Starvation MODE MYTH BUSTED
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Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.0 -
Never knew you had to look a certain way to get an education. Maybe you should read my profile before judging. My certification is on there too btw. Some people are so narrow minded. Do I look like I have an IQ of 199, a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, a brown belt in Shotokan Karate, I used to play baseball, football, and basketball? Probably not, but hey, I guess we all have to look the part don't we. SMDHby the way OP you dont look like a personal trainer.
ok im a psychological annalist , a doctorate in Psychiatry is the medical specialty devoted to the study, diagnosis, treatment, and prevention, of mental disorders. These include various affective, behavioral cognitive and perceptual abnormalities., a well known fact is in patients with such conditions they tend to lie or believe falsely that they possess or are trained in some kind of work to hide the fact that they are in fact unable to cope with their failure in such parts of their lives, ie instead of im a fat person because i cant stop eating they may say ....... im a personal trainer with x amounts of qualifications, ive just gone of track a bit.
You cant kid a kidder boy-ow0 -
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
Says no person with a respectable amount of muscle ever0 -
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
Says no person with a respectable amount of muscle ever
I drink muscle milk dude, goes right to your muscles, how hard is it to drink like six musclemilks a day man0 -
This is all well and good, but when does the fat leave and where does it go?0
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Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.0 -
And I have a green belt in Tae Kwon do so I don't get it either.
Never knew you had to look a certain way to get an education. Maybe you should read my profile before judging. My certification is on there too btw. Some people are so narrow minded. Do I look like I have an IQ of 199, a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, a brown belt in Shotokan Karate, I used to play baseball, football, and basketball? Probably not, but hey, I guess we all have to look the part don't we. SMDHby the way OP you dont look like a personal trainer.
I'm out. I only have an IQ of 147, which probably explains why I don't understand how this blog post absolutely busts any myth.0 -
You know... starvation mode. I hate that term because it gets tossed about so willy-nilly, like 'love" and other words like that.
I just can't believe that if your body has an excessive amount of stored, easily broken down fuel, it'll get anywhere near your muscles, bones, or *gasp!* your own brain cells! I just can't believe it.
A blogger I know who had some kind of gastric bypass surgery was told by her doctor that she shouldn't eat less than 900-1200 calories a day so she could have room for her nutritional requirements, which obviously include macro and micro nutrients. So, I agree with Dana; people who eat too few calories are highly susceptible to malnutrition, not the body turning against itself.
Not that I expect anyone to agree with me, though obviously some here do. My spelling is attrocious, especially through my smartphone, and my IQ has tested only slightly higher than mildly regressed (a point of alarm for me, I assure you.).
Oh, and also, from a documentary I watched following a group of men and women at 500+ lbs each who got gastric bypass surgery: before you put anything in your mouth, make d***ed sure you've got your protein.... I can't imagine this was a suggestion aimed toward anything other than preventing malnutrition. Calories weren't even mentioned.0 -
AMEN BROTHER!!!
Thus is progress. Myths are being busted. Good day.
Let's just get it all out there and queue up tea water and caffeine as a diuretic next, and finally, tuna brownies.
Luckily I am smart enough to participate because my IQ is 201, I'm a licensed trainer, registered dietition, beach body coach, Sports Medicine Orthopedist, food chemist, and water specialist engineer. Welcome to the big leagues.0 -
AMEN BROTHER!!!
Thus is progress. Myths are being busted. Good day.
Let's just get it all out there and queue up tea water and caffeine as a diuretic next, and finally, tuna brownies.
Luckily I am smart enough to participate because my IQ is 201, I'm a licensed trainer, registered dietition, beach body coach, Sports Medicine Orthopedist, food chemist, and water specialist engineer. Welcome to the big leagues.
And don't forget, you move like a cyclone!0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.0 -
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
Says no person with a respectable amount of muscle ever
respectable being an opinion only, of course.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
Eating and using the muscle.0 -
And don't forget, you move like a cyclone!
Christ now that song is stuck in my head...0 -
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
Eating and using the muscle.
Yeah eat the muscle0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.
Right. Medical professionals are not concerned about asthetics, they are concerned about disease. And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay. But even with muscle atrophy once that person starts using the muscle the muscle will build back up quickly.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
Eating and using the muscle.
Eating at a deficit, maintenance or a surplus? And what is the optimum rate a woman can gain muscle tissue under ideal conditions?0 -
And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay.
It's a good thing we have you here0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.
Right. Medical professionals are concerned about asthetics, they are concerned about disease. And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay. But even with muscle atrophy once that person starts using the muscle the muscle will build back up quickly.
What does your answer have to do with the topic above? Where has anyone said that people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight? And the muscle building up quickly after atrophy is nueromuscluar adaptations - not mass gains.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
Eating and using the muscle.
Eating at a deficit, maintenance or a surplus? And what is the optimum rate a woman can gain muscle tissue under ideal conditions?
