Starvation MODE MYTH BUSTED

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  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.
  • kathyms13
    kathyms13 Posts: 497 Member
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    by the way OP you dont look like a personal trainer.
    Never knew you had to look a certain way to get an education. Maybe you should read my profile before judging. My certification is on there too btw. Some people are so narrow minded. Do I look like I have an IQ of 199, a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, a brown belt in Shotokan Karate, I used to play baseball, football, and basketball? Probably not, but hey, I guess we all have to look the part don't we. SMDH

    ok im a psychological annalist , a doctorate in Psychiatry is the medical specialty devoted to the study, diagnosis, treatment, and prevention, of mental disorders. These include various affective, behavioral cognitive and perceptual abnormalities., a well known fact is in patients with such conditions they tend to lie or believe falsely that they possess or are trained in some kind of work to hide the fact that they are in fact unable to cope with their failure in such parts of their lives, ie instead of im a fat person because i cant stop eating they may say ....... im a personal trainer with x amounts of qualifications, ive just gone of track a bit.
    You cant kid a kidder boy-ow
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
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    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    Says no person with a respectable amount of muscle ever
  • secretlobster
    secretlobster Posts: 3,566 Member
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    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    Says no person with a respectable amount of muscle ever

    I drink muscle milk dude, goes right to your muscles, how hard is it to drink like six musclemilks a day man
  • tracypk
    tracypk Posts: 233 Member
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    This is all well and good, but when does the fat leave and where does it go?
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.
  • tracypk
    tracypk Posts: 233 Member
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    by the way OP you dont look like a personal trainer.
    Never knew you had to look a certain way to get an education. Maybe you should read my profile before judging. My certification is on there too btw. Some people are so narrow minded. Do I look like I have an IQ of 199, a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, a brown belt in Shotokan Karate, I used to play baseball, football, and basketball? Probably not, but hey, I guess we all have to look the part don't we. SMDH

    I'm out. I only have an IQ of 147, which probably explains why I don't understand how this blog post absolutely busts any myth.
    And I have a green belt in Tae Kwon do so I don't get it either.
  • astrummortis
    astrummortis Posts: 14 Member
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    You know... starvation mode. I hate that term because it gets tossed about so willy-nilly, like 'love" and other words like that.


    I just can't believe that if your body has an excessive amount of stored, easily broken down fuel, it'll get anywhere near your muscles, bones, or *gasp!* your own brain cells! I just can't believe it.

    A blogger I know who had some kind of gastric bypass surgery was told by her doctor that she shouldn't eat less than 900-1200 calories a day so she could have room for her nutritional requirements, which obviously include macro and micro nutrients. So, I agree with Dana; people who eat too few calories are highly susceptible to malnutrition, not the body turning against itself.

    Not that I expect anyone to agree with me, though obviously some here do. My spelling is attrocious, especially through my smartphone, and my IQ has tested only slightly higher than mildly regressed (a point of alarm for me, I assure you.).

    Oh, and also, from a documentary I watched following a group of men and women at 500+ lbs each who got gastric bypass surgery: before you put anything in your mouth, make d***ed sure you've got your protein.... I can't imagine this was a suggestion aimed toward anything other than preventing malnutrition. Calories weren't even mentioned.
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
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    AMEN BROTHER!!!

    Thus is progress. Myths are being busted. Good day.
    Let's just get it all out there and queue up tea water and caffeine as a diuretic next, and finally, tuna brownies.

    Luckily I am smart enough to participate because my IQ is 201, I'm a licensed trainer, registered dietition, beach body coach, Sports Medicine Orthopedist, food chemist, and water specialist engineer. Welcome to the big leagues.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    AMEN BROTHER!!!

    Thus is progress. Myths are being busted. Good day.
    Let's just get it all out there and queue up tea water and caffeine as a diuretic next, and finally, tuna brownies.

    Luckily I am smart enough to participate because my IQ is 201, I'm a licensed trainer, registered dietition, beach body coach, Sports Medicine Orthopedist, food chemist, and water specialist engineer. Welcome to the big leagues.

    And don't forget, you move like a cyclone!
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.

    If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    Says no person with a respectable amount of muscle ever

    respectable being an opinion only, of course.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.

    If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.

    I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?

    Eating and using the muscle.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
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    And don't forget, you move like a cyclone!

    Christ now that song is stuck in my head...
  • secretlobster
    secretlobster Posts: 3,566 Member
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    If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?

    Eating and using the muscle.

    Yeah eat the muscle
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    It is very hard to gain back, especially for women.

    If you are talking gaining muscle as in bodybuilding then, yeah, that takes dedication and a lot of effort. But if you are talking average muscle composition, it's not hard.

    I am talking about it as in 'gaining muscle'. Gaining muscle is gaining muscle. I do not understand the differentiation (except with may be the desired amount being different). The physiological process is the same.

    Right. Medical professionals are not concerned about asthetics, they are concerned about disease. And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay. But even with muscle atrophy once that person starts using the muscle the muscle will build back up quickly.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
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    Im not a professional, but the one thing that has always bothered me about the starvation mode arguement, is... How do you explain those who have the lap band and gastric bypass? Those people are only taking in between 500-800 calories a day, and they continue to lose weight until they are sticks. Why do they not go into this "starvation mode?" My 400 pound brother had the lap band, and in 1 year, lost so much weight, they had to remove it... He was eating under 1000 calories a day, and never went into stavation mode...
    Yes, but as most people know about that type of surgery, you lose weight at such a fast pace, you also lose a lot of muscle, which is why it should always be your last option. Because once you're done, you have no lean mass to support your metabolism. Starvation mode, doesn't necessarily mean you're not losing weight, it means that you're losing lean muscle as well as fat. Hence the reason to only lose 1-2lbs per week, otherwise you start losing lean body mass.

    Muscle isn't that hard to gain back though. There is a fairly large segment of the medical community beginning to argue for weight loss surgery sooner rather than later because of its ability to reverse diseases such as diabetes, once thought to be irreversible.

    If muscle is so easy to gain back, what is the process for doing that?

    Eating and using the muscle.

    Eating at a deficit, maintenance or a surplus? And what is the optimum rate a woman can gain muscle tissue under ideal conditions?
  • secretlobster
    secretlobster Posts: 3,566 Member
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    And a thin person doesn't need as much muscle as a heavy person, so losing some is okay.

    It's a good thing we have you here

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