LEAN......

jmzz1
jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
edited January 7 in Fitness and Exercise
How to distinguish between muscle soreness and real muscle gain?.... i usually have pain after strength training in my muscle........ am i heading in the right direction ?will i gain lean muscle or is it just temporary muscle soreness and will fade after a while? please advice

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  • Mutant13
    Mutant13 Posts: 2,485 Member
    You should really only have noticeable soreness the first one or two times after trying a new exercise or upping your weight. There's that general soreness that comes with lifting but that shouldn't really be noticeable.

    If you are really sore after every workout you might be doing something incorrectly
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
    @OP: What? Soreness is not muscle gain. It's a sign that the muscle has been worked. The gain comes during the recovery.
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    @OP: What? Soreness is not muscle gain. It's a sign that the muscle has been worked. The gain comes during the recovery.
    so is it good each and every time i workout i get muscular pain?
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
    Does it get easier next time around, or are you able to lift more?
    Do you look better in the mirror?

    There is no instant way to tell, you just have to assess your progress, and adjust as necessary.
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
    so is it good each and every time i workout i get muscular pain?

    Pain is bad! Pain normally means you are injured, or something wrong.

    A bit of soreness, is fine. Depending on how you train (and recover), the degree and duration of soreness will vary, or may not even be noticed.
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
    @OP: What? Soreness is not muscle gain. It's a sign that the muscle has been worked. The gain comes during the recovery.
    so is it good each and every time i workout i get muscular pain?

    You may get sore muscles. Sometimes you may not.

    Read this: http://getfitguy.quickanddirtytips.com/how-to-build-muscle.aspx
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    Does it get easier next time around, or are you able to lift more?
    Do you look better in the mirror?

    There is no instant way to tell, you just have to assess your progress, and adjust as necessary.
    the pain subsides to some extent but is not gone completely....i do lifting on alternate days..... is it normal?
  • laddyboy
    laddyboy Posts: 1,565 Member
    Is it a good pain...(you feel sore but in a good way), or is it bad pain (feels like someone is sticking a hot poker into your muscle)?

    The good pain is muscle tearing (tiny micro tears in the muscle tissue), then during rest the recovery begins and rebuilding of that muscle to adapt to what it went thru takes place making your stronger.

    I like worksheets to track progress. So when I do that same workout next week if I was only able to get 8 reps I have a goal to do more or add more weights.

    Hope this helps
  • laddyboy
    laddyboy Posts: 1,565 Member
    Idealy you should be giving the muscle/s you worked at least 48 hours recovery.

    So if you work chest on Monday don't work it again until Wed the earliest. Like someone stated earlier, repair and growth comes during rest.
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    Idealy you should be giving the muscle/s you worked at least 48 hours recovery.

    So if you work chest on Monday don't work it again until Wed the earliest. Like someone stated earlier, repair and growth comes during rest.
    i do one day upper body i.e. arms and chest, next day -- abs , and then 3rd day lower body i.e. back , legs, calf, etc....
    cardio everyday for 15 minutes and that too only cycling
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
    So you're only hitting any given body part once a week? That's fine as you'll have plenty of recovery. Just because your thighs are sore from training, it doesn't mean you can't train your shoulders.
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    So you're only hitting any given body part once a week? That's fine as you'll have plenty of recovery. Just because your thighs are sore from training, it doesn't mean you can't train your shoulders.
    i am hitting twice a week the same body part
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
    So you're only hitting any given body part once a week? That's fine as you'll have plenty of recovery. Just because your thighs are sore from training, it doesn't mean you can't train your shoulders.
    i am hitting twice a week the same body part

    Still fine. :)
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    Still fine. :)
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months

    How about progress with your lifts, are you now lifting more weight for the same reps compared to 2 months ago?
  • mockchoc
    mockchoc Posts: 6,573 Member
    Still fine. :)
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months

    Did you take photos or measure or are you just going by how you think you look?
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months

    How about progress with your lifts, are you now lifting more weight for the same reps compared to 2 months ago?
    yep i have increased my weights..... infact i tend to increase approx. 1/2 kg every week..... started with 1kg weight and now i lift 3kgs
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member

