Weights for women - argh confused!

Hello!

I've finally figured out what i think will work for me personally in order to achieve fitness and decrease body fat.

I've worked out my BMR and TDEE. Currently I should eat 1950 calories a day (yey what a relief, i love all food!).

I also plan to do interval cardio twice a week (swimming, heavy household DIY, cross trainer or rower are my favs).

But more importantly i want to do 3 total body weight work outs each week!

This is where i become a bit afraid. I've never really done weights before, i don't know anyone who has.

The terms confuse me, i don't know what the moves are or how much weight to be lifting.

Does anyone know of any good websites or books for someone like me?

Anything with pictures would be great!

I had read about a book called 5-3-1 which seems like a simple plan i could follow. I'm not sure if that program is right for my current needs though or not it confuses me. Is that programme ok for fat loss/woman/beginners?

I have high body fat, i need to lose like 20% to just get to a normal rate! So want to build some muscle up in order to burn that fat off, along with eating 20% below TDEE.

I've got a goal of dropping 3 dress sizes by June - I've booked a lovely holiday and bought a smaller dress - so I'm trying to get his right this time.

Thanks if you've read this far!

I appreciate any help or knowledge.

Natalie

Replies

  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Assuming you have access to a gym, Stronglifts 5 x 5 is a great program - check out this group - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/4601-stronglifts-5x5-for-women it has a bunch of info - see first post in the topics section.

    I would not recommend 5/3/1 until you have been lifting for a while - plus it is not a full body workout.
  • carrietehbear
    carrietehbear Posts: 384 Member
    I've never heard of that book but I just read the New Rules of Lifting for Women. I don't agree with everything in the book but it gives a 6 month workout program in it.
  • MrsAgi
    MrsAgi Posts: 338 Member
    I'm doing the New Rules of Lifting for women. There is a NR4LW group on here which is great, and the book wasn't too expensive! It us aimed at beginners and has lots of pictures. I had never even been in a gym before starting,let alone picked up a barbell! BUt I'm working my way through the staged workouts easily enough, and have got loads stronger. I've heard good things about stronglifts 5x5 too - will probsbly do that next, but I think you could do either one first
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I've never heard of that book but I just read the New Rules of Lifting for Women. I don't agree with everything in the book but it gives a 6 month workout program in it.

    I have not done NROL4W but I hesitate to recommend it as some of the routine apparently gets a little convoluted after stage 3. There are a lot of people on here who have done it and like the programming however.
  • Starla_
    Starla_ Posts: 349
    I recommend stronglifts 5x5.

    It's simple and straight to the point and good for beginners. I've recently started it and I love doing it.
  • nguk123
    nguk123 Posts: 223
    I'm assuming your weight routine is going to happen at a gym?
    When you go and arrange your induction, pay a few more bucks and have a trainer make a starter full body routine for you. Have them show you good form and check you are doing the moves right. Then arrange for a progress check a couple month later. It shouldn't be too expensive and experienced eyes that can see you is probably better than you checking yourself from what you pick up from a book.
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    I've never heard of that book but I just read the New Rules of Lifting for Women. I don't agree with everything in the book but it gives a 6 month workout program in it.

    I have not done NROL4W but I hesitate to recommend it as some of the routine apparently gets a little convoluted after stage 3. There are a lot of people on here who have done it and like the programming however.

    I started out doing NROLFW, and switched to StrongLifts after stage two. I had a knee injury and found I couldn't do all the moves.

    StrongLifts is a great starting point.
  • zeta30
    zeta30 Posts: 40
    I recommend stronglifts 5x5.

    It's simple and straight to the point and good for beginners. I've recently started it and I love doing it.

    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.

    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.
  • kimmieyr1
    kimmieyr1 Posts: 189
    Bumping as I need this as well!
  • 2hobbit1
    2hobbit1 Posts: 820 Member
    I recommend stronglifts 5x5.

    It's simple and straight to the point and good for beginners. I've recently started it and I love doing it.

    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.

    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.


