ultra low calorie diets - how do you cope
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how about you guys look at my join date... for over a year i was religiously eating healthy, and less than 2000 calories, and it did **** all difference..
Tried looking in your diary for food examples during that time, but kept coming up blank. Were you tracking calorie intake another way?
Do you know how many calories you were taking in before trying to lose weight? Hard to imagine that a sub-2000 daily intake would be your maintenance.0 -
Ultra low calorie diets are stupid. You're better off sticking to something that'll last you.
In regards to the carb cravings, however, my advice is to either:
A) Reach for a starch rather than a sugar when you really have a craving (ie, baked sweet potato over a sweet fruit or cake).
Or
Go on a regular low carb diet at maintenance before going into a deficit; that way you'll hopefully kick your cravings for carbs before lowering your calories and a binge will be less likely.
Please, though, for the sake of yourself (doesn't really other me), just eat at a reasonable deficit - 10-20% below maintenance. You're just gonna mess ourself up in the LNG run if you do something stupid like, say, starve yourself.0 -
hey you know what... thanks
f*** the lot of you ill just stop eating from now on.
either ill get thin, or ill die. i really dont care which anymore.
Please get some help. If you are under Dr's supervision, are they doing anything to help improve your hormone levels?
You are on a very unhealthy road.0 -
im only going to be doing it for a few weeks at a time, alternating almost starvation with regular (not gluttonous) eating.
the reason being i believe it to be the most natural way to convince your body that food supplies are limited and you should be burning fat,
i also do cardio and strength training to keep up the muscle mass (as if i was still out there hunting for food, but just being unsuccesful) i also switch from meat products to vegetable products to again trick my body into thinking i cant catch anything.
my only problem is that i crave the carbs.
i dont want advice on my diet not being suitable, i have spoken to my doctor and she is ok with it as long as i monitor myself for signs of kidney or liver issues and only for a maximum of 4 weeks at a time.
this way i lose 5-8 lbs per week (based on my last loss) for 4 weeks, then maintain and build strength (during which time i lost a good few inches off my waist) before going back into a fat burning cycle.
i just want to know how to not crave carbs
or if i cant not crave carbs then ill just stay too busy and not eat at all and starve myself 100% for 3 days out of 7
You love carbs, who doesn't?!?! So, eat them! Moderation is key. If you want a freaking danish, eat one. Be sure to watch your macros and don't go over. You can still eat what you want just with better thinking.0 -
hey you know what... thanks
f*** the lot of you ill just stop eating from now on.
either ill get thin, or ill die. i really dont care which anymore.
seek professional help...
you have much worse issues than weight loss.
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hey you know what... thanks
f*** the lot of you ill just stop eating from now on.
either ill get thin, or ill die. i really dont care which anymore.
hey whatever you decide you want to do with your body, you alone have the power to make it happen.
get thin?
die?
get lean?
get strong?
you get to choose. with your current plan, you are headed for weak and skinny-fat. i recommend strong and lean. it feels good.0 -
The doctors dont really care... they just give you pills for your "mood issues" then they tell you to stop eating crap... ooh so helpful doc, thanks...
well im not taking the pills anymore, and im gonna stop eating crap, and everything else. ive got what, 150lbs of fat, thats 150 days of calories inside me right now. so 6 months from now ill be 150lbs lighter.
david blaine didnt eat for 40 something days and he was fine after
annorexics drag it out for years before they get so boney people notice.
so why cant i take 6 months off from food.0 -
The way I lost my craving for carbs (meaning sweets and a sweet tooth that drove me CRAZY) was by cutting out diet soda. My Doc told me that would work and I had no faith in that what so ever but my sweet tooth is what always was my downfall in dieting. I would diet like crazy for a few days or sometimes I would last for a few weeks and then............BAM!!!.............it would be 2 am and off to Caseys or any other 24 store and I would spend 20 bucks on donuts, candy, nuts, ice cream take it all home and eat it all then be so sick!!!!
