"I can make you thin"

Anyone tried Paul McKenna's programme, 'I can make you thin'? I'm just starting on it. Makes perfect sense - eat when hungry, stop when full, and slow down every mouthful. Just wondering if anyone has completed it with success?
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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,040 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

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  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Don't know anything about the program, but simply eating when hungry is why many of us are here in the first place.
  • AlsDonkBoxSquat
    AlsDonkBoxSquat Posts: 6,128 Member
    If that worked I would never have had a problem in the first place. That philosophy was so successful that I needed mfp.
  • chrishgt4
    chrishgt4 Posts: 1,222 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

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    The dude is a hypnotist who basically gives you cues to kerb whatever your bad issue is, be it smoking, fear of flying or overeating.

    I think the idea is to tap into the natural sense of how much to eat. Most overweight people get that way not initially through more hunger than the average person, but comfort eating etc. So it makes sense that if you can find a way to bring back your body's self-regulation that counting calories would become unnecessary.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    Just to point out - this isn't the first weight loss thing that utilizes this concept. I am not about to go searching at the moment for specifics, but since I was 12 - I've heard this from various weight loss programs...even those that were pushing out diet pills, etc.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Anyone tried Paul McKenna's programme, 'I can make you thin'? I'm just starting on it. Makes perfect sense - eat when hungry, stop when full, and slow down every mouthful. Just wondering if anyone has completed it with success?

    I've never heard of it, but if you add in "exercise regularly" then that's exactly what I did. I lost most of my weight before learning of MFP and without counting calories.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,040 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

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    The dude is a hypnotist who basically gives you cues to kerb whatever your bad issue is, be it smoking, fear of flying or overeating.

    I think the idea is to tap into the natural sense of how much to eat. Most overweight people get that way not initially through more hunger than the average person, but comfort eating etc. So it makes sense that if you can find a way to bring back your body's self-regulation that counting calories would become unnecessary.
    Sorry, but eating a high calorie meals get people fat more than just comfort eating. Counting calories is key in weight loss and anyone that denies that doesn't understand how it works.


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  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    For those that say ONLY eating when hungry and stopping when full is why they gained weight, what do you do now? Be hungry?
  • weird_me2
    weird_me2 Posts: 716 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

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    The dude is a hypnotist who basically gives you cues to kerb whatever your bad issue is, be it smoking, fear of flying or overeating.

    I think the idea is to tap into the natural sense of how much to eat. Most overweight people get that way not initially through more hunger than the average person, but comfort eating etc. So it makes sense that if you can find a way to bring back your body's self-regulation that counting calories would become unnecessary.
    Sorry, but eating a high calorie meals get people fat more than just comfort eating. Counting calories is key in weight loss and anyone that denies that doesn't understand how it works.


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    People get overweight because they overeat for whatever reason. Overeating is the act of consuming more calories than one needs; this can be done by eating too many calories at regular meals or by eating for comfort or whatever the reason may be.

    If a person puts the effort in to learning their hunger queues, satietiy signals and how to slow down their eating enough to recognize when they have had enough food, they should be able to maintain their weight without having to actually count calories. A component of the weigh watchers program combines eating to satisfaction with making mostly healthy eating choices and I know several people who have had successful weight maintenance for years without counting calories (or points) by being honest with themselves and understanding their hunger. Most small children have this ability to self regulate and eat what they need and stop when they are full and then lose this ability as they get older and are taught otherwise. Even when presented with "yummy" foods, my 6 year old will leave 2 bites on her plate if she's physically satisfied. I don't know many adults who will leave 2 bites of ice cream just because they are no longer hungry. Almost all will continue eating becuase it's "only 2 bites" or "it's so good", etc.
  • Trechechus
    Trechechus Posts: 2,819 Member
    Don't know anything about the program, but simply eating when hungry is why many of us are here in the first place.

    This. I sometimes have a hard time deciphering hunger over thirst and boredom (pathetic, I know.) So, I try to drink as close to 8 glasses of water a day and definitely track my calories. Otherwise I'd be back where I was.
  • Anyone tried Paul McKenna's programme, 'I can make you thin'? I'm just starting on it. Makes perfect sense - eat when hungry, stop when full, and slow down every mouthful. Just wondering if anyone has completed it with success?