    I STRONGLY DISAGREE!!!!!! -

    Strong lifts 5x5 is very doable at your age even without prior lifting experience. There are many good videos on youtube that show the moves search on "stronglifts", "medhi" or on "starting strength" or "riptoe" The program is flexible and you will adjust it to your on initial ability. I am a 60 year old female and I am doing strong lifts at home I have the proper equipment to do it safely. I did not start out using the mens recommended weights - some I started with a naked bar - others I had to start out with dumbells cause the bar was too heavy. I also do not lift 3 x a week but only twice so I recover fully. It took me a while to get the form down with lighter weights or no weights at all if necessary, before I started to up the weights constantly but I can squat 70 lb bench 65, overhead press 50, row 50 and deadlift 80, - not bad for a way over 40 something! It takes a little longer to get there and you may need to get fractional weights and use smaller weight increases but it is doable - In fact it will strengthen you bones and joints! My chronically achy back is no longer a problem since I now have a stronge balanced core!

    The stronglifts group here is very active

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/4618-stronglifts-5x5-for-women

    I have also used the NROLFW program and liked it but it is a little harder to do at home - need more equipment or workarounds - it is very doable if you are a member of a well equipped gym.
    Good group here.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/119-new-rules-of-lifting-for-women-nrol4w-

    Do which ever works for you!

    ETA - regardless of the program you select be sure to get the proper nutrition. The NROLFW book has a very good section on nutrition for lifters - you will need more calories and protein than you think to help with repair and strengthen your muscles - be sure to get your protein in - it makes a big difference in your outcome!
  • natajane
    natajane Posts: 295 Member
    Thanks everyone for your replies, some great information!

    I am 26 and I go to the gym, and i will use a personal trainer to begin with so that i don't hurt myself/know how hard to push myself. So equipment wise i could do most programmes i guess.

    I just want to be sure that what i pick will be effective and help me lose inches. And is simple enough for me to remember when I'm alone doing it, honestly i have a 2 second memory.

    These 2 programmes come up a lot, so they must work for you all - do you get good results?

    X
  • Molly_Maguire
    Molly_Maguire Posts: 1,103 Member
    Try browsing Youtube for some weightlifting tutorials.There are some really good ones out there.
  • woodsygirl
    woodsygirl Posts: 354 Member
    I used NROL4W and loved it. I thought it was a great introduction and used it for just about a year before feeling like I needed something new.
  • azwen
    azwen Posts: 237 Member
    I'm assuming your weight routine is going to happen at a gym?
    When you go and arrange your induction, pay a few more bucks and have a trainer make a starter full body routine for you. Have them show you good form and check you are doing the moves right. Then arrange for a progress check a couple month later. It shouldn't be too expensive and experienced eyes that can see you is probably better than you checking yourself from what you pick up from a book.

    I agree! Definitely find out what your gym offers. In addition to trainers (costs $$), my gym has a person whom I can meet with once a month who will do all my measurements, look over my fitness log, make suggestions, help me create a program, etc. For free. I recently met with her; she helped me set up a different weight training plan, did my measurements, showed me some machines she recommended I use, and helped me get started on the elliptical. I can also call/see her with questions you may have. I had no idea she was available for this until recently. She's the supervisor of training.
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.
    No to all of this. Total bullsh!t.

    5x5 is awesome for beginners. You start with just the bar to work on form and incrementally increase the weight as you progress. It's simple and provides a full body workout in a short amount of time. In your 40s is when you should definitely be lifting heavy (way more often than once a month - that's just stupid) to strengthen/maintain the strength in your joints and connective tissue.
    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.
    I don't know anything about New Rules so I won't speak to it but Stronglifts 5x5 and Starting Strength are both very good beginner programs. You will definitely see gains very quickly with either of these programs.
  • nexangelus
    nexangelus Posts: 2,080 Member

    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.

    Er....um....there are a few ladies over 40 in the stronglifts group...they have amazing stories and success. Don't know who told you this, but it sounds pretty bogus...and stronglifts is a beginner programme...simple, easy to follow and builds up strength and lean mass if you follow the steps within it...
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I recommend stronglifts 5x5.

    It's simple and straight to the point and good for beginners. I've recently started it and I love doing it.

    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.

    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.



