Bit of advice needed
libbymcbain
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Hello
I am a bit worried about a friend of mine. We are very close, so close we call one another brother and sister- this is because we are both adult "orphans" with no siblings, so we are one another's family in a way. He lost his mum a couple of years ago, me a couple of years before that and we have really come to support one another. He gave me away when I got married last year.
There is no sexual subtext to this- he is gay and I am married. We have known one another about 12 years, and been really close for the last 5 or 6.
Anyway. He is not long out of a long-term relationship which was physically abusive. He is now living with a close mutual friend- they are buying a house together (it's in a big city where it is difficult to be able to afford to buy on your own). This is a very sensible thing for him to do, I think in the long-term it will give him the security and stability he craves.
The difficult thing is, he is plunging pretty headlong into a relationship with a guy, who in some ways seems good (for a start, I don't think he is the type to get busy with his fists like the last one), but who has some big red flags. The biggest one being the meth.
My friend is stable and holding down a responsible job. His boyfriend does too.
My friend has in the last year or so, spoken to me a few times about feeling lost since his mum died, about looking for something spiritual or religious to fill the gap. But recently, he has been clamming up, being secretive. On a recent night out, he kept disappearing and it was pretty obvious what he was up to. I've known that he used drugs recreationally for a while, but I do view the meth as something a lot more serious than he's been involved with before. I also think his new boyfriend is involved at a pretty serious level.
My dilemma is simple. I just don't know what to do.
I have thought about being very direct and confronting him about this behaviour and what he is getting into. that might work, but I have seen someone (a friend of a friend) slide into heroin addiction before, and say how he alienated himself from the friends who cared enough to be upfront with their concerns.
When my friend and his new boyfriend split up for a bit and my friend was more open with me about what the guy was into I did make it clear that that was something, if I was in my friend's place, would be a deal breaker for me.
I have also thought about just being available for him when he needs me, being very unconditional and supportive and seeing what happens. My trouble with this is I am not sure I can do it, out of self-respect. I did go through the emotional wringer with him a lot over the abusive guy- it took him a good while to leave and I found it very emotionally draining to go through that with him. It's pretty much straight into the next high drama relationship and I don;t know if I can sustain the non-judgemental, non-interventionist attitude without worrying myself sick again (sleepless nights, nightmares etc). I'm not a particularly passive personality. I also have my own mountains to climb just now, both personally and professionally.
My husband thinks I should put up my emotional guards a little, try to avoid socialising with my friend in situations where the behaviour is to very obvious (i.e. on a Saturday night- meet him during the day or during the week instead), protect myself a bit and build up my strength so if there is a time he does reach out and does need me, I have the capacity to do it. I think this is very sensible advice, but following this even a little initially, I can tell that my friend knows that something is up. And I plain just don't know if I can detach myself like that- I do love my friend very much.
So, is there some option I'm not seeing, or do I just need to bite the bullet and take one of the options above. I would particularly welcome any advice about how to continue to care without driving myself insane in the process.
Thanks in advance.
I am a bit worried about a friend of mine. We are very close, so close we call one another brother and sister- this is because we are both adult "orphans" with no siblings, so we are one another's family in a way. He lost his mum a couple of years ago, me a couple of years before that and we have really come to support one another. He gave me away when I got married last year.
There is no sexual subtext to this- he is gay and I am married. We have known one another about 12 years, and been really close for the last 5 or 6.
Anyway. He is not long out of a long-term relationship which was physically abusive. He is now living with a close mutual friend- they are buying a house together (it's in a big city where it is difficult to be able to afford to buy on your own). This is a very sensible thing for him to do, I think in the long-term it will give him the security and stability he craves.
The difficult thing is, he is plunging pretty headlong into a relationship with a guy, who in some ways seems good (for a start, I don't think he is the type to get busy with his fists like the last one), but who has some big red flags. The biggest one being the meth.
My friend is stable and holding down a responsible job. His boyfriend does too.
My friend has in the last year or so, spoken to me a few times about feeling lost since his mum died, about looking for something spiritual or religious to fill the gap. But recently, he has been clamming up, being secretive. On a recent night out, he kept disappearing and it was pretty obvious what he was up to. I've known that he used drugs recreationally for a while, but I do view the meth as something a lot more serious than he's been involved with before. I also think his new boyfriend is involved at a pretty serious level.
