This opened up my eyes today . . .

dragonfly74
dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member
edited September 20 in Health and Weight Loss
after being stuck at the same weight for weeks and weeks I needed to do some research.

Guess I haven't been eating enough. This site has been a wonderful tool to me this morning. Even will give you meal ideas. I for the first time calculated my RMR and found out I need to consume at least 1326 calories a day. I haven't been doing this. My body needs 1724 calories to maintain it's weight (went to the cyberkitchen part of the site to determine this). So now I will be eating 1326 calories a day for a 398 calories a day deficit that WILL NOT put me below my calculated RMR. This I will try to burn off the rest with exercise ~ about 400 calories a day. So all in all a deficit of 798 calories a day x 6 days a week = 4788 calories for the week. Since 3500 calories is needed for a pound I should lose around 1.5 lbs per week.

Oh I hope this works!

This site has definitely opened my eyes.

http://www.shapeup.org/atmstd/sud10v3/sud10s7.php
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  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
    Just to add to your information overload...

    I see from your ticker that you're very close to your goal weight. Please consider a less aggressive per week weight loss goal.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/61706-guide-to-calorie-deficits?hl=calorie+deficits

    Here's a thread that explains why very well.:flowerforyou:
  • AmberMommyTo2G1B
    AmberMommyTo2G1B Posts: 44 Member
    I'm a little confused by this... The rmr is that the amount you should be taking in? What exactly does this number stand for? What number that mfp gives you is represented on that site? I'm so confused :(


    Ok I went back and looked at your post. So it says I should consume about 100 more calories then mfp has me calculated at for my rmr... should I actually trust this site?
  • Your resting metabolic rate is what your body requires to sustain itself at a rest so while either sitting or sleeping, what will happen is if you consume less calories than what your body requires at rest your metabolism will slow in order to only require what calories you are consuming which prevents weight loss from occuring. However, if you consume at minimum your RMR calorie needs and then burn additional calories from exercise that is ok because your body still has the feul to sustain itself and the energy you are using to exercise is coming from your bodies fat stores. The take home message is you should not consume less calories than what your RMR is, your body is a smart machine and will do whatever it can to sustain life (and that includes the life of your fat cells!!!)
  • And yes the site is legit, I have my bachelors degree in dietetics, what the site says is supported clinical research and is run by the surgeon general.
  • AmberMommyTo2G1B
    AmberMommyTo2G1B Posts: 44 Member
    Thank you :) I guess I'm a bit dense today sorry. Would you suggest upping my icalorie ntake to the number the site advises I take in or keep it at the lower number?
  • dragonfly74
    dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member
    Ahaverland ~ thanks for putting it in plain english ~ it definitely can be confusing. I was getting in my exercise at the time and couldn't reply so a big thank you! :flowerforyou:

    AmberMommyTo2 ~ I would think about increasing your calories if you have hit a plateau like I have. If what you are doing currently isn't affecting your weight loss I would stick with it.

    viviak ~ My starting weight that I have on here is my weight right after having my third child. I dropped to 150 really without much work. I have worked at getting this last 15 lbs off for months and months. I have changed things up so many times I am tired. Right now I am set up to only lose .9 lbs a week and I really don't want to lose less than that. I should be able to pull that off. I have been on Jenny Craig for 6 weeks and only lost a grand total of 2.5 lbs in that time and they had me at 1200 calories. Definitely not enough with the amount of exercise I am doing.

    I will get this weight off!!! I have to and I hope increasing my calories is the answer as this site suggests.

    Thanks again everyone and keep at it!
  • rjadams
    rjadams Posts: 4,029 Member
    So i just compared this sites calculation against the one here on MFP. MFP says my BMR is 1433 and the site you found says 1429. pretty close.
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
    Ahaverland ~ thanks for putting it in plain english ~ it definitely can be confusing. I was getting in my exercise at the time and couldn't reply so a big thank you! :flowerforyou:

    AmberMommyTo2 ~ I would think about increasing your calories if you have hit a plateau like I have. If what you are doing currently isn't affecting your weight loss I would stick with it.

    viviak ~ My starting weight that I have on here is my weight right after having my third child. I dropped to 150 really without much work. I have worked at getting this last 15 lbs off for months and months. I have changed things up so many times I am tired. Right now I am set up to only lose .9 lbs a week and I really don't want to lose less than that. I should be able to pull that off. I have been on Jenny Craig for 6 weeks and only lost a grand total of 2.5 lbs in that time and they had me at 1200 calories. Definitely not enough with the amount of exercise I am doing.

    I will get this weight off!!! I have to and I hope increasing my calories is the answer as this site suggests.