    Stronglifts is for beginners as well as more advanced lifters

    And your comment about age is very very wrong. The risk of osteoporosis and sarcopenia means that it is very importtant to do some resistance training as you get older. The older you get the more conscious you get of recovery time but advising to lift only once a month is just wrong. There are many many people in there 40's and above who lift heavy. I am 45 years old and lift heavy 4 x a week. Where exactly did you read this absurd bit of information?
  • chani8
    chani8 Posts: 946 Member
    I love HASfit.com for simple home workouts with weights.

    Here is a sample for you, a great chest workout:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoIOJtz7Mwk&list=ULNW0cJh3a5SQ
  • zeta30
    zeta30 Posts: 40
    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.
    No to all of this. Total bullsh!t.

    5x5 is awesome for beginners. You start with just the bar to work on form and incrementally increase the weight as you progress. It's simple and provides a full body workout in a short amount of time. In your 40s is when you should definitely be lifting heavy (way more often than once a month - that's just stupid) to strengthen/maintain the strength in your joints and connective tissue.
    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.
    I don't know anything about New Rules so I won't speak to it but Stronglifts 5x5 and Starting Strength are both very good beginner programs. You will definitely see gains very quickly with either of these programs.

    When ever I hear someone say you will see fast benefits I always have to call a big BS on them. You do not want to lose weight fast, for one it's not healthy to lose more than 2lbs/week and 2 if you do your more than liely losing water and or muscle. You also can not build muscle fast. The average person can gain about a pound of muscle in a month, women unfortunately will gain a little less. There are some articles about this below:

    http://www.thatsfit.com/2010/06/22/fit-or-fiction-how-long-does-it-take-to-gain-a-pound-of-muscle/
    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/

    I stand behind my last comment about the 5x5, doing advance free weight lifts is just plain not safe for beginners, again an article below to support this. The 5x5 was designed for football athletes to increase strength.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/437360-what-is-the-5x5-workout/
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    Beginners to weight training will see fast results with a 5x5 program. The program is set up in a way that quick progress is seen early on. It is very safe and doesn't employ "advance free weight lifts". It uses the most basic of lifts which should be included in any lifting program.
    I stand behind my last comment about the 5x5, doing advance free weight lifts is just plain not safe for beginners,
    Fine. Don't do it. Enjoy your osteoporosis.
  • Another option to check out is bodybuilding.com. It has videos and photos for different moves. They also have several programs that you can try that are 12 week programs and are geared to specific goals. I recommend Jamie Eason's Live Fit. Her program includes cardio, lifting, and some nutrition information. I have friends that have do NROLFW and love it. Like others I recommend having a personal trainer at least teach you all of the moves.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.
    No to all of this. Total bullsh!t.

    5x5 is awesome for beginners. You start with just the bar to work on form and incrementally increase the weight as you progress. It's simple and provides a full body workout in a short amount of time. In your 40s is when you should definitely be lifting heavy (way more often than once a month - that's just stupid) to strengthen/maintain the strength in your joints and connective tissue.
    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.
    I don't know anything about New Rules so I won't speak to it but Stronglifts 5x5 and Starting Strength are both very good beginner programs. You will definitely see gains very quickly with either of these programs.

    When ever I hear someone say you will see fast benefits I always have to call a big BS on them. You do not want to lose weight fast, for one it's not healthy to lose more than 2lbs/week and 2 if you do your more than liely losing water and or muscle. You also can not build muscle fast. The average person can gain about a pound of muscle in a month, women unfortunately will gain a little less. There are some articles about this below:

    http://www.thatsfit.com/2010/06/22/fit-or-fiction-how-long-does-it-take-to-gain-a-pound-of-muscle/
    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/

    I stand behind my last comment about the 5x5, doing advance free weight lifts is just plain not safe for beginners, again an article below to support this. The 5x5 was designed for football athletes to increase strength.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/437360-what-is-the-5x5-workout/

    That's funny as Starting Strength is pretty much the same format (only 3 x 5) and it is specifically designed for beginners

    <snip>The Starting Strength method
    of training novices is a distillation of Rip’s experiences over three and a half decades as a competitive powerlifter, Olympic weightlifting coach, and gym owner. From its inception in 1984, every new member at WFAC was taught the basic barbell lifts as a part of their membership at the gym, and the application of the basics of powerlifting and Olympic weightlifting to efficiently meet the needs of the general public form the basis of the Starting Strength method, as detailed in Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training and Practical Programming for Strength Training.,<snip>

    And you should not assume that people are talking about muscle gains only when they discuss gains - there are other gains such as strength that can be significant.

