Is a carb calorie the same as a protein calorie?

I was looking at this article http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/27/calorie-vs-calorie-study-evaluates-three-diets-for-staying-slim/ and assuming that they are referring to a 2300 calorie a day diet, I can calculate that a gram of carbs is closer to 6 calories instead of the typically assumed 4 in its affect on the body. I went back and recalculated my calorie intake based upon this assumption and found it matches the weight loss I have experienced (1.4 lbs vs 2 lbs/week) .

Does anyone know of a way to change MFP so it uses 6 calories/gram for carbs?
-mu

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  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    MFP doesn't calculate any calories based on the number of carbohydrates. The calorie information field lives on its own. You would have to create your own database items (And please, don't make them public.)
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I was looking at this article http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/27/calorie-vs-calorie-study-evaluates-three-diets-for-staying-slim/ and assuming that they are referring to a 2300 calorie a day diet, I can calculate that a gram of carbs is closer to 6 calories instead of the typically assumed 4 in its affect on the body. I went back and recalculated my calorie intake based upon this assumption and found it matches the weight loss I have experienced (1.4 lbs vs 2 lbs/week) .

    Does anyone know of a way to change MFP so it uses 6 calories/gram for carbs?
    -mu

    Thermic effect of food already accounts for the differences in net energy value once you factor in digestion. This is done on the energy-out side of the equation, not energy-in.

    I wouldn't bother making this change.

    EDIT: After re-reading this, it looks like I might be misunderstanding you.

    Can you clarify where you are getting 6cal/g as a more accurate estimate?

  • Thermic effect of food already accounts for the differences in net energy value once you factor in digestion. This is done on the energy-out side of the equation, not energy-in.

    I wouldn't bother making this change.

    EDIT: After re-reading this, it looks like I might be misunderstanding you.

    Can you clarify where you are getting 6cal/g as a more accurate estimate?

    The article reports on 3 equal calorie diets one with 60% carbs, one with 40% carbs, and one with 10% carbs. The one with 40% carbs showed weight loss equivalent to 150 calories a day, and the 10% one with 325 calories. If I assume they are using a 2300 calorie a day diet, then that works out to 1380, 920, 230 carb calories respectively. Subtracting 1380-920=460 and 1380-230=1150 and then adding in the net calorie difference 460+150=610 and 1150+325=1475. Finally dividing actual/expected 610/460=1.32 and 1475/1150=1.28 taking the average results in a ratio of 1.30. multiplying this by the 4 calorie/gram and you get 5.22 calories/gram actual carb effect. If you change the assumption to 1800 a calorie diet it results in 5.56 calories/gram. Obviously this doesn't take into account possible other effects from the other changes in protein and fat. But I think this is a more accurate starting point than 4/gram. Especially given the quantity of literature suggesting there is something weird going on with how the body processes carbs, this is the first study I have seen that quantifies it.

    In looking at my own diet, MFP predicted I would loose 2lbs/week. Instead I have been loosing 1.4lbs/week. When I recalculated my own diet with this new number for carbs the 1.4lbs/week makes sense.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member

    Thermic effect of food already accounts for the differences in net energy value once you factor in digestion. This is done on the energy-out side of the equation, not energy-in.

    I wouldn't bother making this change.

    EDIT: After re-reading this, it looks like I might be misunderstanding you.

    Can you clarify where you are getting 6cal/g as a more accurate estimate?

    The article reports on 3 equal calorie diets one with 60% carbs, one with 40% carbs, and one with 10% carbs. The one with 40% carbs showed weight loss equivalent to 150 calories a day, and the 10% one with 325 calories. If I assume they are using a 2300 calorie a day diet, then that works out to 1380, 920, 230 carb calories respectively. Subtracting 1380-920=460 and 1380-230=1150 and then adding in the net calorie difference 460+150=610 and 1150+325=1475. Finally dividing actual/expected 610/460=1.32 and 1475/1150=1.28 taking the average results in a ratio of 1.30. multiplying this by the 4 calorie/gram and you get 5.22 calories/gram actual carb effect. If you change the assumption to 1800 a calorie diet it results in 5.56 calories/gram. Obviously this doesn't take into account possible other effects from the other changes in protein and fat. But I think this is a more accurate starting point than 4/gram. Especially given the quantity of literature suggesting there is something weird going on with how the body processes carbs, this is the first study I have seen that quantifies it.

    In looking at my own diet, MFP predicted I would loose 2lbs/week. Instead I have been loosing 1.4lbs/week. When I recalculated my own diet with this new number for carbs the 1.4lbs/week makes sense.

    I wouldn't do this. As you mention above, this makes no mention about the fact that fat and protein are changing as carbs change so you're not going to create an accurate model.

    4kcal/g is accurate as far as energy-in. Energy-out changes based on TEF and that differs for each macronutrient.
  • 4kcal/g is accurate as far as energy-in. Energy-out changes based on TEF and that differs for each macronutrient.