    I've never heard of it, but if you add in "exercise regularly" then that's exactly what I did. I lost most of my weight before learning of MFP and without counting calories.

    same here
  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

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    "no willpower required" is even better
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    "I can make you have sex with me."

    Did it work????



    *looks behind me*
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    I don't think most people here on this website know how to "listen to their body"... I punch a baby in the face every time I hear that term. Maybe you can learn...maybe...but, only after you count calories for a long time, like over a year, and learn what portion sizes LOOK like and how it FEELS AFTER you eat that portion size. It takes a long time to learn. I even have trouble with it and get tricked sometimes if I'm not counting. It's hard.

    And, I wasn't going to say anything, but just the title of the program is soooooooo scamy. EW!
  • cld111
    cld111 Posts: 300 Member
    Yes, I have the book. I listened to the hypnosis CD many a times. It didn't really do anything for me. Some concepts are interesting though. Like tapping on a certain area of your body when you have an intense craving. I never completely followed through with the tapping to see if it actually worked. And I always fell asleep when listening to the CD. So, maybe that's why it didn't work for me! :smile: Good luck with it!
  • Init_to_winit
    Init_to_winit Posts: 258 Member
    I had read this book and only listened to the CD once or twice. I really didn't and still don't buy into the "hypnosis" part of it. If you really read and understand the studies he presents it really makes sense. He doesn't really say you can "eat whatever you want" he more says that you need to be in tune with your body and listen to it to and you will lose weight.

    He presented a study in which toddlers were given the option to eat absolutely whatever they wanted for a week and after the study was done, they learned that they ended up eating a balanced diet all based on their own cravings and desires. And of course he says that we need to learn to tell when our body is full. Focus on the flavors of the food and tastes and textures rather than just mindlessly chowing down. This too is supposed to prevent you from eating foods that are bad for you.

    I think he's got a lot of stuff right. But ultimately, it wasn't for me. I think if you can stick with it, you'll definitely lose weight!
  • LouE
    LouE Posts: 19 Member
    Ive ad 2 sessions with a hypnotist, and its helped me, i no longer crave sugar and biscuits, especially at work, i dont intentionally count calories but still input them here and im around 1200 a day now. I like it cos nothing is denied to me, today i went for afternoon tea and had some cakes, and im not filled with that guilt we sometimes get.

    I am a fan of hypnosis.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,040 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    The dude is a hypnotist who basically gives you cues to kerb whatever your bad issue is, be it smoking, fear of flying or overeating.

    I think the idea is to tap into the natural sense of how much to eat. Most overweight people get that way not initially through more hunger than the average person, but comfort eating etc. So it makes sense that if you can find a way to bring back your body's self-regulation that counting calories would become unnecessary.
    Sorry, but eating a high calorie meals get people fat more than just comfort eating. Counting calories is key in weight loss and anyone that denies that doesn't understand how it works.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    People get overweight because they overeat for whatever reason. Overeating is the act of consuming more calories than one needs; this can be done by eating too many calories at regular meals or by eating for comfort or whatever the reason may be.

    If a person puts the effort in to learning their hunger queues, satietiy signals and how to slow down their eating enough to recognize when they have had enough food, they should be able to maintain their weight without having to actually count calories. A component of the weigh watchers program combines eating to satisfaction with making mostly healthy eating choices and I know several people who have had successful weight maintenance for years without counting calories (or points) by being honest with themselves and understanding their hunger. Most small children have this ability to self regulate and eat what they need and stop when they are full and then lose this ability as they get older and are taught otherwise. Even when presented with "yummy" foods, my 6 year old will leave 2 bites on her plate if she's physically satisfied. I don't know many adults who will leave 2 bites of ice cream just because they are no longer hungry. Almost all will continue eating becuase it's "only 2 bites" or "it's so good", etc.
    Guess you haven't heard that kids obesity rate is going up. Even at 2 years old. Calories DO COUNT. That's why you need to be aware of them.


