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  • leilaphoenix
    leilaphoenix Posts: 839 Member
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    I wasn't suggesting that one causes the other. The misunderstanding of the public of causality (or not) in scientific outcomes is a bit problem in our society.

    However, this of course means that it you want to lower your risks of diabetes, losing weight would be a good step in the right direction, whatever the nature of the 'link'. And considering it is good for your general health anyway, it is a obvious choice.
  • Melampus
    Melampus Posts: 95 Member
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    the link I provided and the people in it would disagree. I have a friend with Type 1 diabetes who is almost completely off his meds after going mostly raw vegan. Should we believe mainstream health-science on this? I mean what do they have to gain finding a cure? Same thing with cancer... Money is in the treatment...

    I guess it all depends on exactly what you mean by "cure".

    Type 1 diabetes is not like type 2. Type 1 is an autoimmune disease in which the body's immune system kills off the cells in the pancrease that make insulin. Changing one's diet or taking exercise is not going to restore those cells and in that respect type 1 is incurable.

    Taking mediaction for type 1 diabetes is a way of controlling it. Taking insulin to match the food eaten is a way to avoid the hyperglycemia (hight blood sugar) that would otherwise result. Another way of avoiding high blood sugar would be a diet that either does not deliver any glucose to the bloodstream or does so so very slowly that the body is using it up as fast as it is going into the blood stream.

    As I said at the start a it depends on what you mean by a cure. Typically a technique that avoids symptoms without fixing an underlying defect is called control rather than a cure but if you see it as equivalent to a cure then that's fine.
  • Superchas
    Superchas Posts: 129 Member
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    Every doctor who has ever looked at me in my bloated state was surprised I did not have diabetes so may have dodged a bullet.

    Normal stuff about how to stop diabetes healthy lifestyle choices from mayo clinic

    Even if diabetes runs in your family, diet and exercise can help you prevent the disease. If you've already been diagnosed with diabetes, the same healthy lifestyle choices can help you prevent potentially serious complications. And if you have prediabetes, lifestyle changes can slow or halt the progression from prediabetes to diabetes.

    Eat healthy foods. Choose foods low in fat and calories. Focus on fruits, vegetables and whole grains. For every 1,000 calories you consume, try to have at least 14 grams of fiber, because fiber helps control blood sugar levels.

    Get physical. Aim for 30 minutes of moderate physical activity a day. Take a brisk daily walk. Ride a bike. Swim laps. If you can't fit in a long workout, spread 10-minute or longer sessions throughout the day.

    Lose excess pounds. If you're overweight, losing 5 to 10 percent of your body weight can reduce the risk of diabetes. To keep your weight in a healthy range, focus on permanent changes to your eating and exercise habits. Motivate yourself by remembering the benefits of losing weight, such as a healthier heart, more energy and improved self-esteem.

    I have had all sorts of complications from carrying around an extra person but finally been given all clear on liver, legs, blood pressure and am not going back.

    Ignored all of the advice above for too long but get on the programme and as long as when you fall off the horse you get back on as soon as possible anything is possible

    good luck
  • jjrichard83
    jjrichard83 Posts: 483 Member
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    these people (and my friend from BC with type one) do not rely on their meds even 1/2 as much on that diet, and people with type two - most have completely stopped their meds all together. I didn't know if it was a propaganda piece to market their way, but I do believe my buddy, and if he says he's hardly ever having to give himself shots as opposed to before, then I have to believe it was the diet as that was the only thing that changed.
  • jjrichard83
    jjrichard83 Posts: 483 Member
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    the link I provided and the people in it would disagree. I have a friend with Type 1 diabetes who is almost completely off his meds after going mostly raw vegan. Should we believe mainstream health-science on this? I mean what do they have to gain finding a cure? Same thing with cancer... Money is in the treatment...

    I guess it all depends on exactly what you mean by "cure".

    Type 1 diabetes is not like type 2. Type 1 is an autoimmune disease in which the body's immune system kills off the cells in the pancrease that make insulin. Changing one's diet or taking exercise is not going to restore those cells and in that respect type 1 is incurable.

    Taking mediaction for type 1 diabetes is a way of controlling it. Taking insulin to match the food eaten is a way to avoid the hyperglycemia (hight blood sugar) that would otherwise result. Another way of avoiding high blood sugar would be a diet that either does not deliver any glucose to the bloodstream or does so so very slowly that the body is using it up as fast as it is going into the blood stream.