    Granted, and it would require further study to tease out the exact effect of the other macronutrients are. However if the effect of eating 1 gram of carbs is not 4kcal of weight gain but instead is a higher number then we should consider that when making weight loss assumptions. We know from other studies that high glycemic index foods cause an increase in insulin which causes fat cells to take up the sugar. And that high carb diets can make the body think its starving causing a decrease in metabolism. If the result of eating 1 gram of carbs is a 1.5kcal decrease in metabolism then we should take that into account. I think it is safe to assume that the effect is greater than 4kcal/g.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    4kcal/g is accurate as far as energy-in. Energy-out changes based on TEF and that differs for each macronutrient.

    Granted, and it would require further study to tease out the exact effect of the other macronutrients are. However if the effect of eating 1 gram of carbs is not 4kcal of weight gain but instead is a higher number then we should consider that when making weight loss assumptions.

    Except it's not higher, it's lower if you are factoring in TEF.
    We know from other studies that high glycemic index foods cause an increase in insulin which causes fat cells to take up the sugar. And that high carb diets can make the body think its starving causing a decrease in metabolism. If the result of eating 1 gram of carbs is a 1.5kcal decrease in metabolism then we should take that into account. I think it is safe to assume that the effect is greater than 4kcal/g.

    I think you are over-complicating things to the point of making dangerous assumptions about enegy values.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
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  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I was looking at this article http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/27/calorie-vs-calorie-study-evaluates-three-diets-for-staying-slim/ and assuming that they are referring to a 2300 calorie a day diet, I can calculate that a gram of carbs is closer to 6 calories instead of the typically assumed 4 in its affect on the body. I went back and recalculated my calorie intake based upon this assumption and found it matches the weight loss I have experienced (1.4 lbs vs 2 lbs/week) .

    Does anyone know of a way to change MFP so it uses 6 calories/gram for carbs?
    -mu

    I would suggest you read the full study, pay particular attention to the results and also take a peek at the bw changes between all the diets, and draw your own conclusions
  • Carb calories and protein calories? A calorie is a unit of the measurement of energy. Calories make up both carbohydrate and protein molecules. Both have four calories per gram. Fat, on the other hand, contains nine calories per gram.

    That's as simple as it gets. No need to overcomplicate things.
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    Carbs from different sources can have different calorie counts per gram

    Same with protein and fat. But 4kcal/g (carb and protein) 9kcal/g are good averages/estimates to use
  • trixiemou
    trixiemou Posts: 554 Member
    Sorry folks but all I am hearing is blah, blah, blah. I did try!:ohwell:
  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
    Your calculations lack validity until you can tell me your exact calorie expenditure.

    On a related note, does a cup of milk have 7.8 or 8.3g of protein?
  • BeeElMarvin
    BeeElMarvin Posts: 2,086 Member
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  • A calorie is the unit of energy that it takes to raise the temperature of one liter of pure water by one degree celcius. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie.
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    A calorie is the unit of energy that it takes to raise the temperature of one liter of pure water by one degree celcius. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie.

    Yes but if you read the question he is asking number of calories per carb and protein
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
    If I *assume*

    I found the problem....
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I went back and recalculated my calorie intake based upon this assumption and found it matches the weight loss I have experienced (1.4 lbs vs 2 lbs/week) .

    Does anyone know of a way to change MFP so it uses 6 calories/gram for carbs?
    -mu

    Just to comment a bit further on my previous statement about over-complicating things, so that I don't come across as dismissive of your question:

    While energy balance is valid, it's a gigantic estimation. Each macronutrient has a different thermic effect and more importantly, you're making estimations on your total intake AND estimations on your total calorie expenditure through activity, BMR, TEF, NEAT.

    Saying that your results of 1.4lb lost vs your expectation of 2lb lost, are confirmed or accounted for by a difference in energy-in for one macronutrient, is a big leap in logic. You could have a much greater degree of error that could all be accounted for in water weight, for example.

    That's really what I was getting at when I said overcomplicating things.
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    I went back and recalculated my calorie intake based upon this assumption and found it matches the weight loss I have experienced (1.4 lbs vs 2 lbs/week) .

    Does anyone know of a way to change MFP so it uses 6 calories/gram for carbs?
    -mu

    Just to comment a bit further on my previous statement about over-complicating things, so that I don't come across as dismissive of your question:

    While energy balance is valid, it's a gigantic estimation. Each macronutrient has a different thermic effect and more importantly, you're making estimations on your total intake AND estimations on your total calorie expenditure through activity, BMR, TEF, NEAT.

    Saying that your results of 1.4lb lost vs your expectation of 2lb lost, are confirmed or accounted for by a difference in energy-in for one macronutrient, is a big leap in logic. You could have a much greater degree of error that could all be accounted for in water weight, for example.

    That's really what I was getting at when I said overcomplicating things.

    And to top it off your scale has a tolerance which is probably wider than you'd expect

    Plus how much did you lose from fat/LBM? How much was water? Feces? etc etc
  • Timehope
    Timehope Posts: 44 Member
    According to Gay Tabes ("Why We Get Fat")' and Phinney & Volek ("Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living")' a calorie is not necessarily a calorie. In other words there are individual variations in glucose metabolism. One person can eat a gram of carb and burn all 4 calories as energy -- and another person ( with some insulin resistance) can eat the same gram of carb and immediately store a certain percentage of it as fat. So you are absolutely correct that your results may differ.

    But the actual number of kilocalories in a gram of carb -- as proved by burning it in an oven-- has been determined to be 4, no ifs ands or buts about it