Saturated fat and cholesterol vital to health
SanteMulberry
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Big Pharma has tried to convince us that we need very low cholesterol levels to avoid cardiovascular disease (and they make incredible profits off of anti-cholesterol drugs, so is that surprising?). Here is the transcript of an interview with a medical researcher (with a Ph.D. in nutrition science) who says that cholesterol is absolutely vital to many, many processes in the body. It is so important that fetuses with a genetic inability to synthesize cholesterol, typically die in miscarriage. For those who are medical research geeks like me, this discussion is fascinating. http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-ChrisMasterjohn.pdf
It will likely take some time for the medical community to accept that anti-cholesterol drugs are dangerous (Big Pharma, unfortunately controls much of the opinion of the medical community---often in an obverse way to what the actual unbiased medical research shows). But the word is getting out.
It will likely take some time for the medical community to accept that anti-cholesterol drugs are dangerous (Big Pharma, unfortunately controls much of the opinion of the medical community---often in an obverse way to what the actual unbiased medical research shows). But the word is getting out.
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Thank you for the reference. This is an important topic to me since I was told my cholesterol was boarderline over a year ago. My numbers are normal due to calorie tracking and cardio. Still a work in progress0
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Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.0 -
only thing I really know about cholesterol is thanks to my biology exam and that it's needed in the phospholipid bilayer of cell membranes where it's between phospholipids and help keep the structure of the phospholipid bilayer from becoming too fluid, as well as keeping the membrane from becoming too permeable.
THANKS A LEVELS !
but then again too much is bad for you...so moderation is the key to life :bigsmile:0 -
I wish people wouldn't post as if what happens in the US is what happens in the rest of the world, Big Pharma and lobbyists might control things in your country but not mine. We have NICE, the national health service and local panels deciding what drugs go onto formulary at our hospitals and GP practices based on the research. You had the opportunity for sea change if 'Obama Care' had gone through in its original form, instead of being blocked and diluted to nothing.
Part of the reason statins are so widely used is because doctors are lazy at pushing lifestyle modification and patients are completely resistant to taking responsibility for their own wellbeing. You only have to look at this forum to see how few people meet all the healthy living guidelines of their own country, the stats on obesity, smoking and lifestyle disease, numbers of servings of fruit and veggies and oily fish consumed in western nations. The information on nutrition and physical activity for general and cardiovascular health is freely available online, perhaps we need to be laying the blame and seeking solutions a little closer to home?0 -
Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.0 -
I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of depth of knowledge here and basically just repeating the comfort of the status quo.Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.0 -
I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of depth of knowledge here and basically just repeating the comfort of the status quo.Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
So then if inflammation is the cause we should eliminate gluten based products entirely?
As in every study gluten has shown to increase inflammatory response in humans even if minute, it can produce a severe reaction..
So is that what your saying? Essentially eliminate gluten and you wont have CVD at all?0 -
Zangpakto,
You said: "Well not in those big amounts...."
:frown: Medical researchers demonstrated A LONG TIME AGO, that eating a diet high in cholesterol does not cause high blood cholesterol levels in an individual. The have also demonstrated that the body synthesizes far more cholesterol than we eat. They have further demonstrated the weak relationship between high cholesterol levels and cardiovascular disease. Many individuals with low cholesterol levels have heart disease and many others with high cholesterol levels have no evidence of cardiovascular disease. So where is the all-fired panic to lower cholesterol levels? Probably has much more to do with profits than science. Big Pharma has actually lowered the level of "acceptable cholesterol levels" so that those who were once "borderline" are now having dangerous anti-cholesterol drugs pushed on them.
You said: "It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery...."
:frown: Heart bypass surgery is being phased out. Why? Because it is ineffective.
You said: "Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!"
:frown: The body tends to limit the amount of saturated fat (and thus cholesterol) consumed, within a fairly tight range. If someone eats a lot of saturated fat on one day, the next day, that individual will likely eat much less. This is true of most natural foods. The only exception to this rule is the consumption of sugar and wheat---both of which seem to be addictive (nutritional researchers have actually identified the substance in modern wheat that may be the addictive agent--it is something called "gliaden"). Sugar especially leads one to eat more and more of it. Both sugar and wheat are not natural foods (read the book "Wheat Belly" to understand how modern wheat bears little resemblance to the wheat that our ancestors ate). Interestingly, high triglyceride levels in the blood are much more linked to heart disease than is high cholesterol. How does an individual lower triglyceride levels? By avoiding a high carbohydrate diet and especially avoiding sugar.