    As I said at the start a it depends on what you mean by a cure. Typically a technique that avoids symptoms without fixing an underlying defect is called control rather than a cure but if you see it as equivalent to a cure then that's fine.

    I don't know enough about it, I just listend to a friend and watched a few videos on it. However if I did have any kind of diabetes I'd def try it. nothing to lose and a whole bunch to gain
  • BigG59
    BigG59 Posts: 396 Member
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    Here's the thing... there are plenty of people at a normal weight that have T2 diabetes and plenty of obese people who do not have and never will have it so being overweight does not actually cause it.

    I'm not sure that you know what you are talking about at all. Try to read some peer reviewed science rather than random opinions on the internet . Type 2 diabetes is very closely related to weight.

    Actually you are both correct.

    Diabetes is the inability of the Pancreas to generate enough Insulin. Insulin resistance caused by being overweight puts strain on the Pancreas and in some, but, not all over weight people they get T2 Diabetes as a result. This is why T2 Diabetes is associated with being over weight. From research I have read since being diagnosed the level of people being overweight and going on to get the disease is not as high as you would imagine. I have seen various figures, but, the one that sticks in my mind is 20%.

    In thin people their Pancreas may stop generating insulin for other reasons.

    As to comments about people being "cured" of diabetes, there is no "cure" . You can control it as I have with diet and exercise (no medication) and get your HbA1C levels below 6% (the pre-diabetic).
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
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    As I said at the start a it depends on what you mean by a cure. Typically a technique that avoids symptoms without fixing an underlying defect is called control rather than a cure but if you see it as equivalent to a cure then that's fine.

    I tire a bit from all of the barking about "it's not a cure".

    If you alter your habits such that you no longer have any symptoms and no longer require any medication and if your risk profile returns to "normal" - you can call it whatever you want (and good job!)

    But sure, you know that if you return to your old habits - you know where you'll be in time.

    I don't find it that much different than the alcoholic who stops drinking too much or the fat person who stops eating too much. Opinions vary, but I would not call them an alcoholic or a fat person any more.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
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    It's not conclusive, but current science holds that there is a link between obesity and Type 2 Diabetes. One of my siblings was told to lose weight or else s/he'd have to go on diabetes medication. Both my parents, who were thin when young, gained a lot of weight and they have Type 2 Diabetes. A doctor told me that no one knew for sure whether I'd avoid diabetes by maintaining a normal weight, but it would never be a negative. Being seriously overweight is always going to make being ill harder.

    What have you got to lose?
  • nsblue
    nsblue Posts: 331 Member
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    I was diagnosed with pre diabetes about a month and a half ago . Since then I have lost around 12 pounds and I've been exercising and taking my glucose readings . My question is do you believe that pre diebetes can be cured by losing weight , eating right and exercise ? I read a lot online . There are many doctors who believe that most people who are diagnosed pre diabetic will become full blown diabetic in 2-4 years . I want to do everything I can to get healthy . I don't want to ever be diagnosed full blown type 2 .

    Being pre diabetic basically tells you that your body is prone to have problems with sugar if not controlled..
    I have had it drilled into my head...once a diabetic always a diabetic...but we have the power to control it and it not control or destroy us.
    3 years ago I was on 170 units of insulin. weight loss, diet and exercise has gotten me down to having to have NO insulin and my sugars are controlled and are great. some may say i am cured lol.... i say I am in control
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
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    Here's the thing... there are plenty of people at a normal weight that have T2 diabetes and plenty of obese people who do not have and never will have it so being overweight does not actually cause it.

    I'm not sure that you know what you are talking about at all. Try to read some peer reviewed science rather than random opinions on the internet . Type 2 diabetes is very closely related to weight.

    Actually you are both correct.

    Diabetes is the inability of the Pancreas to generate enough Insulin. Insulin resistance caused by being overweight puts strain on the Pancreas and in some, but, not all over weight people they get T2 Diabetes as a result. This is why T2 Diabetes is associated with being over weight. From research I have read since being diagnosed the level of people being overweight and going on to get the disease is not as high as you would imagine. I have seen various figures, but, the one that sticks in my mind is 20%.

    In thin people their Pancreas may stop generating insulin for other reasons.