Once I quit the pop after about a weeks my sweet tooth was gone. I had to tell my Doc she was rigtht. I have been dieting since Sept 17 and so far no middle of the night trips to the gas station and I bypass all the sweets everyone brings to work to share.
As far as craving the sandwiches................no advice there, sorry.
Good Luck to you!
If you would like to friend me that is great but I keep a private diary if that makes a difference to you. Happy Holiday!0 -
like i said, you pick your own destiny.
if you want to be a television magician or an anorexic, have at it. it's just that there are more appealing and more satisfying goals i can think of.0 -
how about you guys look at my join date... for over a year i was religiously eating healthy, and less than 2000 calories, and it did **** all difference..
i starve myself one time, i lose 25 lbs...
look, i asked a specific question, then i specified i dont want to hear your opinions on what is or is not healthy.
bear in mind that my doctor, who has seen my entire medical file, has recommended this diet due to genetic problems of which you lot are unaware.
so either answer my question as asked or politely dont answer at all.
and im not being moody or grouchy, its just that while for you all, those higher lower rate burns work for you. they do not work for me, they didnt work for me when i followed the weight watchers diet, they didnt work on a calorie controlled, nurse supervised, eat what your told and nothing else do not deviate diet.
this works.
i asked for help
you all but shot me down for daring.
its not one rule for all you know.
Yeah, sounds like what you're doing is working great for you.
You asked how to not crave carbs, and people are trying to help you by giving you excellent advice. Since that's not what you want to hear, apparently, and now you say you'll just starve yourself...well, I honestly wish you all the best. It breaks my heart to read things like that. You should seek psychiatric help at this point.0 -
Lyle Mcdonald also has the book Rapid Fat Loss which is similar to what your diet.
He also allow one free meal a week. It would help you stick your diet, take a break for diet mentality
and it also helps regulate hormone. A few people would event lose weight after a free meal.
I suggest that you do reseach on that book.0 -
The doctors dont really care... they just give you pills for your "mood issues" then they tell you to stop eating crap... ooh so helpful doc, thanks...
well im not taking the pills anymore, and im gonna stop eating crap, and everything else. ive got what, 150lbs of fat, thats 150 days of calories inside me right now. so 6 months from now ill be 150lbs lighter.
david blaine didnt eat for 40 something days and he was fine after
annorexics drag it out for years before they get so boney people notice.
so why cant i take 6 months off from food.
Because even under close supervision of a doctor, it's dangerous, and without supervision, it's dangerous and stupid. That's why.0 -
I too find it easier to drop the tonage on a very low calorie diet. I eat under 1000 per day and am not hungry. I'm on a specific diet called Ideal Protein . Have you heard of Walden Farms? They have a wide variety of 0 card,0sugar,0fat items. Salad dressings, marinades, jam, syrup, etc. I use chocolate syrup with my vanilla protein shake. I use 1/2 the water suggested, shake it up and put in the freezer for about 10 mins or so. Then it top it with the chocolate or strawberry syrup and it satisfies my sweet tooth. It works with chocolate protein shake mix as well. I hear they have a great Alfredo sauce but I haven't tryed it yet. Good luck!0
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im only going to be doing it for a few weeks at a time, alternating almost starvation with regular (not gluttonous) eating.
the reason being i believe it to be the most natural way to convince your body that food supplies are limited and you should be burning fat,
i also do cardio and strength training to keep up the muscle mass (as if i was still out there hunting for food, but just being unsuccesful) i also switch from meat products to vegetable products to again trick my body into thinking i cant catch anything.
my only problem is that i crave the carbs.
i dont want advice on my diet not being suitable, i have spoken to my doctor and she is ok with it as long as i monitor myself for signs of kidney or liver issues and only for a maximum of 4 weeks at a time.
this way i lose 5-8 lbs per week (based on my last loss) for 4 weeks, then maintain and build strength (during which time i lost a good few inches off my waist) before going back into a fat burning cycle.
i just want to know how to not crave carbs
or if i cant not crave carbs then ill just stay too busy and not eat at all and starve myself 100% for 3 days out of 7
constructive advice withdrawn. OP has deactivated.