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  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    I have found calorie counting and measuring/weighing all of my food has really helped me and has taught me proper portion/portion control among other things. I ate when I was hungry and stopped when I was full before, and consumed roughly 3,500 calories per day on average with little to no exercise...that didn't work for me unless you call getting fat working.

    Maybe if you have an internal fuel gauge that works, this would work...mine is broken apparently.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I don't think most people here on this website know how to "listen to their body"... I punch a baby in the face every time I hear that term. Maybe you can learn...maybe...but, only after you count calories for a long time, like over a year, and learn what portion sizes LOOK like and how it FEELS AFTER you eat that portion size. It takes a long time to learn. I even have trouble with it and get tricked sometimes if I'm not counting. It's hard.

    Then how do you explain the millions of people who lose weight or never become overweight without counting calories? I'm not saying it's easy for everyone, but it's also not hard for everyone. It's always been easy for me so maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to be more the habit(s) of eating that is hard to break than knowing how many calories to eat.

    Binge eating, stress eating, eating out of boredom, partying. These are not things people do because they are hungry.
  • weird_me2
    weird_me2 Posts: 716 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    The dude is a hypnotist who basically gives you cues to kerb whatever your bad issue is, be it smoking, fear of flying or overeating.

    I think the idea is to tap into the natural sense of how much to eat. Most overweight people get that way not initially through more hunger than the average person, but comfort eating etc. So it makes sense that if you can find a way to bring back your body's self-regulation that counting calories would become unnecessary.
    Sorry, but eating a high calorie meals get people fat more than just comfort eating. Counting calories is key in weight loss and anyone that denies that doesn't understand how it works.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    People get overweight because they overeat for whatever reason. Overeating is the act of consuming more calories than one needs; this can be done by eating too many calories at regular meals or by eating for comfort or whatever the reason may be.

    If a person puts the effort in to learning their hunger queues, satietiy signals and how to slow down their eating enough to recognize when they have had enough food, they should be able to maintain their weight without having to actually count calories. A component of the weigh watchers program combines eating to satisfaction with making mostly healthy eating choices and I know several people who have had successful weight maintenance for years without counting calories (or points) by being honest with themselves and understanding their hunger. Most small children have this ability to self regulate and eat what they need and stop when they are full and then lose this ability as they get older and are taught otherwise. Even when presented with "yummy" foods, my 6 year old will leave 2 bites on her plate if she's physically satisfied. I don't know many adults who will leave 2 bites of ice cream just because they are no longer hungry. Almost all will continue eating becuase it's "only 2 bites" or "it's so good", etc.
    Guess you haven't heard that kids obesity rate is going up. Even at 2 years old. Calories DO COUNT. That's why you need to be aware of them.


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    I agree that calories do count, but I also believe that people can learn to control their weight without having to count every single calorie that they eat. If you look at "naturally" thin people who have never had a weight problem, you will see that most of them do not count calories. They usually don't "snack" all day long and are fine with leaving food on their plate. They tend to eat when they are hungry and hunger isn't an "emergency" to them.

    Of the thin people I know, I have always noticed that they will leave 5 bites of pasta or even 1/2 a sandwich on their plate because they are "stuffed". This is the "natural" way to count calories - eating when you are truly hungry and being in tune with yourself enough to know when you've had enough. Making healthier choices usually makes this easier and can make you healthier in the long run, but it's not necessary.

    Yes, obesity is rising in children and everyone because people are so good at ignoring their hunger cues and so many parents encourage their children to do this. Plus, people are consuming a lot more "liquid" calories which do not lend to being satiated, so yes, it's easy to overeat and consume too many calories.