You said: "While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk."
:frown: No.
You said: "Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco...."
:frown: ???
You said: "It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors."
:frown: The research has been done and continues to go forward and it is NOT confirming the anti-cholesterol bias.0 -
Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
^^^THIS^^^ High levels of C-reactive protein (a marker of inflammation in the body) in the blood is a much more reliable indicator.0 -
In your mind the only thing in the world that is inflammatory is gluten, is that what your saying?
I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of depth of knowledge here and basically just repeating the comfort of the status quo.Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
So then if inflammation is the cause we should eliminate gluten based products entirely?
As in every study gluten has shown to increase inflammatory response in humans even if minute, it can produce a severe reaction..
So is that what your saying? Essentially eliminate gluten and you wont have CVD at all?0 -
Actually.. you haven't read that paper that was posted did you now?
Just about all my points come directly from there...
The fact we shouldn't have high levels of cholesterol? Directly talked about and discussed in the paper that was posted.
Please, if you want to reply and argue about a paper, can you please for the love of god READ it?
It is about the medication and how it affects your health. Not how it is good with those levels. If your cholesterol levels are bad they ARE bad and they NEED to be addressed.
Also about heart bypass, why it isn't affective? Smokers who are alive because of surgery prove that surgery is ineffective as they die anyway with smoking related causes... Why? Because the PROBLEM is not addressed.... ONLY the ISSUE that caused the outcome. Not what caused the ISSUE!
Sure... have a complete fatass and lardass with dangerous levels, and have them get bypass surgery, what will happen? They will still be a fatass and a lardass... they more than likely WILL NOT CHANGE!
Also my grandfather performed the first heart bypass surgery, so don't talk to me about things I am actually proud of and of being a part of! I've researched these things
Lifestyle plays a big part in anything, does it mean EVERY surgery to date is a failure? As nearly every surgery could have been avoided by proper lifestyle choices? No, it just means people are idiots. and idiots will damage themselves.0 -
The fire is already blazing when CRP is elevated, and inflammation is the result of the immune systems failure to stop inflammation. White blood cells and CRP are certainly elevated during the long process of arterial plaque formation, not doubt about it, is it the cause, I don't think so. imoWell not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
^^^THIS^^^ High levels of C-reactive protein (a marker of inflammation in the body) in the blood is a much more reliable indicator.0 -
In your mind the only thing in the world that is inflammatory is gluten, is that what your saying?
I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of depth of knowledge here and basically just repeating the comfort of the status quo.Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
So then if inflammation is the cause we should eliminate gluten based products entirely?
As in every study gluten has shown to increase inflammatory response in humans even if minute, it can produce a severe reaction..
So is that what your saying? Essentially eliminate gluten and you wont have CVD at all?
No not at all, but the most immediate change anyone can make is eliminating gluten. Very simple and has proven benefits including reduced inflammation.0 -
I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of depth of knowledge here and basically just repeating the comfort of the status quo.Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
So then if inflammation is the cause we should eliminate gluten based products entirely?
As in every study gluten has shown to increase inflammatory response in humans even if minute, it can produce a severe reaction..
So is that what your saying? Essentially eliminate gluten and you wont have CVD at all?
It is a bit more complex than that, unfortunately. But certainly eliminating foods that provoke inflammation in an individual would be part of the answer. I can tell by the way my joints feel that pasteurized dairy products cause an inflammatory response in me. Interestingly, I do not get the same reaction from eating only organic unpasteurized dairy products--(and not many at that). Food allergy (which is, ultimately an "inflammatory" response) and intolerance are rampant, in my opinion, because of the adulteration in the food supply. The "frankenfood" of GMOs being forced on us by "Big Agriculture" are only going to make the situation worse.0 -
I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of depth of knowledge here and basically just repeating the comfort of the status quo.Well not in those big amounts....
It also has ben medically proven as to the reason we need heart bypass surgery....
Yes, your body NEEDS both of those... but like the saying goes, too much of a good thing can kill you!
While the research paper is good, the medical field has done extensive research into the cause of certain ailments and high levels have increased risk.
Your study is like the cigarette company trying to promote tobacco....
It needs time, research and multiple studies to be conclusive. Also needs to have a sterile and controlled test environment eliminating outside factors.