    Oh, and he still lifts and he is 56 years old.
  • nexangelus
    nexangelus Posts: 2,080 Member
    I stand behind my last comment about the 5x5, doing advance free weight lifts is just plain not safe for beginners, again an article below to support this. The 5x5 was designed for football athletes to increase strength.

    Dude, all of the programmes have videos accompanying them to show one how to use correct form. And whatever they were originally used for, does not matter, male and female alike can benefit from the heavy lifting programmes out there. You lift heavy at 49 do you not? Only once per month...um...I don't think you are telling us the truth on this one somehow...so only men above 40 can lift heavy, not females? Come on, what is the real deal as to why you are poo pooing heavy lifting with a barbell...?
  • hmadrone
    hmadrone Posts: 129 Member
    I really like Dr. Miriam Nelson's science-based weight-lifting approach for women. I started doing the workouts from her book Strong Women Stay Young years ago, and I found them easy to fit into my schedule, effective, and comfortable to do at home.

    Here's her web site:

    http://www.strongwomen.com
  • mockchoc
    mockchoc Posts: 6,573 Member
    Bumping as I'm being shown how to lift heavy this week, am a woman almost 47 years old and interested in strong lifts information.
  • lhergenr
    lhergenr Posts: 242 Member
    I've never heard of that book but I just read the New Rules of Lifting for Women. I don't agree with everything in the book but it gives a 6 month workout program in it.
    I didn't even read all of the book, I mainly just wanted it for the workout plans.I don't follow the diet guidelines AT ALL. I'm about halfway through, it's definitely going to take me more than 6 months to complete but I'm really happy with it! I checked it out at my library and just keep renewing it.
  • FootsoreRambler
    FootsoreRambler Posts: 80 Member
    Another vote for NROL4W. I'm in stage 3 right now, and I'm enjoying it, and have seen pretty good strength gains so far. Some people have said it's a bit complicated, which may be true, but so far that works for me, b/c I don't have to worry about getting bored! :)

    I also recommend Stumptuous (http://www.stumptuous.com/) for good woman-focused internet reading on weightlifting.
  • Starla_
    Starla_ Posts: 349
    I don't see how 5x5 would be good for someone who has never lifted weights before. I would not recommend this unless you have lifted for a while and understand proper work out form. The risk of injury is too great. If you are getting to be in your 40's or older you shouldn't be lifting heavy more than once a month anyway as the strain on your joints is too severe.
    No to all of this. Total bullsh!t.

    5x5 is awesome for beginners. You start with just the bar to work on form and incrementally increase the weight as you progress. It's simple and provides a full body workout in a short amount of time. In your 40s is when you should definitely be lifting heavy (way more often than once a month - that's just stupid) to strengthen/maintain the strength in your joints and connective tissue.
    A friend at the gym is doing the New Rules of Lifting for Women and I would recommend that over the 5x5. The Rules workout looks tough and if you do it correctly you will get both a cardio and strength workout.
    I don't know anything about New Rules so I won't speak to it but Stronglifts 5x5 and Starting Strength are both very good beginner programs. You will definitely see gains very quickly with either of these programs.

    When ever I hear someone say you will see fast benefits I always have to call a big BS on them. You do not want to lose weight fast, for one it's not healthy to lose more than 2lbs/week and 2 if you do your more than liely losing water and or muscle. You also can not build muscle fast. The average person can gain about a pound of muscle in a month, women unfortunately will gain a little less. There are some articles about this below:

    http://www.thatsfit.com/2010/06/22/fit-or-fiction-how-long-does-it-take-to-gain-a-pound-of-muscle/
    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/

    I stand behind my last comment about the 5x5, doing advance free weight lifts is just plain not safe for beginners, again an article below to support this. The 5x5 was designed for football athletes to increase strength.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/437360-what-is-the-5x5-workout/

    Uh yeah... the fast results you get from stronglifts are not weight loss or muscle gain....

    Its based on basic compound movements, it's not advanced at all and you move at your own pace. I stand by my statement that it's great for beginners and beginners of any age too.