    Thanks again everyone and keep at it!

    yes, but my confusion/concern lies in that according to your OP, you're creating a deficit through calorie restricting, and then increasing your deficit more through exercise. Maybe I mis-read it? With only 16 pounds left to lose, creating a larger deficit will hinder, not help your weight loss efforts. When you're that close to goal weight, weight loss slows. Sad but true. When we're close to a healthy weight, our body tries to maintain homeostasis, and the "sweet spot" of deficit becomes smaller.

    sorry to harp on this, hth.
  • TnTHawkins
    TnTHawkins Posts: 285 Member
    after being stuck at the same weight for weeks and weeks I needed to do some research.

    Guess I haven't been eating enough. This site has been a wonderful tool to me this morning. Even will give you meal ideas. I for the first time calculated my RMR and found out I need to consume at least 1326 calories a day. I haven't been doing this. My body needs 1724 calories to maintain it's weight (went to the cyberkitchen part of the site to determine this). So now I will be eating 1326 calories a day for a 398 calories a day deficit that WILL NOT put me below my calculated RMR. This I will try to burn off the rest with exercise ~ about 400 calories a day. So all in all a deficit of 798 calories a day x 6 days a week = 4788 calories for the week. Since 3500 calories is needed for a pound I should lose around 1.5 lbs per week.

    Oh I hope this works!

    This site has definitely opened my eyes.

    http://www.shapeup.org/atmstd/sud10v3/sud10s7.php

    Thank you. Great site with a wealth of information.
  • Laceylala
    Laceylala Posts: 3,094 Member
    SO...my rmr is 1651. If I eat 1651 cals a day, then go and burn 600 at the gym that night, I need to eat those 600 cals back, right?

    I think I am not eating enough calories still....this week's diary is a good example at least.

    1651-600=1051 I know for a fact that is WAY too low. Can I eat half of the exercise cals back or do I really need to eat the whole 600? (as an example)


    Would love for someone to take a look at my diary (its public) and tell me what you think about this at least. I am asking, so I won't take offense if I hear something I don't like! I've really tried this week to eat super well and work out well, so this week is a good example of how I'd like to live my life forever..
    Thanks!
    L
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
    SO...my rmr is 1651. If I eat 1651 cals a day, then go and burn 600 at the gym that night, I need to eat those 600 cals back, right?

    I think I am not eating enough calories still....this week's diary is a good example at least.

    1651-600=1051 I know for a fact that is WAY too low. Can I eat half of the exercise cals back or do I really need to eat the whole 600? (as an example)


    Would love for someone to take a look at my diary (its public) and tell me what you think about this at least. I am asking, so I won't take offense if I hear something I don't like! I've really tried this week to eat super well and work out well, so this week is a good example of how I'd like to live my life forever..
    Thanks!
    L

    I took a look at the food diary, and it looks pretty good to me.

    The only suggestion I would make is to consider your intake of sugar. For myself, I try to avoid anything sweetened with refined sugar. Also, to bump up your calories, a handful of nuts (providing you're not allergic) would do the trick.

    What I do is at the end of a week, I total my calories for the week, and then calculate a per-day average. I was concerned for a long time that I was under/over my calories. What I've noticed by this method is that my body seems to know how to even itself out. So, for example, if I'm four calories under goal on one day, I might go over a few days later, so my daily calorie average levels out.

    So many factors effect our bodies needs on a given day. Some days you're just plain hungrier or less hungry.

    HTH.

    Is that your BMR according to the calculator here?
  • Laceylala
    Laceylala Posts: 3,094 Member
    I just started looking at sugars again and am going to probably start cutting out next week.

    My bmr on MFP is like 8 calories under what this other site said, so that was a good sign.
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
    I'm a big fan of eating at least your BMR calories, even factoring in exercise calories. Your weight loss might not be rapid, but it will last and you won't be hungry.

    IMHO, it's the one flaw in MFP's system that it defaults to the 1200 calorie minimum for everyone. I still :heart: MFP, though.
  • cfischer81
    cfischer81 Posts: 111 Member
    Ok, now I'm confused. It says that my BMR is 1,820 calories a day (or 1829 on the other site)...MFP has my intake set at 1640 cal. per day and actually "suggested" I lower it again now that I've lost some weight. Does this mean I should be eating more? I have still been consistantly losing weight at about 2 lbs a week for the last 5 weeks but there are certainly days I could eat more!

    Anyone?
  • cds2327
    cds2327 Posts: 439
    Ok, I am completely confused. It told me that my RMR is 1669, and I need to consume 1842 to stay where I am. Obviously I don't want to stay where I am.
    So what am i supposed to do.....eating 1669 calories is only a 173 defecit, and that won't amount to anything as far as weight loss.