My dilemma is simple. I just don't know what to do.
I have thought about being very direct and confronting him about this behaviour and what he is getting into. that might work, but I have seen someone (a friend of a friend) slide into heroin addiction before, and say how he alienated himself from the friends who cared enough to be upfront with their concerns.
When my friend and his new boyfriend split up for a bit and my friend was more open with me about what the guy was into I did make it clear that that was something, if I was in my friend's place, would be a deal breaker for me.
I have also thought about just being available for him when he needs me, being very unconditional and supportive and seeing what happens. My trouble with this is I am not sure I can do it, out of self-respect. I did go through the emotional wringer with him a lot over the abusive guy- it took him a good while to leave and I found it very emotionally draining to go through that with him. It's pretty much straight into the next high drama relationship and I don;t know if I can sustain the non-judgemental, non-interventionist attitude without worrying myself sick again (sleepless nights, nightmares etc). I'm not a particularly passive personality. I also have my own mountains to climb just now, both personally and professionally.
My husband thinks I should put up my emotional guards a little, try to avoid socialising with my friend in situations where the behaviour is to very obvious (i.e. on a Saturday night- meet him during the day or during the week instead), protect myself a bit and build up my strength so if there is a time he does reach out and does need me, I have the capacity to do it. I think this is very sensible advice, but following this even a little initially, I can tell that my friend knows that something is up. And I plain just don't know if I can detach myself like that- I do love my friend very much.
So, is there some option I'm not seeing, or do I just need to bite the bullet and take one of the options above. I would particularly welcome any advice about how to continue to care without driving myself insane in the process.
Thanks in advance.
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Hells bells Libby
You are already an amazing friend to be so worried. It's impossible for me to advise you what to do but, if it were me in your situation, I think I would have to say something to my friend, whether it caused problems between us or not.
This is what friends are for surely? For the good times and the bad times.
Would he do it for you?
I couldn't detach myself from it either - you love your friend and care about what happens to him.
If you say nothing and the situation gets worse, you'll kick yourself for having the opportunity to say/do something and not having done it. Having said that, if you do speak out it is possible that your friend won't take it in the way that it is intended and it could cause problems between you - but surely that's a risk that's worth taking?
Try to put yourself in his situation... if you were in trouble but were too close to see it, would you want your friend to help you?
I'll probably be posting again after I've read what other people have to say.... :-)
You are a good friend - he is lucky to have you0 -
Thanks Dovetail22, for such good advice so quickly. I think you are right, one of the reasons I am struggling with this is because I would kick myself (hard, extensively and for a long time) if I don't say anything. Thank you for saying such kind things too.0
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I have been in situations similar to this one, and I know how emotionally taxing it can be to care for someone who is in a bad situation. My experience has taught me that you cannot force anyone to do something, even if you think/know it is wrong. Sometimes you just have to do exactly as you said, give your support and express concern but back off. Basically, you could confront the behavior until you are blue in the face but you will not be able to make decisions for him. AT THE SAME TIME be careful not to be an enabler of his habits. This is hard also but you definitely do not want to aid him in his destructive habits in any way, even if it means him being mad at you. In conclusion, I agree with your husband. From experience it is the best way to avoid getting emotionally strung out.0
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^ this.
Wow, that is rough. Your friend is rebounding, and he's making terrible decisions. Hopefully he will see the situation for what it is very soon. It is absolutely okay for you to express your disapproval, and it may cause some alienation. But when your friend and this guy split, make it clear to him that you will be there when he has his head back on his shoulders. I just hope he doesn't get into the stuff himself.0 -
Similar situation, except the user was/is my son. I've spoken with him about it and asked him if he could get involved with NA (as he was in the past). He said he'd go to meetings before he'd use again. However, sometimes I think I see the signs that he is using, but he denies it, and his girlfriend backs him up.
His life, his choices. It's hard.