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how about you guys look at my join date... for over a year i was religiously eating healthy, and less than 2000 calories, and it did **** all difference..
i starve myself one time, i lose 25 lbs...
look, i asked a specific question, then i specified i dont want to hear your opinions on what is or is not healthy.
bear in mind that my doctor, who has seen my entire medical file, has recommended this diet due to genetic problems of which you lot are unaware.
so either answer my question as asked or politely dont answer at all.
and im not being moody or grouchy, its just that while for you all, those higher lower rate burns work for you. they do not work for me, they didnt work for me when i followed the weight watchers diet, they didnt work on a calorie controlled, nurse supervised, eat what your told and nothing else do not deviate diet.
this works.
i asked for help
you all but shot me down for daring.
its not one rule for all you know.
Dude, I hear ya. I've had the same problem, and have come to the same solution to the problem. Drop under 1200 cals and BAM weight loss, anything over 1200 I'm stagnant. My doctor perscribed me Phentermine that curbs all my cravings, Been on it for a week and it's been wonderful (hopefuly it stays that way!). It's really the only way I could do it.0 -
no one likes me anyway so whats the point.
fat, thin they all hate me.
ive got no more pills left so now they taunt me.
they tell me im stupid for not collecting them, call me useless.
ive taken my photo down and changed my location. you cant find me.0 -
no one likes me anyway so whats the point.
fat, thin they all hate me.
ive got no more pills left so now they taunt me.
they tell me im stupid for not collecting them, call me useless.
ive taken my photo down and changed my location. you cant find me.
Blimey.
Read that aloud, it almost sounds like a poem.0 -
WTF just happened on this thread lol.0
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Well...that escalated quickly.0
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OP has deactivated his account. I sure hope he's OK. There are very serious issues so lets hope he gets the help he needs.
I don't believe anybody was out of order, everybody was trying to help with the information they were given.0 -
WTF just happened on this thread lol.
i think he felt that a couple of people went after him and he got defensive and deactivated. that's a shame, because if he could have filtered out some of the posts he didn't like, some of us would have been able to reach out to him in a constructive way and given him some sound logical advice that would help him see that the increasing his calories enough to satiate his hunger and alleviate the binges, would have still left him losing weight at a pretty good rate.0 -
Well...that escalated quickly.
It jumped up a notch.0 -
no one likes me anyway so whats the point.
fat, thin they all hate me.
ive got no more pills left so now they taunt me.
they tell me im stupid for not collecting them, call me useless.
ive taken my photo down and changed my location. you cant find me.
Good because I was about to come over there and make you do some barbell complexes until you puked.
Come on man. The point is for you to feel good about yourself, because you freaking deserve it and I guarantee you that you're capable of it.
I'm not buying the nobody likes me everybody hates me business. I don't even know you and I like you enough that I want to push you in the right direction.0 -
WTF is going on here?
OP, people are trying to help you. Try to listen.
Your sugar cravings are because you're not eating enough carbohydrates as a result of the low calorie diet.
If you want to completely cur carbs, go to keto- that's one option. But the lowish carbs with periodic binge eating is going to have you constantly trapped in that craving cycle. It won't get better. You need to eat more food (resulting in more carbs) or more food and go to keto.0 -
The doctors dont really care... they just give you pills for your "mood issues" then they tell you to stop eating crap... ooh so helpful doc, thanks...
well im not taking the pills anymore, and im gonna stop eating crap, and everything else. ive got what, 150lbs of fat, thats 150 days of calories inside me right now. so 6 months from now ill be 150lbs lighter.
david blaine didnt eat for 40 something days and he was fine after
annorexics drag it out for years before they get so boney people notice.
so why cant i take 6 months off from food.
