Anyone cut out Dairy, Sugar, Wheat and Pork from diet?
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The naturopath explained to me that there is something in pork makes it harder to digest. Not sure... I don't normally eat a lot of pork other than baccon every once in a while.0
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I have had health problems for several years now. Bouncing from one specialist to the other. I recently was referred to a naturopath that has help a lot of people in my area with natural remedies. I went to see him 6 weeks ago and he instructed me to take specific vitamins and natural pills he prescribed. I saw great improvement in 1 week. I saw him again last week for a follow up and he now instructed me to cut out all dairy, sugar, wheat, pork, coffee and alcohol from my diet for 4 weeks and wants to see me again before I change my diet again.Unfortunately, naturopathy is a hodge-podge of mostly unscientific treatment modalities based on vitalism and other prescientific notions of disease. As a result, typical naturopaths are more than happy in essence to “pick one from column A and one from column B” when it comes to pseudoscience, mixing and matching treatments including traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, herbalism, Ayurvedic medicine, applied kinesiology, anthroposophical medicine, reflexology, craniosacral therapy, Bowen Technique, and pretty much any other form of unscientific or prescientific medicine that you can imagine. Despite their affinity for non-science-based medical systems, naturopaths crave the imprimatur of science. As a result, they desperately try to represent what they do as being science-based, and they’ve even set up research institutes, much like the departments, divisions, and institutes devoted to “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) that have cropped up on the campuses of legitimate medical schools and academic medical centers like so many weeds poking through the cracks in the edifice of science-based medicine. Naturopaths also really, really don’t like it when they encounter criticism that their “discipline” is not science-based. Indeed, the president of the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians, Carl Hangee-Bauer, ND, LAc (he’s an acupuncturist, too!), wrote a revealing post on the official AANP blog entitled Science and Naturopathic Medicine.
Science. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/naturopathy-and-science/
Science isn't infallible and there is no money in blind studies of alternative medicine practices so they're not testing it anyway. That doesn't mean every wacky thing works *cough* raspberry ketones *cough* but jumping on someone for going to a naturopath because traditional medicine isn't working or they don't want to be loaded with chemicals is ridiculous. I know people that had been referred to naturopaths by their MD and it helped a lot. Personally, I cut out wheat because it caused non-digestive issues. Is there a scientific study proving that eating wheat can cause inflammation in joints and irritation of the skin? I have no clue but it does in me. The idea that there must be a per reviewed scientific article on something for it to be true is just as false as the idea that every wacky notion thrown out is true due to anecdotal evidence.0 -
Personally, I would just cut one thing out at a time. See if that helps. If it doesn't, add it back and take something else out. It maybe only be necessary to cut one thing.The naturopath explained to me that there is something in pork makes it harder to digest. Not sure... I don't normally eat a lot of pork other than baccon every once in a while.0 -
Thank you! :happy:0
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I have had health problems for several years now. Bouncing from one specialist to the other. I recently was referred to a naturopath that has help a lot of people in my area with natural remedies. I went to see him 6 weeks ago and he instructed me to take specific vitamins and natural pills he prescribed. I saw great improvement in 1 week. I saw him again last week for a follow up and he now instructed me to cut out all dairy, sugar, wheat, pork, coffee and alcohol from my diet for 4 weeks and wants to see me again before I change my diet again.Unfortunately, naturopathy is a hodge-podge of mostly unscientific treatment modalities based on vitalism and other prescientific notions of disease. As a result, typical naturopaths are more than happy in essence to “pick one from column A and one from column B” when it comes to pseudoscience, mixing and matching treatments including traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, herbalism, Ayurvedic medicine, applied kinesiology, anthroposophical medicine, reflexology, craniosacral therapy, Bowen Technique, and pretty much any other form of unscientific or prescientific medicine that you can imagine. Despite their affinity for non-science-based medical systems, naturopaths crave the imprimatur of science. As a result, they desperately try to represent what they do as being science-based, and they’ve even set up research institutes, much like the departments, divisions, and institutes devoted to “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) that have cropped up on the campuses of legitimate medical schools and academic medical centers like so many weeds poking through the cracks in the edifice of science-based medicine. Naturopaths also really, really don’t like it when they encounter criticism that their “discipline” is not science-based. Indeed, the president of the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians, Carl Hangee-Bauer, ND, LAc (he’s an acupuncturist, too!), wrote a revealing post on the official AANP blog entitled Science and Naturopathic Medicine.