    I'm probably missing something completely obvious, so any help would be very appreciated.
    I also though if I eat 1669 a day (defecit of 173) and then burn say 400 working out, then that would be a defecit of 573 (so over 3500 a week), but then doesn't the 573 defecit put me under how many calories i need??:huh:
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
    This is a more in-depth explanation.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/61706-guide-to-calorie-deficits?hl=guide+to+calorie+deficits

    What I'm not saying is that an important issue in eating at least your BMR is being close to an ideal weight.

    The higher your BMI, the larger your deficit can be. Essentially, your excess body fat stores can serve as a food source. (this is a non-scientific way to put it). When you start hit a healthy BMI/lower body fat percentage, those stores are gone, and you need to trick your body into dropping weight by hitting a deficit sweet spot.

    HTH.
  • Questfor250
    Questfor250 Posts: 155
    I don't want to rain on your parade but be a carful optimist. Why? My RMR is 2880. That is 2 calories per minute while I sleep Times 60 minutes Times 24 hours. I eat 2200 calories. I am struggling to get past 300. Numbers are numbers but your body will determine your success. All you can do is what is supposed to be right and let your body to the rest.
  • dragonfly74
    dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member

    yes, but my confusion/concern lies in that according to your OP, you're creating a deficit through calorie restricting, and then increasing your deficit more through exercise. Maybe I mis-read it? With only 16 pounds left to lose, creating a larger deficit will hinder, not help your weight loss efforts. When you're that close to goal weight, weight loss slows. Sad but true. When we're close to a healthy weight, our body tries to maintain homeostasis, and the "sweet spot" of deficit becomes smaller.

    sorry to harp on this, hth.

    I don't think I am explaining it very well. I WAS only eating 1200 and exercising A LOT. Now with this new calculation I am planning on eating MORE calories and exercising LESS. So I will be restricting my body less. I will not be creating a larger deficit, actually just the opposite. Thanks for your help and I appreciate your input.
  • Laceylala
    Laceylala Posts: 3,094 Member
    Well let me just say that I've been working out and eating less for 8 weeks and haven't lost anything. Yes, I've seen my body shape change but nothing in inches, etc. I know it takes time but having a numbers figure to work with helps me get going in the right direction when clearly I am getting to a point that something needs to change in one direction or another so my body gets going here.

    Thanks Viviakay for helping me!
  • dragonfly74
    dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member
    Ok, now I'm confused. It says that my BMR is 1,820 calories a day (or 1829 on the other site)...MFP has my intake set at 1640 cal. per day and actually "suggested" I lower it again now that I've lost some weight. Does this mean I should be eating more? I have still been consistantly losing weight at about 2 lbs a week for the last 5 weeks but there are certainly days I could eat more!

    Anyone?

    If what you are doing is working for you ~ and it looks like it is (congratulations)!!! I would stick with what you are doing. I have been at a plateau for weeks and obviously was doing something not right. So I need to change it up a bit. MFP has me at 1200 calories and this other site has me at 1326 so that is quite a bit of difference. We shall see what happens.

    Congrats on your continued weight loss!
  • dragonfly74
    dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member
    Ok, I am completely confused. It told me that my RMR is 1669, and I need to consume 1842 to stay where I am. Obviously I don't want to stay where I am.
    So what am i supposed to do.....eating 1669 calories is only a 173 defecit, and that won't amount to anything as far as weight loss.

    I'm probably missing something completely obvious, so any help would be very appreciated.
    I also though if I eat 1669 a day (defecit of 173) and then burn say 400 working out, then that would be a defecit of 573 (so over 3500 a week), but then doesn't the 573 defecit put me under how many calories i need??:huh:

    This helped me quite a bit and is from the same site the real info I believe you are looking for is in the last two sentences:

    How many calories do I have to restrict to lose one pound a week?

    The rule of thumb is to create an "energy deficit" of 3500 calories in order to lose one pound. If you spread that energy deficit over an entire week, that comes to a deficit of 500 calories per day. If you subtract 500 calories from your total daily calorie goal provided by the CyberKitchen and it restricts you below your RMR, you need to back off on your restriction. That is why you need to use the Shape Up America! Metabolism Calculator to know your RMR.

    What do I do to lose one pound per week without restricting calories below my RMR?

    If you still want to aim for a deficit of 500 calories per day, you can use an exercise strategy to boost your deficit. The rule of thumb is to walk one mile to burn 100 calories. So you can create a 500-calorie deficit by restricting your food intake by 250 calories and you can walk off the other 250 calories (by walking an extra two and a half miles per day - which is about 5000 steps). The beauty of this combined approach is that the restriction is milder plus you reap the health benefits of exercise as you lose weight.
  • dragonfly74
    dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member
    I don't want to rain on your parade but be a carful optimist. Why? My RMR is 2880. That is 2 calories per minute while I sleep Times 60 minutes Times 24 hours. I eat 2200 calories. I am struggling to get past 300. Numbers are numbers but your body will determine your success. All you can do is what is supposed to be right and let your body to the rest.