Well, for one, anorexia is basically an addiction. You might think you can do this for 6 months or until you get to your "goal weight", but then 170 lbs will become 150 lbs and then 150 lbs will become 130 lbs and then 130 lbs will become 110 lbs and then "oops" you're dead.
Secondly, it's no way to live. I should know. I've struggled with eating disorders/recovery/eating disorders/recovery since childhood. Living your entire life obsessed with food when you could be obsessed with actually accomplishing something worthwhile (degrees, career success, relationship success, etc--believe me, there's no time for all of the above) is pathetic. It sucks.
Finally, your metabolism will catch up with you. You will need to eat less and less to lose weight. The human body is pretty amazing in its way to self-preserve.
I could go on about how ugly and non-glamorous eating disorders are (have you ever had a seizure? I have. I've pissed my pants because I've had seizures--in public--thanks to being thin and glamorous), but none of this is going to convince you because every person with an ED (or drug addiction, etc) thinks they're the one who is invincible.
I hope you will consider getting some help and work on your self esteem.0 -
no one likes me anyway so whats the point.
fat, thin they all hate me.
ive got no more pills left so now they taunt me.
they tell me im stupid for not collecting them, call me useless.
ive taken my photo down and changed my location. you cant find me.
whaaaaa?????0 -
If you really want to stop craving the junk, you have to get it out of your system completely. Before going crazy on cutting calories, clean up what you are eating. Eat real food - focus on meat and vegetables. No sodas, no pastries, no pasta, no sugar! If you are craving something sweet or starchy, have a sweet potato. Once you clean up WHAT you are eating and conquer the cravings, then make a reasonable reduction in calories. With the amount you have to lose, cycling short periods of drastic reduction with periods of maintenance is not a bad plan and can work well. The key is short periods and keeping to the same types of food during maintenance just more of them.0
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WTF just happened on this thread lol.
i think a couple of people went after him and he got defensive and deactivated. that's a shame, because if he could have filtered out some of the less helpful posts, some of us would have been able to reach out to him in a constructive way and given him some sound logical advice that would help him see that the increasing his calories enough to satiate his hunger and alleviate the binges, would have still left him losing weight at a pretty good rate.
That was not about his diet at all, he was channelling confusion, hurt, mental issues etc into that topic. He was probably just reaching out for help generally, but this is not the place for the help he actually is in need of.0 -
Hey, I don't know if you're doing low carb or just low cal. But if you can, look into the Ideal Protein protocol...The calories are around 1000, while still keeping you in your appropriate range of protein to not lose muscle. It will put your body into ketosis, pulling your energy to survive from your fat tanks rather than your muscle ( which is where your body will go first if not redirected by taking in enough protein ). The first week may be rough on cravings but then on out you will not be hungry and you'll eventually stop craving simple sugars. I do this whenever necessary to trim off some weight and my husband just started it too. Men typically lose between 5 and 15 lbs in the first week ( not all fat, mostly glycogen stored in your blood sugar tank). Then each week men typically lose around 3-7 lbs of fat. As for the carb cravings, they suck, I know. But the best way Ive been able to deal with it is just avoiding the kitchen at all cost. After work, its straight upstairs, or straight to the living room. And its even better if you don't have any crap food in the house. Also, if I am craving something really bad, but don't own it, I make it a rule that if I want it I have to walk to get it, walk to the store, not drive, not order pizza, I must walk, just like Laura Ingalls had to walk to school. (Similar to your plan to make your body think you're scavenging for food ). And then typically by the time I'm done hmming and haaing about walking I am done craving it. Best of luck. I know you're just trying to do whats best for you. My mom was a crazy strict dieter, exercised her heart out, but just couldn't lose the weight. The Ideal Protein protocol worked for her because the problem is in the pancreas for her....gotta cut the sugars out to reset the bodies natural functions. Have a good night
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i dont really get hunger pangs... i trained myself to enjoy those as evidence that im not over eating.
Please seek professional help. This is not a healthy mentality at all. Good luck to you.0
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