Eating Above TDEE?

km1415
km1415 Posts: 10
I'm a little confused about tdee. My calculated tdee is about 2200, and I'd like to maintain my weight. MFP gives me 1830 cals to maintain, and I eat back my exercise calories (usually about 500/day). Eating these cals back would put me around 2330, which is above my tdee. I guess my question is, is it ok to eat my maintenance cals + exercise cals if they go over my tdee?

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  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,338 Member
    There are too many things I don't know to answer that question such as what activity level you put yourself at. TDEE includes all activity, including exercise, but if you put yourself at too low an activity level that would explain the difference. Also realize all these numbers are estimates based on averages over the whole population. Your actual TDEE could be higher or lower.
  • km1415
    km1415 Posts: 10
    Thank you! I'm a college student so I'm sedentary while studying, but I do a lot of walking to classes/around campus, and I do about 45 minutes of either cardio or circuit training and weights 6 days/week
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,338 Member
    Use this calculator including your exercise and tell me the number it comes up with.
  • Mokey41
    Mokey41 Posts: 5,769 Member
    Are you calculating your TDEE as sedentary? I'd do that and then add exercise separately and decide whether you want to eat it back or not. Unless you do some really strenuous exercise which it doesn't sound like you do there probably is no reason to eat those calories back especially the walking to classes part.

    To maintain you really need to play around for a bit to find out where the balance is for you. If you see the pounds creeping back then you have to cut back, if you continue losing then you need to add a bit. No calculator will be bang on accurate for everybody.
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,272 Member
    Your TDEE is total expenditure so your question doesn't make sense. eat at your TDEE to maintain:
    BMR + daily activities + exercise = TDEE
  • DanaDark
    DanaDark Posts: 2,187 Member
    TDEE when using activity level is a simple multiplication. It does not account for exact exercises and usually is not a very good tool to use over sedentary. It is better to calculate TDEE yourself on a day to day basis.
  • ObtainingBalance
    ObtainingBalance Posts: 1,446 Member
    Your TDEE is total expenditure so your question doesn't make sense. eat at your TDEE to maintain:
    BMR + daily activities + exercise = TDEE


    Okay, so your TDEE is 2,200 .

    You told MFP your activity level and age, height, etc.... so they calculated your perfect deficit . which leaves you to eat 1,800/day. Don't eat back exercise calories, BECAUSE you already told mfp your activity level...those calories were estimated in....if you want to eat back exercise calories - enter that you're sedentary so MFP doesn't get confused.....good luck
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    Your TDEE is total expenditure so your question doesn't make sense. eat at your TDEE to maintain:
    BMR + daily activities + exercise = TDEE


    Okay, so your TDEE is 2,200 .

    You told MFP your activity level and age, height, etc.... so they calculated your perfect deficit . which leaves you to eat 1,800/day. Don't eat back exercise calories, BECAUSE you already told mfp your activity level...those calories were estimated in....if you want to eat back exercise calories - enter that you're sedentary so MFP doesn't get confused.....good luck

    Why would she want a perfect deficit if she is trying to maintain?
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    I've come to the conclusion that this whole "eating back your excercise calories" thing is stupid. I can understand that for some people it motivates them to exercise. But, if you find your TDEE, that's all you ever need to eat for the rest of your life, and just remain active and you'll stay healthy and fit. Makes it easy rather than trying to figure out how many calories this or that exercise burned and if you should eat more as a result.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Something might be off. But not necessarily. On average, you should be below your TDEE if you're doing it the "MFP way". Another option is to count calories the TDEE way. Here is an explanation:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,272 Member
    Something might be off. But not necessarily. On average, you should be below your TDEE if you're doing it the "MFP way". Another option is to count calories the TDEE way. Here is an explanation:

    Just a note that the OP is trying to maintain not cut.
    Your TDEE is your TDEE by definition. That would mean eating back any exercise calories. If you do the same routine weekly and you aren't gaining or losing, congrats! You've found your TDEE (or matched it with intake).
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    I've come to the conclusion that this whole "eating back your excercise calories" thing is stupid. I can understand that for some people it motivates them to exercise. But, if you find your TDEE, that's all you ever need to eat for the rest of your life, and just remain active and you'll stay healthy and fit. Makes it easy rather than trying to figure out how many calories this or that exercise burned and if you should eat more as a result.