I think you have to at least have the talk.0 -
I had a bit of a talk with my husband about this at lunchtime too, after reading what everyone has said. So I am a lot clearer now. I realise that I am angry with him for doing this to himself. And that is a sign that I do need to be clear with my friend that I think that he is putting himself in harm's way. But I also need to say that once, quickly, plainly, simply. Then I need to be there if my friend wants it, but not run after him over this either.
Thank you, this has really helped me get a bit of perspective.0 -
Hey Libby,
It is an incredibly difficult situation, and I can actually relate on a lot of levels. Basically, I think you do need to have a direct confrontation. But "confrontation" doesn't mean that you have to have an aggressive conversation or badger him... but my guess is the fact that he is being secretive about it around you simply illustrates that he knows how you would feel about it if he was upfront with you (and also, deep down, he probably realizes it's not a healthy or sustainable coping strategy). But if I were you- for your own peace of mind at LEAST- you need to very directly air your concerns to him. Meth is no joke. It took down a friend of mine from high school and also my cousin.
Try this... Think in the very worst terms: were something horrible to happen to him, would you have any regrets, and if so, what are they? For me, I personally would torture myself wondering, if I had said something, could it have made a difference. If you say something, the behavior continues and/or he alienates you, at least you will know that you tried to help him. Then you need to decide, pending the outcome of your direct confrontation, how you want to proceed. And maybe that will be part of your conversation with him (example: "if you choose to continue this behavior, I will always love you and be here for you, but I can't be as big a part of your life because I can't willingly watch you engage in such a dangerous behavior" - you don't have to say that exactly, but just an example).
But yes, basically, I feel like assume the absolute worst and assess how you would feel if that were to happen. That should help inform your heart and mind about how you feel NOW, but how you also will feel should the situation go downhill. And having lost my best friend recently, all I can say is that I take so much comfort in having no regrets. If there's any chance you might regret any part of this- being involved or not- try to mitigate those regrets and do right by your friend. That's the best advice I can offer.
Best of luck. I'm sorry you are facing this situation. I'm also a very compassionate and empathetic friend who loves my friends very deeply, so I totally feel you about worrying sick when a friend is self destructive.
the other Libby0 -
Hello
I've been thinking about this a little bit more.
Whilst I have been clear to my friend about the dangers I think he faces with this path, I haven't been as direct as to say that it will be difficult to be present in his life because of it. I think he does know that it will give me worry- he knows me well enough for that- and I think some of the recent secrecy comes partly from knowing this isn't a great way to be going and partly from a desire to shield me. Although he does also know I'm not stupid and that I have enough to go on to worry already.
So I am going to say something to him. Simply and briefly- I will need to pick my time carefully. It does need to be soon. So if does have an impact on him, he's not so far in and also because I am getting increasingly angry. I know that anger could eventually destroy the friendship from my end. It is partly about the danger he is putting himself in, and also partly due to the changes in how he is treating the people round him. Particularly myself and the friend who he is buying a flat with, who to be honest, is getting treated pretty badly just now. Especially considering that it was pretty much his gentle support in the background and offer to sell his own property to help fund a joint flat purchase that gave my friend the courage to leave the abusive partner.
I think that friend is worried too. He is visiting a town about 1.5 hours from here soon, and has called to say that he wants to come see me on his own one afternoon, the day before I see both him and my friend. I think he might want to talk about this with me- we used to speak before about the abusive partner- who would be around when, who could give emergency accommodation, what to do to best help. I might wait until I have seen him, because it is possible he wants us to intervene jointly. He has a medical background, and I know he is worried about the dangers of meth.
I do have to be prepared that saying anything at all will mean the end of the friendship totally. That has been something that has been scaring me a lot, but I realise that the alternatives- doing nothing and seeing him go downhill, or just discretely stepping away, have consequences that are just as scary, if not as immediate.
Thank you so much for listening to me and giving me advice. It has really helped take some of the emotional pressure off and given me space to think clearly.
Stay well.0 -
So I got up the nerve to talk to my friend about this. He told me he isn't using meth. He also told me that his boyfriend using meth is the reason he is cooling it between them. He is still enjoying the attention of being chased a bit just now, but he can't see even that lasting too much longer. I am so relieved.
Thank you.0
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