    As to comments about people being "cured" of diabetes, there is no "cure" . You can control it as I have with diet and exercise (no medication) and get your HbA1C levels below 6% (the pre-diabetic).

    Similarly, not everyone who has high cholesterol is overweight. But I hate it when cholesterol drug companies run commercials featuring patients who are thin and active when the reality is most of the candidates for the medication are not.
  • di1428
    di1428 Posts: 165 Member
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    I was diagnosed with pre diabetes about a month and a half ago . Since then I have lost around 12 pounds and I've been exercising and taking my glucose readings . My question is do you believe that pre diebetes can be cured by losing weight , eating right and exercise ? I read a lot online . There are many doctors who believe that most people who are diagnosed pre diabetic will become full blown diabetic in 2-4 years . I want to do everything I can to get healthy . I don't want to ever be diagnosed full blown type 2 .

    i too was told i was pre-diabetes and everything my dr said and what i read that it
    is reversable...
    changed my eating and followed the south beach plan as my dr suggested as its a low
    sugar plan and lost over 40lbs but better yet all my blood work is now normal and not in
    the pre-diabetic stage.
    so absolutely diet and excercise can change your outcome and make you healthy!
  • saxmaniac
    saxmaniac Posts: 1,133 Member
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    the link I provided and the people in it would disagree. I have a friend with Type 1 diabetes who is almost completely off his meds after going mostly raw vegan. Should we believe mainstream health-science on this? I mean what do they have to gain finding a cure? Same thing with cancer... Money is in the treatment...

    Your friend was misdiagnosed. If a type 1 goes off insulin, they will die. He probably is a type 2 who was on insulin, and thought that insulin means type 1.
  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
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    Can diabetes be cured by losing weight, eating right and exercise?

    No, it is a progressive disease, but you can control your glucose levels and prevent complications from high glucose levels. In addition, you can slow the progression of your diabetes by diet, weight, exercise, and medication.

    My diabetes is controlled, but all I need to do is consume a “normal ” (for a non diabetic) amount of carbohydrates in any form, and my glucose spikes way up.

    the link I provided and the people in it would disagree. I have a friend with Type 1 diabetes who is almost completely off his meds after going mostly raw vegan. Should we believe mainstream health-science on this? I mean what do they have to gain finding a cure? Same thing with cancer... Money is in the treatment...

    I am a Type 2 diabetic (diagnosed in 2009) and to my knowledge and anyone can link some peer review studies here, but there is No Cure for diabetes, period.. Atleast not of yet... Once a diabetic, always a diabetic. Now that being said the progression of the disease CAN be slowed and in some people reversed to the effect that they no longer have to take meds and can control it with diet and exercise. But make no mistake until a cure comes, even doing everything right there is still the chance later in life that the disease moves beyond your approach to control it and destroys the rest of the receptors you have left and then the person is left with no other choice but to go on insulin to regulate their blood sugars. I started out at 560 lbs. with A1c at 10.0 (full blown type 2 diabetic) my Endo Dr.'s exact words was lose the weight, lose the Diabetes (meaning if the weight comes off I can reverse the affects of my diabetes, but not cure it.) 311 lbs. lost and 42 months later, I have normal A1c of 5.3 average and am off all meds accept Metformin (which my doctor believes is a preventative to protect what receptors I have left.) OP I can attest to the fact that most definitely by exercising and eating right and maintaining this lifestyle you can reverse the effects (are you at greater risk than someone not pre-diabetic, most definitely) but use this news as a wake up call to take control of your life and start moving down that healthy path.... Best of Luck to you.....
  • hdjjones
    hdjjones Posts: 130 Member
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    Yes, you can turn this around with weight loss and excersice
  • tlacox1
    tlacox1 Posts: 373 Member
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    I have a friend who was diagnosed full blown diabetes. A few years later he lost almost 200 pounds and now his sugar levels read like he doesn't even have diabetes anymore. He doesn't even have to take medications now so yes, I truly believe that you can.
  • BrawlerBella
    BrawlerBella Posts: 400 Member
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    I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes 4 years ago. After birth it did not go away as predicted. Since then I have been maintainting my Type 2 Diabetes & HBP on track without medication! My lifestyle change was the key element. I lost both parents way to early to this disease. I thank God everyday for placing the proper people in my life to beat Diabetes!!
  • Live_To_Kayak
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    Here's the thing... there are plenty of people at a normal weight that have T2 diabetes and plenty of obese people who do not have and never will have it so being overweight does not actually cause it.