Science. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/naturopathy-and-science/
Science isn't infallible and there is no money in blind studies of alternative medicine practices so they're not testing it anyway. That doesn't mean every wacky thing works *cough* raspberry ketones *cough* but jumping on someone for going to a naturopath because traditional medicine isn't working or they don't want to be loaded with chemicals is ridiculous. I know people that had been referred to naturopaths by their MD and it helped a lot. Personally, I cut out wheat because it caused non-digestive issues. Is there a scientific study proving that eating wheat can cause inflammation in joints and irritation of the skin? I have no clue but it does in me. The idea that there must be a per reviewed scientific article on something for it to be true is just as false as the idea that every wacky notion thrown out is true due to anecdotal evidence.
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Things like wheat and corn can easitly be genetically modified..this is my main reason for trying to stay away from them. Sugar is my next thing I need to focus on and nip that habit in the bud.0
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I'd starve without sugar and dairy and I looooove pork!
Wheat makes me noticeably bloated but I eat it anyways unless I have a photoshoot or if I'm planning to be in a bikini.0 -
I have had health problems for several years now. Bouncing from one specialist to the other. I recently was referred to a naturopath that has help a lot of people in my area with natural remedies. I went to see him 6 weeks ago and he instructed me to take specific vitamins and natural pills he prescribed. I saw great improvement in 1 week. I saw him again last week for a follow up and he now instructed me to cut out all dairy, sugar, wheat, pork, coffee and alcohol from my diet for 4 weeks and wants to see me again before I change my diet again.Unfortunately, naturopathy is a hodge-podge of mostly unscientific treatment modalities based on vitalism and other prescientific notions of disease. As a result, typical naturopaths are more than happy in essence to “pick one from column A and one from column B” when it comes to pseudoscience, mixing and matching treatments including traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, herbalism, Ayurvedic medicine, applied kinesiology, anthroposophical medicine, reflexology, craniosacral therapy, Bowen Technique, and pretty much any other form of unscientific or prescientific medicine that you can imagine. Despite their affinity for non-science-based medical systems, naturopaths crave the imprimatur of science. As a result, they desperately try to represent what they do as being science-based, and they’ve even set up research institutes, much like the departments, divisions, and institutes devoted to “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) that have cropped up on the campuses of legitimate medical schools and academic medical centers like so many weeds poking through the cracks in the edifice of science-based medicine. Naturopaths also really, really don’t like it when they encounter criticism that their “discipline” is not science-based. Indeed, the president of the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians, Carl Hangee-Bauer, ND, LAc (he’s an acupuncturist, too!), wrote a revealing post on the official AANP blog entitled Science and Naturopathic Medicine.
Science. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/naturopathy-and-science/
Science isn't infallible and there is no money in blind studies of alternative medicine practices so they're not testing it anyway. That doesn't mean every wacky thing works *cough* raspberry ketones *cough* but jumping on someone for going to a naturopath because traditional medicine isn't working or they don't want to be loaded with chemicals is ridiculous. I know people that had been referred to naturopaths by their MD and it helped a lot. Personally, I cut out wheat because it caused non-digestive issues. Is there a scientific study proving that eating wheat can cause inflammation in joints and irritation of the skin? I have no clue but it does in me. The idea that there must be a per reviewed scientific article on something for it to be true is just as false as the idea that every wacky notion thrown out is true due to anecdotal evidence.
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Research has put Non-Cealic Gluten sensitivity at .55% of the US Population: http://www.eventscribe.com/2012/acg/ajaxcalls/postersinfo.asp?title=6267
The person you're quoting disagrees, and puts the figure at 6-7%: http://celiacdisease.about.com/b/2012/10/25/study-finds-very-low-gluten-sensitivity-rate-but-dr-fasano-disagrees.htm
Either way, it's a far cry from "most people."
lol that's talking about people who get symptoms from gluten sensitivity. I'm not even saying that most people have reactions to gluten, simply saying that it's not EASY for any person to digest since we don't have the correct enzymes in our bodies to break it down properly. and really I'm not saying that at all. the director of the Center for Celiac Research.