I would imagine it depends on the woman.0 -
by the way OP you dont look like a personal trainer.
this is 1 year after i got certified maybe 2yrs.
Point is, it's pretty dumb to judge someone's education based on appearance.
dude, your pretty hot for a guy, nice smile0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.
Right. Medical professionals are concerned about asthetics, they are concerned about disease. And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay. But even with muscle atrophy once that person starts using the muscle the muscle will build back up quickly.
What does your answer have to do with the topic above? Where has anyone said that people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight? And the muscle building up quickly after atrophy is nueromuscluar adaptations - not mass gains.
?? I don't recall anyone saying people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight. At least not in this thread. The topic I replied to was bariatric surgery.0 -
You know... starvation mode. I hate that term because it gets tossed about so willy-nilly, like 'love" and other words like that.
I just can't believe that if your body has an excessive amount of stored, easily broken down fuel, it'll get anywhere near your muscles, bones, or *gasp!* your own brain cells! I just can't believe it.
A blogger I know who had some kind of gastric bypass surgery was told by her doctor that she shouldn't eat less than 900-1200 calories a day so she could have room for her nutritional requirements, which obviously include macro and micro nutrients. So, I agree with Dana; people who eat too few calories are highly susceptible to malnutrition, not the body turning against itself.
Not that I expect anyone to agree with me, though obviously some here do. My spelling is attrocious, especially through my smartphone, and my IQ has tested only slightly higher than mildly regressed (a point of alarm for me, I assure you.).
Oh, and also, from a documentary I watched following a group of men and women at 500+ lbs each who got gastric bypass surgery: before you put anything in your mouth, make d***ed sure you've got your protein.... I can't imagine this was a suggestion aimed toward anything other than preventing malnutrition. Calories weren't even mentioned.
I can't believe I read through all these posts but I did and this one is the one that made the most sense LOL. I actually am a surgery patient and I regularly take in far less than 1200 calories a day and my surgeon and my primary care doctor said I'm doing great. This poster is right... it's not about calories - it's about protein and nutrition. Most days I eat/drink about 500-600 calories a day but I always eat protein first, I supplement protein, and I take vitamin supplements. As well, I track to make sure that I don't become malnourished. I've only hit one stall for two weeks and you can see my ticker to see my progress (I've been losing since late September - my surgery was in mid October). I'm never tired from the lack of calories and I feel physically better than I ever have because nearly everything I put in my mouth is quality food instead of junk food.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.
Right. Medical professionals are concerned about asthetics, they are concerned about disease. And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay. But even with muscle atrophy once that person starts using the muscle the muscle will build back up quickly.
What does your answer have to do with the topic above? Where has anyone said that people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight? And the muscle building up quickly after atrophy is nueromuscluar adaptations - not mass gains.
?? I don't recall anyone saying people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight. At least not in this thread. The topic I replied to was bariatric surgery.
You replied to my comment that it is hard to gain muscle, then started on about aesthetics - which was my point exactly - it was not relevant to the discussion.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
Eating and using the muscle.
Eating at a deficit, maintenance or a surplus? And what is the optimum rate a woman can gain muscle tissue under ideal conditions?
I would imagine it depends on the woman.
And that is exactly what that would be. Your imagination. You are attempting to speak with authority on a subject that you are completely unversed. Do some research on exactly what it take from a nutritional, and physiological point of view to gain muscle. It is not easy and it varies little from woman to woman. Flip comments about how it's not that hard to gain back muscle are misinformed at best. Just not true.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.
Right. Medical professionals are concerned about asthetics, they are concerned about disease. And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay. But even with muscle atrophy once that person starts using the muscle the muscle will build back up quickly.
What does your answer have to do with the topic above? Where has anyone said that people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight? And the muscle building up quickly after atrophy is nueromuscluar adaptations - not mass gains.
?? I don't recall anyone saying people who are in an unhealthy body fat range should not focus on losing weight. At least not in this thread. The topic I replied to was bariatric surgery.
You replied to my comment that it is hard to gain muscle, then started on about aesthetics - which was my point exactly - it was not relevant to the discussion.
Okay. Hard and easy are subjective so I will concede the point.0 -
Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
Eating and using the muscle.
Eating at a deficit, maintenance or a surplus? And what is the optimum rate a woman can gain muscle tissue under ideal conditions?
I would imagine it depends on the woman.
And that is exactly what that would be. Your imagination. You are attempting to speak with authority on a subject that you are completely unversed. Do some research on exactly what it take from a nutritional, and physiological point of view to gain muscle. It is not easy and it varies little from woman to woman. Flip comments about how it's not that hard to gain back muscle are misinformed at best. Just not true.
I'm a woman, I don't consider it hard. But as I said to another post, I'll not hijack the thread to argue the point since "hard" is subjective.0 -
People are so rude it blows my mind. This site is about people helping people. If they don't like what one person has so kindly taken a moment to share then they should move on!!!
This is exactly what I was thinking!!0
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