It has never been proven that Cholesterol and Saturated fat causes Heart Disease.
It has been proven that inflammation is what causes us to have the need for bypass surgery.
So then if inflammation is the cause we should eliminate gluten based products entirely?
As in every study gluten has shown to increase inflammatory response in humans even if minute, it can produce a severe reaction..
So is that what your saying? Essentially eliminate gluten and you wont have CVD at all?
It is a bit more complex than that, unfortunately. But certainly eliminating foods that provoke inflammation in an individual would be part of the answer. I can tell by the way my joints feel that pasteurized dairy products cause an inflammatory response in me. Interestingly, I do not get the same reaction from eating only organic unpasteurized dairy products--(and not many at that). Food allergy (which is, ultimately an "inflammatory" response) and intolerance are rampant, in my opinion, because of the adulteration in the food supply. The "frankenfood" of GMOs being forced on us by "Big Agriculture" are only going to make the situation worse.
I agree, the big companies are a major source of my concern.... Also the whole food pyramid? Why do people follow such an unhealthy biased model? I mean don't people look into what causes health and further performance for themselves?0 -
Big Pharma has tried to convince us that we need very low cholesterol levels to avoid cardiovascular disease (and they make incredible profits off of anti-cholesterol drugs, so is that surprising?). Here is the transcript of an interview with a medical researcher (with a Ph.D. in nutrition science) who says that cholesterol is absolutely vital to many, many processes in the body. It is so important that fetuses with a genetic inability to synthesize cholesterol, typically die in miscarriage. For those who are medical research geeks like me, this discussion is fascinating. http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-ChrisMasterjohn.pdf
It will likely take some time for the medical community to accept that anti-cholesterol drugs are dangerous (Big Pharma, unfortunately controls much of the opinion of the medical community---often in an obverse way to what the actual unbiased medical research shows). But the word is getting out.
Big Pharma? conspiracies??
get real. you've been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.0 -
Actually.. you haven't read that paper that was posted did you now?
Just about all my points come directly from there...
The fact we shouldn't have high levels of cholesterol? Directly talked about and discussed in the paper that was posted.
Please, if you want to reply and argue about a paper, can you please for the love of god READ it?
It is about the medication and how it affects your health. Not how it is good with those levels. If your cholesterol levels are bad they ARE bad and they NEED to be addressed.
Also about heart bypass, why it isn't affective? Smokers who are alive because of surgery prove that surgery is ineffective as they die anyway with smoking related causes... Why? Because the PROBLEM is not addressed.... ONLY the ISSUE that caused the outcome. Not what caused the ISSUE!
Sure... have a complete fatass and lardass with dangerous levels, and have them get bypass surgery, what will happen? They will still be a fatass and a lardass... they more than likely WILL NOT CHANGE!
Also my grandfather performed the first heart bypass surgery, so don't talk to me about things I am actually proud of and of being a part of! I've researched these things
Lifestyle plays a big part in anything, does it mean EVERY surgery to date is a failure? As nearly every surgery could have been avoided by proper lifestyle choices? No, it just means people are idiots. and idiots will damage themselves.
Sorry---I had to leave for a bit. But I'm back now. I can't understand why you said that I did not read the paper. Did you? It is definitely NOT supporting the hypothesis that high cholesterol causes heart disease--that correlation does not prove causation. There are many other factors that are likely more important, which he discusses at length. Pay particular attention to the discussion of thyroid disease and heart disease and also K2 metabolism (ironically, the most common source of K2 in the diet is eggs).0 -
Big Pharma has tried to convince us that we need very low cholesterol levels to avoid cardiovascular disease (and they make incredible profits off of anti-cholesterol drugs, so is that surprising?). Here is the transcript of an interview with a medical researcher (with a Ph.D. in nutrition science) who says that cholesterol is absolutely vital to many, many processes in the body. It is so important that fetuses with a genetic inability to synthesize cholesterol, typically die in miscarriage. For those who are medical research geeks like me, this discussion is fascinating. http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-ChrisMasterjohn.pdf
It will likely take some time for the medical community to accept that anti-cholesterol drugs are dangerous (Big Pharma, unfortunately controls much of the opinion of the medical community---often in an obverse way to what the actual unbiased medical research shows). But the word is getting out.
Big Pharma? conspiracies??
get real. you've been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.