    Hmm. I suppose you've never trained for an endurance event, where your week 1 needs might be dramatically different from your week 16 needs. Also, your TDEE changes due to a variety of things, age being a big factor. So, it's not all you need for the rest of your life once you find it, at all.

    Anyway OP, my suggestion is you to use the links given in this thread, but all of the estimation methods are just estimations- you're going to need to test it out, and adjust according to gains or losses. If you start with a reasonable estimate, you won't gain or lose much, so try it for a week or two, if you've gained 1 lb over two weeks, subtract 250 from your estimate. Eventually you'll hit on the right number. Because the loss/gain potential is pretty small, there's little risk in just trying and adjusting. It's not like you can get that far off track.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Something might be off. But not necessarily. On average, you should be below your TDEE if you're doing it the "MFP way". Another option is to count calories the TDEE way. Here is an explanation:

    Just a note that the OP is trying to maintain not cut.
    Your TDEE is your TDEE by definition. That would mean eating back any exercise calories. If you do the same routine weekly and you aren't gaining or losing, congrats! You've found your TDEE (or matched it with intake).

    ah yes sorry, not enough coffee yet.

    so the options would be to do it the MFP way and have the calories average out to the TDEE (some days might be a little under and a little over).

    or try to eat flat TDEE every day.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Your TDEE is total expenditure so your question doesn't make sense. eat at your TDEE to maintain:
    BMR + daily activities + exercise = TDEE


    Okay, so your TDEE is 2,200 .

    You told MFP your activity level and age, height, etc.... so they calculated your perfect deficit . which leaves you to eat 1,800/day. Don't eat back exercise calories, BECAUSE you already told mfp your activity level...those calories were estimated in....if you want to eat back exercise calories - enter that you're sedentary so MFP doesn't get confused.....good luck

    This doesn't apply to the OP but your assumption on MFP and exercise calories is not correct. In MFP's model, exercise calories are not already factored in. You earn 'em to eat 'em. That is why when you log exercise MFP increases your calorie budget for the day in order to maintain the projected deficit.
  • ObtainingBalance
    ObtainingBalance Posts: 1,446 Member
    Your TDEE is total expenditure so your question doesn't make sense. eat at your TDEE to maintain:
    BMR + daily activities + exercise = TDEE


    Okay, so your TDEE is 2,200 .

    You told MFP your activity level and age, height, etc.... so they calculated your perfect deficit . which leaves you to eat 1,800/day. Don't eat back exercise calories, BECAUSE you already told mfp your activity level...those calories were estimated in....if you want to eat back exercise calories - enter that you're sedentary so MFP doesn't get confused.....good luck

    Why would she want a perfect deficit if she is trying to maintain?


    Missed that, it was too early. Sorry OP. Don't worry about a deficit! I think you'd take more than that to maintain though, based on your activities listed you don't seem sedentary.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Yes, it's fine to eat above your calculated average TDEE (as used here on MFP) if your exercise calculates in while at maintenance. (Try to log only 85% of exercise as a good general rule).

    For example, today I ate over 3200 cals, my TDEE is about 2700. Today's specific expenditure plus base would be in the 3600-3700.
    So by eating well above my TDEE I'm still maintaining a small deficit and will continue to lose very slowly. I'm actually slowly going to maintenance since I've upped my activity to train for a half marathon. If I were at full maintenance I'd be eating a 1000 calories above TDEE on days like today.
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,272 Member
    The more I think of it, the more I see why people get confused. It's in the definitions. "Total daily energy expenditure".
    I always defined this literally because the word total is right in the label so to speak. I guess one could define things more precisely.

    Since some consider your TDEE = BMR + calories burned from Daily regular activity
    Your calories to eat at maintenance could be called "Grand Total Daily Energy Ependiture" or GTDEE :tongue:

    GTDEE = BMR + calories burned from Daily regular activity + Exercise

    I'm eating at my GTDEE to maintain.

    :devil:
  • km1415
    km1415 Posts: 10
    Thanks all for the suggestions, I understand I shouldn't eat above my tdee to account for exercise because that is included in my tdee calculation. I get that its just an estimate, I think I'll just keep eating 2000-2200
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,272 Member
    I think I'll just keep eating 2000-2200
    That will work. If you keep losing weight, eat some more.
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