    I will send you a message. I came up with a different number for your RMR.
  • dragonfly74
    dragonfly74 Posts: 1,382 Member
    Well let me just say that I've been working out and eating less for 8 weeks and haven't lost anything. Yes, I've seen my body shape change but nothing in inches, etc. I know it takes time but having a numbers figure to work with helps me get going in the right direction when clearly I am getting to a point that something needs to change in one direction or another so my body gets going here.

    Thanks Viviakay for helping me!

    Quite the same for me. That is why I knew I needed some kind of change so I hope this helps me a bit. I won't be restricting myself nearly as much as I have been.
  • AmberMommyTo2G1B
    AmberMommyTo2G1B Posts: 44 Member
    Ok so once again lol the rmr is what they suggest you should be eating correct? I upped my calories to that because I to am at a plataeu. I am wondering though about how to figure out the defecit. Is that the number you get from cyberkitche- the rmr. I'm really very sorry and I'm sure this is all very easy but it really is taking me a while to figure this out.

    I will add I only am able to work out at the most 3-4 times one week and 2x's at the most the other (I do walk my dog for 30 minutes most days as well). I am just not sure how all this works. Thanks for your help in advance :)
  • Laceylala
    Laceylala Posts: 3,094 Member
    Amber - Eat your RMR number, and if you burn 200 calories (for example) working out, then eat at least half or all of them back and you got it.

    It took me ohhhh about 8 weeks to figure it out too, and I've read all the "sticky notes" over and over.
  • lwebsmfp
    lwebsmfp Posts: 297 Member
    Thanks for posting this information. I've been doing a ton of reading on MFP as well as other sites to understand all these numbers. I started out at 1200 calories a day and no exercise. I lost 2 pounds per week this way but I didn't feel good as I was constantly hungry and getting headaches. So, I bumped up my calories to 1350 in order to lose 1 pound a week as suggested by MFP and that includes the 500 deficit. My headaches have greatly reduced although I get an occasional one. I also started exercising and I try to do this 3 days a week for 30 minutes right now. I have not lost any additional weight since starting exercise. I am eating healthy, drinking water, and sleeping enough. I do still get hunger pains at times though.

    I eat some of my exercise calories but am still confused as to whether I'm supposed to be eating all of them, some of them, or none of them. So many people do it differently. Eating them back works for some while not eating them back works for others.

    I checked the CyberKitchen to find out my RMR and it said mine is 1476. It said in order to lose 1 pound a week with a 500 calorie deficit, my suggested daily calorie goal is 1418. This number is a little less than my RMR. So, does that mean I need to eat my RMR or would eating the 1418 be okay? Also, on the days that I exercise do I eat back those exercise calories to make sure that my net calories remain at 1418/1476 or do I not eat them back? I haven't been exercising very long so for 30 minutes of exercise I usually burn anywhere between 150 to 250 calories.
  • Laceylala
    Laceylala Posts: 3,094 Member
    Iweb..I just started eating back at least 50% of my exercise cals and I think I FINALLY after 8 weeks of working my butt off lost some weight this week. The difference between what MFP suggests and the RMR on the kitchen suggests is only like 60 cals. That isn't going to break the bank one way or another..
    I would eat the 1450ish a day (averaging them) and then eat at the very least half of your exercise cals back for a couple weeks and see how you do. If you see a change for the better, awesome. If you don't, then you can consider not eating them back at all or eating them all back and seeing how that goes.
  • lwebsmfp
    lwebsmfp Posts: 297 Member
    Laceylala... Thanks for that advice. I think I'll give that a try and see how it goes. One thing is for sure... I'm not giving up! :)

    Dragonfly74... Thanks so much for posting that information. it's a good read and I found it easy to understand.
  • AmberMommyTo2G1B
    AmberMommyTo2G1B Posts: 44 Member
    Ok thank you :) About the whole defecit thing what does that mean exactly? I have a defecit of 441 calories. I guess that is the one thing I can't quite figure out. Like I said earlier this whole thing is so confusing. I wish there was something that could say hey this is what will work for you now do it and you will lose all the weight :)
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
    Ok thank you :) About the whole defecit thing what does that mean exactly? I have a defecit of 441 calories. I guess that is the one thing I can't quite figure out. Like I said earlier this whole thing is so confusing. I wish there was something that could say hey this is what will work for you now do it and you will lose all the weight :)

    "Deficit" is the difference between your maintenance calories (not your BMR, your maintenance calories) and your calories that MFP gives you.

    And hey, pretty much what MFP does is say "hey this is what will work for you." Seriously. Pretty much everyone who follows MFP's recs loses weight. (barring metabolic dysfunction of some sort).

    Have faith in MFP! :flowerforyou:
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