I never said it was a conspiracy--rather that, as is natural to human beings, people (and this includes people in the pharmaceutical establishment) tend to want to believe that which has the most direct bearing on their own profitability. Investigate a bit for yourself to see how Big Pharma has again, and again, gotten slapped on the wrist for some pretty shady dealings. Look up the whole "Aricept 23" fiasco as a starter.0 -
What the hell??
All scientists who work in biology (medicine, pharmacology, physiology, etc) know that cholesterol is essential to normal body function - its not a revelation that someone has just stumbled upon.
Cholesterol-lowering medications work to reduce synthesis of new cholesterol in the liver, but do not reduce it's presence to a level that is below the minimum needed for normal biological function.
No scientist (even those scientists who are clearly pure evil who work in 'Big Pharma') thinks that 1. reducing cholesterol to below-necessary levels is desirable, or 2. that cholesterol-reducing drugs are capable of doing this (when prescribed correctly, of course).
Can we please just stop with all these posts that go like this:
'Outrageously false claim about a biological process' >> 'inflammatory remark about medicine/doctors/pharmaceutical companies' >> assertion that no one else is aware of this extremely enlightening fact that has been posted from Dr. Mercola/snopes/other crackpot website >> OMG we're all going to DIE!!! BY CONSPIRACY!!0 -
What the hell??
All scientists who work in biology (medicine, pharmacology, physiology, etc) know that cholesterol is essential to normal body function - its not a revelation that someone has just stumbled upon.
Cholesterol-lowering medications work to reduce synthesis of new cholesterol in the liver, but do not reduce it's presence to a level that is below the minimum needed for normal biological function.
No scientist (even those scientists who are clearly pure evil who work in 'Big Pharma') thinks that 1. reducing cholesterol to below-necessary levels is desirable, or 2. that cholesterol-reducing drugs are capable of doing this (when prescribed correctly, of course).
Can we please just stop with all these posts that go like this:
'Outrageously false claim about a biological process' >> 'inflammatory remark about medicine/doctors/pharmaceutical companies' >> assertion that no one else is aware of this extremely enlightening fact that has been posted from Dr. Mercola/snopes/other crackpot website >> OMG we're all going to DIE!!! BY CONSPIRACY!!
^ This.0 -
What the hell??
All scientists who work in biology (medicine, pharmacology, physiology, etc) know that cholesterol is essential to normal body function - its not a revelation that someone has just stumbled upon.
Cholesterol-lowering medications work to reduce synthesis of new cholesterol in the liver, but do not reduce it's presence to a level that is below the minimum needed for normal biological function.
No scientist (even those scientists who are clearly pure evil who work in 'Big Pharma') thinks that 1. reducing cholesterol to below-necessary levels is desirable, or 2. that cholesterol-reducing drugs are capable of doing this (when prescribed correctly, of course).
Can we please just stop with all these posts that go like this:
'Outrageously false claim about a biological process' >> 'inflammatory remark about medicine/doctors/pharmaceutical companies' >> assertion that no one else is aware of this extremely enlightening fact that has been posted from Dr. Mercola/snopes/other crackpot website >> OMG we're all going to DIE!!! BY CONSPIRACY!!
^ This.
^and that.0 -
Do either of you two gentlemen have any connection to the medical establishment or the pharmaceutical industry? As I said in my most recent post, it really is NOT a conspiracy. People tend to believe what they want to believe---and you both are welcome to believe anything you like. But how about you tone down the swearing and blustering, Robyn?0
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I agree, the big companies are a major source of my concern.... Also the whole food pyramid? Why do people follow such an unhealthy biased model? I mean don't people look into what causes health and further performance for themselves?
You are a tad out of date: yanks haven't had the Food Pyramid since 2005, the next incarnation MyPyramid was superceded a couple of years ago by MyPlate. Your healthy eating guidelines are not intended to represent optimal nutrition any more than ours are, they are supposed to reduce risk factors, get intake of all nutrients up to minimum levels and be realistic/ achievable considering what the average citizen is eating.
Have you seen the stats for obesity, lifestyle disease, fruit and veg intake, oily fish consumption? No the general public don't look into health and performance for themselves - at least here in the UK most new clients I see don't even know what all our healthy eating guidelines are despite them being dumbed down. Since you didn't even know you now have MyPlate you are not really in a position to be critical.0 -
^ Yep. Robyn again being the voice of reason and sound science.What the hell??