He knows more than both of us.0 -
I just want to say that the issues I was having were bad enough that doctors or specialist couldn't help me with prescription pills. Funny how a few vitamins, supplements and a change in diet has made a huge difference. I don't really care if people don't believe in naturopaths and they think they are quacks. Fact of the matter is, the change is not something that could have changed by telling me if you remove A & B out, you will feel better simply because I was told to believe something. This change happened directly due to the recommendations of the naturopath. This is also a change you can see. Funny how these issues were with me for a number of years and then all of a sudden are gone.0
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I just want to say that the issues I was having were bad enough that doctors or specialist couldn't help me with prescription pills. Funny how a few vitamins, supplements and a change in diet has made a huge difference. I don't really care if people don't believe in naturopaths and they think they are quacks. Fact of the matter is, the change is not something that could have changed by telling me if you remove A & B out, you will feel better simply because I was told to believe something. This change happened directly due to the recommendations of the naturopath. Funny how these issues were with me for a number of years and then all of a sudden are gone.
but. but. but. SCIENCE!?@?!?!?
good for you.
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I doubt anyone has done that before, it's cray cray
It is not crazy, it is his choice. I have been hearing of directions like this doing great things for people. So unless you have advice to offer go crawl back in your troll hole.0 -
Research has put Non-Cealic Gluten sensitivity at .55% of the US Population: http://www.eventscribe.com/2012/acg/ajaxcalls/postersinfo.asp?title=6267
The person you're quoting disagrees, and puts the figure at 6-7%: http://celiacdisease.about.com/b/2012/10/25/study-finds-very-low-gluten-sensitivity-rate-but-dr-fasano-disagrees.htm
Either way, it's a far cry from "most people."
lol that's talking about people who get symptoms from gluten sensitivity. I'm not even saying that most people have reactions to gluten, simply saying that it's not EASY for any person to digest since we don't have the correct enzymes in our bodies to break it down properly. and really I'm not saying that at all. the director of the Center for Celiac Research.
He knows more than both of us.
Ok, so assuming it's true that it's difficult for people to digest wheat, but this doesn't maninfest itself as any detectable symptoms for the vast majority of people, the why would removing wheat from your diet be "incredibly beneficial" for most people?0 -
I have had health problems for several years now. Bouncing from one specialist to the other. I recently was referred to a naturopath that has help a lot of people in my area with natural remedies. I went to see him 6 weeks ago and he instructed me to take specific vitamins and natural pills he prescribed. I saw great improvement in 1 week. I saw him again last week for a follow up and he now instructed me to cut out all dairy, sugar, wheat, pork, coffee and alcohol from my diet for 4 weeks and wants to see me again before I change my diet again.
Well let me tell you this, I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't stuck to this %100, but I feel great in just 1 week. I have more energy in the mornings. (I have never been a morning person) I have also lost about 5 lbs of bloating and water. I have to admit it is extremely hard to stick to it because of the time it takes to prepare all my meals compared to grabbing something on the way to work. But, the results are too good to switch back to the way I was eating.
Anyone else cut out these foods or don't eat them to start with and feel fanatastic?
You are attributing how you feel to removing four foods, but the change could be down to dropping just one of those foods OR to adding what you are having instead OR a combination. By the sound of it you haven't even just dropped four ingredients, you've dropped ready made/ processed foods which likely contain white carbs, sodium and any number of additives. You could have just switched to a homecooked wholefoods diet keeping natural dairy, minimally processed pork/ wholewheat (ie. not cured pork products or bread) and and got the same effect, we will never know.
Personally I think it's a shame you have seen mainstream medical specialists and none have suggests you clean up your diet, eat more nutrient rich foods and limit ready made/ processed stuff before now. I see that all too often (work in lifestyle healthcare). There is plenty of research supporting diet modification in a raft of conditions. We are what we eat and all that.0 -
I'd have *****-slapped him the moment "pork" came out of his mouth.
Me too, LOL. I have GOT to have my pork!!
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I just want to say that the issues I was having were bad enough that doctors or specialist couldn't help me with prescription pills. Funny how a few vitamins, supplements and a change in diet has made a huge difference. I don't really care if people don't believe in naturopaths and they think they are quacks. Fact of the matter is, the change is not something that could have changed by telling me if you remove A & B out, you will feel better simply because I was told to believe something. This change happened directly due to the recommendations of the naturopath. This is also a change you can see. Funny how these issues were with me for a number of years and then all of a sudden are gone.
That is awesome! I too will say I was skeptical of naturopathic ways. Ironically enough my nephew just finished his 6 years of schooling to become a naturopathic doctor (yes, they are actual doctors). Discussions with him has made me realize that there is actually a LOT of testing a research that goes into this profession. Science to back up claims is a good thing.