    Did you take photos or measure or are you just going by how you think you look?
    took measurements and they increased by 1 inch overall
  • nguk123
    nguk123 Posts: 223 Member
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months

    How about progress with your lifts, are you now lifting more weight for the same reps compared to 2 months ago?
    yep i have increased my weights..... infact i tend to increase approx. 1/2 kg every week..... started with 1kg weight and now i lift 3kgs

    i have an idea forming as to your issues but tell me how many reps and sets are you doing for a given lift?
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
    yep i have increased my weights..... infact i tend to increase approx. 1/2 kg every week..... started with 1kg weight and now i lift 3kgs

    Do you find that amount of weight a challenge, or is it easy?
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months

    How about progress with your lifts, are you now lifting more weight for the same reps compared to 2 months ago?
    yep i have increased my weights..... infact i tend to increase approx. 1/2 kg every week..... started with 1kg weight and now i lift 3kgs

    i have an idea forming as to your issues but tell me how many reps and sets are you doing for a given lift?
    Around 15 reps and vary with 2-3 sets
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
    yep i have increased my weights..... infact i tend to increase approx. 1/2 kg every week..... started with 1kg weight and now i lift 3kgs

    Do you find that amount of weight a challenge, or is it easy?
    First 2times I find it tough then easy
  • alexbusnello
    alexbusnello Posts: 1,010 Member
    I have the same issue but I think I've been doing more damage than progress. Taking a break from it till I learn to eat more...
  • nguk123
    nguk123 Posts: 223 Member
    How much rest are you taking between sets?
    I'm thinking doing 15, you are edging into 'muscual endurance' rather than 'muscular growth' let alone 'muscular strength' , particularly if your rest times are low.

    Perhaps try to up your weights. It should take a concerted effort to get them up, but not so streneous as that you will abandon your form. Aim for 12 on a set. And when you can consistently hit 12, go up in weight. Its fine to only do 5,6,7 or 8 when you move up in weight. Try to go up to 12, and when you acheive raise the weight again. You can recover a large portion of your strength in on 60-90seconds. Take a good rest , and try to lift as heavy as you can when you hit your sets. Legs usually need a few more reps, so 15 probably a good target for those.

    As for pain/soreness in the muscle, there is evidence that this is reduced with frequency, so twice a week is better than once a week, so thats good for you that you are hitting parts twice a week, but it takes time for your body to adjust, compare the time before you began lifting to your time lifting, your body has a lot to adapt to. Pain to be extremely alert for is joint pain, this is really bad, its a sign that you may be using bad form, and it needs lots of recovery and can really set you back if not addressed.

    Otherwise don't be concerned with having soreness/not having soreness. There is no direct connection between soreness and muscle growth. Muscle growth can happen with or without soreness.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    i do not see any difference in my arms or any other body part......... have been lifting heavy past 2 months

    How about progress with your lifts, are you now lifting more weight for the same reps compared to 2 months ago?
    yep i have increased my weights..... infact i tend to increase approx. 1/2 kg every week..... started with 1kg weight and now i lift 3kgs

    i have an idea forming as to your issues but tell me how many reps and sets are you doing for a given lift?
    Around 15 reps and vary with 2-3 sets

    in 2 months, you have increased your stength from presumably no weight to 3kg?
  • lasmit4477
    lasmit4477 Posts: 308 Member
    Idealy you should be giving the muscle/s you worked at least 48 hours recovery.

    So if you work chest on Monday don't work it again until Wed the earliest. Like someone stated earlier, repair and growth comes during rest.


    ^This! Plus, you are not going to "gain muscle mass" if you are in a calorie deficit! You would have to be in a calorie surplus in order to gain muscle mass!
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    You should really only have noticeable soreness the first one or two times after trying a new exercise or upping your weight. There's that general soreness that comes with lifting but that shouldn't really be noticeable.

    If you are really sore after every workout you might be doing something incorrectly

    I'll add that if you are sore, you should still have close to full range of motion. if you are injured, the pain will likely stop you from moving whatever it is you are trying to move at some point in the range.
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