solution, weight training or resistance training increases muscle mass which weighs more but is the engine of weight loss. Muscle burns fat all the time and is essential to fitness. Increase your weight lifting to every other day so you can heal on the off days. The reason weight lifting makes you hungry is this: it is raising your metabolism which is a really good thing to do. Secondly, eat six meals a day that are nutritionally balanced with a 2:1:1 ratio of carbs,fats,and protein in that order and this will keep your blood sugar level during the day and provide fuel to your body. I would also suggest using Dr. Udo's Essential Fatty acids food supplement which is Omega 3-6-9. This will provide you with an absolutely essential aspect of good eating and this can be added to your foods. It is an oil so don't let that bother you, and next don't cook it. Eat is raw.
    You can't gain muscle mass on a deficit and a deficit is required to lose fat, so that's not a good solution.

    You can gain muscle mass if the deficit is small. I use the guideline of 300 calories below TDEE. You cannot gain muscle mass in deep deficits. You HAVE to eat above BMR!
    Not according to Broscientists on here.


    There are only 3 situations where you can gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit

    1. You are morbidly obese
    2. Noob gains (usually less than 5 lbs of new lean body mass)
    3. Elite athletes in their lower bodies with a minimal calorie deficit (20% less than TDEE).


    Either way, it's highly unlike to gain new lean body mass on a calorie deficit. Unfortunately, too many people assume strength gains and more definition means new muscle. It's simply not true. Deficit = catabolic state, Surplus = anabolic state. Your body needs an anabolic state to create new lean body mass.
    OK. You make my point. Since she can't appreciably increase her muscle mass on a deficit, she can't rely on increased muscle mass to help her burn the 100 pounds of fat she has left. Thus, weight lifting is great for strength and maintaining muscle mass but it will do very little to burn off the 100 pounds of fat unless a deficit is created.