    I'm not sure that you know what you are talking about at all. Try to read some peer reviewed science rather than random opinions on the internet . Type 2 diabetes is very closely related to weight.

    I read that people can appear skinny on the outside but can have a tendency to collect fat around their internal organs that can lead to diabetes.
  • kbanzhaf
    kbanzhaf Posts: 601 Member
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    The diagnosis of pre-diabetes is what prompted my weight loss beginning six years ago. Since I lost the weight, all of my blood sugar tests have been normal. I continue to watch what I eat, and walk as often as I can. I have gained back some of what I initially lost, but I remain at a very healthy weight for my age and activity level.
    SO...to answer your question, yes, weight loss and watching your diet can help you prevent full-blown diabetes.
    Kaye
  • Melampus
    Melampus Posts: 95 Member
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    Diabetes is the inability of the Pancreas to generate enough Insulin.

    Not according to Diabetes UK. From their website:
    Diabetes is a condition where the amount of glucose in your blood is too high because the body cannot use it properly.

    It goes on to mention insufficient insulin (type one) or insulin resistance (type 2) as the reasons why the glucose level would be high but, because the mechanism is so different for type 1 and type 2 it is worth being clear about what would apply to one, the other or both.
    Insulin resistance caused by being overweight puts strain on the Pancreas...

    Regarding the strain on the pancreas the reading I have done suggests that the high glucose level only appears, and thus causes type 2 diabetes to be diagnosed, when the extent of insulin resistance is such that the pancreas can no longer compensate by increasing insulin production.

    In that respect it is a bit like going gradually deaf and turning up the volume on the TV to compensate and only going to the hearing clinic when the volume control on the TV is now at a maximum and you still can't hear what is being said. There is nothing wrong with the TV, only with your hearing.

    This also means that there can be many people with some degree of insulin resistance who have not (yet) reached that critical point. For those people insulin levels would be expected to be high (rather than sugar levels) but otherwise there may be no symptoms.

    Regarding the link between being overweight and insulin resistance, whether or not the latter has yet led to type 2 diabetes, I think everyone agrees the two often go together and there must be a reason for that. I am not as sure as you are, though, that being overweight directly causes insulin resistance. What would be the mechanism by which being overweight would cause insulin resistance.

    Why would the muscles of an overweight person be less likely to respond to insulin by using glucose for energy than someone of healthy weight, all other things being equal? The muscles of an idle person would be less likely to use the glucose because they have less need of energy than those of an active person and an idle person is more likely to be overweight so that would be a common cause rather than cause and effect.

    What about the other route for the glucose to be removed from the blood - conversion in the liver to either glycogen or fatty acids. Why would an overweight persons liver be less effective at doing that? I am not saying it won't be, just that I don't know by what mechanism.

    The other theory I have seen proposed is that the resistance is simply due to the tissues that respond to insulin being exposed to high levels for much of the time such that they become desensitised. This would be typical in a person who eats many more calories than he uses with many of those coming from carbohydrates. That would mean the mechanism for controlling blood sugar is always working in one direction - removing the excess and storing it so insulin levels will be high and the excess calories will be being converted into fat. If you accept this theory it would also be a case of a common cause for the insulin resistance and the being overweight.

    If you believe the theory above this means if you suspect you may have insulin resistance and are at the same time overweight you must either take more exercise or eat fewer calories in the form of carbohydrates, whether as part of a balanced reduction in calories across all macronutrients or by tackling them disproportionally or, preferentially, a combination of both (exercise and diet).

    And if you don't believe that theory you should still be matching calories used to calories consumed by diet, exercise or the combination of the two to reduce excess weight.
  • dchrismer
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    I was diagnosed a type 2 in 2002. I exercised and diet and it went away till 2009. I went back to my old ways and it came back stronger. My work is using a computor all day, no exercise I am now taking meds but am decreasing them as I lose weight. About 50 lbs so far and another 70 lbs to go. You are doing the right thing, just don't ever stop. I have some friends that are pre-diabetes and are doing quite well by controlling their diet and activity. Good luck, you can do it! Feel free to add me as a friend if you like.