Meat eaters vs. veg-heads

I dont eat alot of meats and would rather eat quorn, id be as well cutting out meat. Maybe eventually...after america holiday . Going to rice milk as of tomoz

I think the meat eaters here should STRONGLY consider limiting their meats and dairy - especially on workout days. Both meat and dairy is acid forming.

acid forming? Can you explain exactly what you mean by this, in terms of what's going on in the body? In your own words. (i.e. don't just quote an article at me).

On workout days I eat fish/seafood, meat and whey protein. I limit red meat because it tends to be fatty and harder to fit in my macros, so the meat I eat is usually chicken. I have no trouble recovering after workouts, in fact I'm currently recovering from surgery and my doctor has commented about how well I'm recovering (also on a fish/seafood, dairy and chicken with occasional red meat and less whey protein than usual as I'm not currently allowed to exercise diet)

ETA: I do agree that everyone should eat plenty of fruit and veg, and most people don't eat anywhere near enough of them, but other than beans/lentils (which not everyone can digest easily) I eat plant foods for the micronutrients rather than protein.

It's not that meat is bad for us.... it's that we eat too much meat.

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According to these studies I should be in agony right now since by far most of my calories come from meat and feta cheese and I eat few vegetables (nor did I when I was a vegetarian, I just ate processed veggie patties and junk).

I actually have no back pain right now (shocking since I've been doing weights focused on my back muscles) or knee pain, or any other pain. If anything I'm healthier on a meat diet and I know I'm happier.

So far. I've been on it since June, minus a month of trying to add back carbs and finding out all it made me do was pig out on everything in sight. Longterm, who knows? And I do for sure need to get more veggies into my diet regardless. I have never eaten enough unprocessed fruits and veggies because I have never really liked them.

The video is showing as 16 min long. I will need to watch later at home where I can give it the attention it deserves.

With regards to the Vegetarian/Vegan vs Omnivore debate.

I am trying to move to a vegetarian diet. Since I started on MFP and lost a lot of weight. I have been looking at food in a different manner to how I did in my previous life (my "FAT" life). And, what I see across the spectrum of food is disturbing. On the meat side, I see horrible factory farming practices! Inhuman treatment, questionable drugs used to increase production and ongoing sanitary issues with processing and shipping. The simple truth is that the meat we buy in our local grocery stores is no long the same as what we used to get from the independent family farms of a generation ago. Today what we get is by all definitions "Fabricated". This bothers me at an emotional and physical level. And, has lead me down a path where I am weaning myself from meat based proteins.

But, the picture is not so rosy on the other side of the street either! GMO farming of staple foods is way more prevalent than I think most consumers realize. And, just like the tobacco companies hid research and sued researchers in the past. The big global GMO corporations are doing their best to keep the amount of GMO produce in our groceries hidden and at the same time trying to defuse any research that shows that long term consumption of GMO produce has health hazards.

So, where does that leave people like me? People who simply want to life a healthy and sustainable life. My situation falls into the "caveat emptor" category. Let the buyer beware! I read labels endlessly! Within my budget I buy as much fresh local produce as possible. I have cut down the amount of boxed, frozen and prepared foods my family consumed by a huge amount. My meat consumption has gone from a large portion of meat with every meal to a small portion of meat 2 - 3x per week. And, I try to avoid things like corn and soy where these are almost exclusively GMO farmed. The effort is not always easy and the choices not always apparent. But, I muddle through and try to make the best choices possible.

Best of luck to us all.

i totally agree!

i've been eating mostly vegan for 4 weeks now (sometimes, when i'm out to eat, i can't escape having something w/ cheese or butter and i indulge in meat on special circumstances). Now that i don't eat all that meat and dairy i realize that i feel so much better. also, it is alot easier to stay under calorie limits if your diet consists of mainly fresh vegetables and fruits.

It's not that meat is bad for us.... it's that we eat too much meat.

exactly what i was going to say.

I have limited meat since starting on my fitness pal. I find it easier to stay at 1200 calories without meat and eating:ohwell: mostly vegetables. I am much healthier now because I am trying to get more vegetables and beans on my diet.

Thank you for Shari g the video:)

I think the meat eaters here should STRONGLY consider limiting their meats and dairy - especially on workout days. Both meat and dairy is acid forming.

acid forming? Can you explain exactly what you mean by this, in terms of what's going on in the body? In your own words. (i.e. don't just quote an article at me).

On workout days I eat fish/seafood, meat and whey protein. I limit red meat because it tends to be fatty and harder to fit in my macros, so the meat I eat is usually chicken. I have no trouble recovering after workouts, in fact I'm currently recovering from surgery and my doctor has commented about how well I'm recovering (also on a fish/seafood, dairy and chicken with occasional red meat and less whey protein than usual as I'm not currently allowed to exercise diet)

ETA: I do agree that everyone should eat plenty of fruit and veg, and most people don't eat anywhere near enough of them, but other than beans/lentils (which not everyone can digest easily) I eat plant foods for the micronutrients rather than protein.

Meat will cause a build up of uric acid and gout in the body which is one the primary causes of arthritis