I realize that many main stream doctors do not support this direction, but we might want to consider why. Drug companies are the lifeblood of doctors. There are many 'perks' that are given to doctors from said drug companies. Doctors therefore have a conflict of interest. They now prescribe drugs as a first course of action because they benefit from it.
Naturopaths on the other hand use natural products like herbs. A major part of a naturopaths direction is isolating the root cause of the problem. So they will have people eliminate a bunch of foods and slowly introduce things back in to see when the problems start. Thereby isolating the root cause of the problem. Not just treating the symptoms like other doctors do today.
I have been doing my own research and have eliminated refined/processed foods and sugars from my diet. After a week I am feeling better than I ever did with those things in my diet. I still eat pork, wheat, and occasional dairy, but it just shows that you might not have to eliminate all of those.0 -
I have had health problems for several years now. Bouncing from one specialist to the other. I recently was referred to a naturopath that has help a lot of people in my area with natural remedies. I went to see him 6 weeks ago and he instructed me to take specific vitamins and natural pills he prescribed. I saw great improvement in 1 week. I saw him again last week for a follow up and he now instructed me to cut out all dairy, sugar, wheat, pork, coffee and alcohol from my diet for 4 weeks and wants to see me again before I change my diet again.
Well let me tell you this, I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't stuck to this %100, but I feel great in just 1 week. I have more energy in the mornings. (I have never been a morning person) I have also lost about 5 lbs of bloating and water. I have to admit it is extremely hard to stick to it because of the time it takes to prepare all my meals compared to grabbing something on the way to work. But, the results are too good to switch back to the way I was eating.
Anyone else cut out these foods or don't eat them to start with and feel fanatastic?
You are attributing how you feel to removing four foods, but the change could be down to dropping just one of those foods OR to adding what you are having instead OR a combination. By the sound of it you haven't even just dropped four ingredients, you've dropped ready made/ processed foods which likely contain white carbs, sodium and any number of additives. You could have just switched to a homecooked wholefoods diet keeping natural dairy, minimally processed pork/ wholewheat (ie. not cured pork products or bread) and and got the same effect, we will never know.
Personally I think it's a shame you have seen mainstream medical specialists and none have suggests you clean up your diet, eat more nutrient rich foods and limit ready made/ processed stuff before now. I see that all too often (work in lifestyle healthcare). There is plenty of research supporting diet modification in a raft of conditions. We are what we eat and all that.
So true, I wish mainstream doctors would wake up and start thinking outside the box. They are creatures of habit just like the rest of us though. prescribing meds is what they are used to doing. Plus the perks from drug companies don't hurt to keep them on the wrong path too.0 -
Hell no. Those are four of my favorite things.
LOL Agreed No way I am giving up any of those......0 -
I found that when I cut out all meat, grains, protein, dairy, sodium, carbs, gluten, and sugar I lose weight like craaaaazy!0
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The naturopath explained to me that there is something in pork makes it harder to digest. Not sure... I don't normally eat a lot of pork other than baccon every once in a while.
I see too many people who claim that gluten is a problem for them, when you start investigating it's just not that simple - the vast majority of what they are eating is heavily processed wheat, super finely ground refined modern white wheat flour to which has been added all sorts of unnatural or unhealthy ingredients - breakfast cereals, cakes, biscuits (cookies), longlife bread and white pasta.
They are filling their bodies with this stuff three times a day, our bodies evolved processing small amounts of unprocessed wholegrains that we gathered from our environment. Is it really the wheat that is the problem, the gluten that is the problem, the sheer volume that is the problem or the combinations of toxic ingredients? Plenty of clients see quick improvements by switching from processed crap to whole carbs, eating more fruit and veg, more oily fish or a supplement, sometimes a course of freeze dried probiotics. Suddenly their body can deal with sensible quantities of minimally processed wheat absolutely fine. Hmmm.0 -
Research has put Non-Cealic Gluten sensitivity at .55% of the US Population: http://www.eventscribe.com/2012/acg/ajaxcalls/postersinfo.asp?title=6267
The person you're quoting disagrees, and puts the figure at 6-7%: http://celiacdisease.about.com/b/2012/10/25/study-finds-very-low-gluten-sensitivity-rate-but-dr-fasano-disagrees.htm
Either way, it's a far cry from "most people."
lol that's talking about people who get symptoms from gluten sensitivity. I'm not even saying that most people have reactions to gluten, simply saying that it's not EASY for any person to digest since we don't have the correct enzymes in our bodies to break it down properly. and really I'm not saying that at all. the director of the Center for Celiac Research.