All scientists who work in biology (medicine, pharmacology, physiology, etc) know that cholesterol is essential to normal body function - its not a revelation that someone has just stumbled upon.
Cholesterol-lowering medications work to reduce synthesis of new cholesterol in the liver, but do not reduce it's presence to a level that is below the minimum needed for normal biological function.
No scientist (even those scientists who are clearly pure evil who work in 'Big Pharma') thinks that 1. reducing cholesterol to below-necessary levels is desirable, or 2. that cholesterol-reducing drugs are capable of doing this (when prescribed correctly, of course).
Can we please just stop with all these posts that go like this:
'Outrageously false claim about a biological process' >> 'inflammatory remark about medicine/doctors/pharmaceutical companies' >> assertion that no one else is aware of this extremely enlightening fact that has been posted from Dr. Mercola/snopes/other crackpot website >> OMG we're all going to DIE!!! BY CONSPIRACY!!
^ This.
^and that.
MercoLOLa. :rolleyes:0 -
Do either of you two gentlemen have any connection to the medical establishment or the pharmaceutical industry? As I said in my most recent post, it really is NOT a conspiracy. People tend to believe what they want to believe---and you both are welcome to believe anything you like. But how about you tone down the swearing and blustering, Robyn?
She wasn't swearing or blustering. And I think her tone is very appropriate to this discussion in her viewpoint.0 -
^ Yep. Robyn again being the voice of reason and sound science.What the hell??
All scientists who work in biology (medicine, pharmacology, physiology, etc) know that cholesterol is essential to normal body function - its not a revelation that someone has just stumbled upon.
Cholesterol-lowering medications work to reduce synthesis of new cholesterol in the liver, but do not reduce it's presence to a level that is below the minimum needed for normal biological function.
No scientist (even those scientists who are clearly pure evil who work in 'Big Pharma') thinks that 1. reducing cholesterol to below-necessary levels is desirable, or 2. that cholesterol-reducing drugs are capable of doing this (when prescribed correctly, of course).
Can we please just stop with all these posts that go like this:
'Outrageously false claim about a biological process' >> 'inflammatory remark about medicine/doctors/pharmaceutical companies' >> assertion that no one else is aware of this extremely enlightening fact that has been posted from Dr. Mercola/snopes/other crackpot website >> OMG we're all going to DIE!!! BY CONSPIRACY!!
^ This.
^and that.
MercoLOLa. :rolleyes:
Say what you like against Mercola but this interview that he conducted is with a respected medical researcher. And you have what credentials?0 -
^ Yep. Robyn again being the voice of reason and sound science.What the hell??
All scientists who work in biology (medicine, pharmacology, physiology, etc) know that cholesterol is essential to normal body function - its not a revelation that someone has just stumbled upon.
Cholesterol-lowering medications work to reduce synthesis of new cholesterol in the liver, but do not reduce it's presence to a level that is below the minimum needed for normal biological function.
No scientist (even those scientists who are clearly pure evil who work in 'Big Pharma') thinks that 1. reducing cholesterol to below-necessary levels is desirable, or 2. that cholesterol-reducing drugs are capable of doing this (when prescribed correctly, of course).
Can we please just stop with all these posts that go like this:
'Outrageously false claim about a biological process' >> 'inflammatory remark about medicine/doctors/pharmaceutical companies' >> assertion that no one else is aware of this extremely enlightening fact that has been posted from Dr. Mercola/snopes/other crackpot website >> OMG we're all going to DIE!!! BY CONSPIRACY!!
^ This.
^and that.
MercoLOLa. :rolleyes:
QFT0 -
you lost me at Mercola...0
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Do either of you two gentlemen have any connection to the medical establishment or the pharmaceutical industry? As I said in my most recent post, it really is NOT a conspiracy. People tend to believe what they want to believe---and you both are welcome to believe anything you like. But how about you tone down the swearing and blustering, Robyn?
She wasn't swearing or blustering. And I think her tone is very appropriate to this discussion in her viewpoint.
I don't know about you---but a reference to "hell" qualifies as swearing. Her tone is NOT appropriate.0 -
you lost me at Mercola...
Again---these are not Mercola's opinions being expressed in this interview---but rather those of a credentialed medical researcher--a Ph.D. in nutrition science. You people need to stop with the knee-jerk reactions and instead focus on what is actually being said.0
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