He knows more than both of us.
If we don't have the correct enzymes to break down the food, the incidence of gluten sensitivity or full-blown Celiac's would be much higher than a possible 7%.0 -
I have had health problems for several years now. Bouncing from one specialist to the other. I recently was referred to a naturopath that has help a lot of people in my area with natural remedies. I went to see him 6 weeks ago and he instructed me to take specific vitamins and natural pills he prescribed. I saw great improvement in 1 week. I saw him again last week for a follow up and he now instructed me to cut out all dairy, sugar, wheat, pork, coffee and alcohol from my diet for 4 weeks and wants to see me again before I change my diet again.Unfortunately, naturopathy is a hodge-podge of mostly unscientific treatment modalities based on vitalism and other prescientific notions of disease. As a result, typical naturopaths are more than happy in essence to “pick one from column A and one from column B” when it comes to pseudoscience, mixing and matching treatments including traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, herbalism, Ayurvedic medicine, applied kinesiology, anthroposophical medicine, reflexology, craniosacral therapy, Bowen Technique, and pretty much any other form of unscientific or prescientific medicine that you can imagine. Despite their affinity for non-science-based medical systems, naturopaths crave the imprimatur of science. As a result, they desperately try to represent what they do as being science-based, and they’ve even set up research institutes, much like the departments, divisions, and institutes devoted to “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) that have cropped up on the campuses of legitimate medical schools and academic medical centers like so many weeds poking through the cracks in the edifice of science-based medicine. Naturopaths also really, really don’t like it when they encounter criticism that their “discipline” is not science-based. Indeed, the president of the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians, Carl Hangee-Bauer, ND, LAc (he’s an acupuncturist, too!), wrote a revealing post on the official AANP blog entitled Science and Naturopathic Medicine.
Science. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/naturopathy-and-science/
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I'm glad you're having a good experience.
Your post just made me start thinking about having a pork and ale sausages though.0 -
Interesting combo....0
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Soon..all that will be left to eat/drink will be air. *sigh* That or we'll solely be living off of pills/supplements. I hope I'm not around for that.0
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I found that when I cut out all meat, grains, protein, dairy, sodium, carbs, gluten, and sugar I lose weight like craaaaazy!
I wasn't doing this to loose weight...0 -
I've cut out wheat, not because I think it's some weight-loss miracle to do so, but because I learned I could live without it, and it freed up more calories for delicious dead beast. I still eat dairy, sugar, and, obviously, pork.
I tend to avoid "doctors" who advocate giving up huge categories of food like they have just discovered gold. It's only natural that someone with inflammation or who is overweight or perhaps lactose intolerant would feel better if they cut out wheat, sugar, and dairy. I think most of the benefit is psychological. The quack said you would feel better if you gave up x, y, and z, so you did, and you think you feel better. He'll keep telling you to cut stuff out, and you'll keep doing it, and eventually, the only thing you'll be able to eat is berries, and then you'll swear that people are healthiest when they eat only berries.
^ THIS.
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I find it funny how people just comment to comment. If you want to tell me your eating pork, that is not what I was asking. I was asking people that cut these foods from their diets. Also, I am not starving. There's a huge variety of food that you can eat. The 4 that I listed are just the ones that people have a hard time giving up.0
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The naturopath explained to me that there is something in pork makes it harder to digest. Not sure... I don't normally eat a lot of pork other than baccon every once in a while.
I see too many people who claim that gluten is a problem for them, when you start investigating it's just not that simple - the vast majority of what they are eating is heavily processed wheat, super finely ground refined modern white wheat flour to which has been added all sorts of unnatural or unhealthy ingredients - breakfast cereals, cakes, biscuits (cookies), longlife bread and white pasta.
They are filling their bodies with this stuff three times a day, our bodies evolved processing small amounts of unprocessed wholegrains that we gathered from our environment. Is it really the wheat that is the problem, the gluten that is the problem, the sheer volume that is the problem or the combinations of toxic ingredients? Plenty of clients see quick improvements by switching from processed crap to whole carbs, eating more fruit and veg, more oily fish or a supplement, sometimes a course of freeze dried probiotics. Suddenly their body can deal with sensible quantities of minimally processed wheat absolutely fine. Hmmm.
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I have a recipe for a planko and cheese crusted pork chop in a sweet white wine sauce if you're interested
OM nom nom.
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