    I actually find it quite easy to recognize my hunger and satiety signals. Listening to them is another matter and dealing with binge eating is a whole nother issue, but with just a little effort I was able to learn how to tell when I was truly hungry and when I had had enough food. When I'm removed from my normal controlled environment, I generally have no problem maintaining or losing weight when I listen to my body. When I go on vacation, I don't track calories or anything and we almost always eat out all the time. I almost always lose weight because I don't have as much easy access to food or as much privacy, so I'm not likely to binge and food isn't readily available to snack on whenever I want it. The only vacation I've ever gained on was when we rented a house in Disney world with the family and the cabinets were stocked just like at home.
  • weird_me2
    weird_me2 Posts: 716 Member
    I don't think most people here on this website know how to "listen to their body"... I punch a baby in the face every time I hear that term. Maybe you can learn...maybe...but, only after you count calories for a long time, like over a year, and learn what portion sizes LOOK like and how it FEELS AFTER you eat that portion size. It takes a long time to learn. I even have trouble with it and get tricked sometimes if I'm not counting. It's hard.

    Then how do you explain the millions of people who lose weight or never become overweight without counting calories? I'm not saying it's easy for everyone, but it's also not hard for everyone. It's always been easy for me so maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to be more the habit(s) of eating that is hard to break than knowing how many calories to eat.

    Binge eating, stress eating, eating out of boredom, partying. These are not things people do because they are hungry.

    I completely agree and that's why I made my original post! Learning how to "listen to your body" to me is one step along the road to lasting weight loss. It's not easy, but it's not usually as hard as people believe. IMO, "hearing" your body is easy, listening to it is another story, but I think it's an excellent tool to have. I feel bad for the people who are losing/maintaining and freaking out when a special event or vacation comes up because it's outside of their normal calorie controlled bubble. We have to learn to trust ourselves and believe in ourselves! Plus, we have to work on whatever other issues caused us to be overweight in the first place.

    I don't know that I will ever not be a calorie counter because I do struggle so much with the mental aspect of overeating, but it is my hope that one day I won't have to record every single thing I eat every single day. My mother overcame a lifetime of disordered eating by counting calories for almost 10 years because she didn't feel strong enough to stop. For the last 8-10 years, though, she hasn't been counting calories and has maintained her weight.
  • blues4miles
    blues4miles Posts: 1,481 Member
    I watched a BBC program (I believe called "Why Thin People are Thin" or something like that, was on Youtube) where a scientist believes that some obese people never feel true hunger OR satiety. I don't think he's suggesting that that's true for EVERY obese person, but it could be an affect AFTER you become obese, or could be a number of things.

    Anyways, the problem being that someone who feels normal hunger and normal satiety knows when to eat and when to stop. The obese people who he was studying never really got hungry (so like others on here myself included, can't distinguish between thirst or boredom or just random cravings) but they also never felt the satisfaction of truly being full, so would always overeat. I'm not a scientist, but recommend anyone interested check out the program for themselves(I believe it was studying levels of hunger hormones, not just asking for people's opinions/feedback by the way). It's why I can't just trust my hunger signals. Trust my hunger signals and doing what my body wanted meant I got obese. Watching what I eat has helped me determine whether I'm not eating enough (because I'm especially tired/fatigued etc) or am eating plenty (strong, good energy to get workouts done).
  • KenosFeoh
    KenosFeoh Posts: 1,837 Member
    I think I have a handle on it now, but at the time I reached my highest-ever weight, I had no idea there was a difference between "hungry" and "I feel like eating something."
  • carolina822
    carolina822 Posts: 155 Member
    I don't think most people here on this website know how to "listen to their body"... I punch a baby in the face every time I hear that term. Maybe you can learn...maybe...but, only after you count calories for a long time, like over a year, and learn what portion sizes LOOK like and how it FEELS AFTER you eat that portion size. It takes a long time to learn. I even have trouble with it and get tricked sometimes if I'm not counting. It's hard.

    Then how do you explain the millions of people who lose weight or never become overweight without counting calories? I'm not saying it's easy for everyone, but it's also not hard for everyone. It's always been easy for me so maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to be more the habit(s) of eating that is hard to break than knowing how many calories to eat.

    Binge eating, stress eating, eating out of boredom, partying. These are not things people do because they are hungry.

    You are correct that it isn't hard for everyone, but if you are one of the people it IS hard for, listening to your body's signals isn't going to help without some sort of limits and learning to live within those limits. Honestly, sometimes when I am the hungriest I feel the least desire to eat. Figure that one out - lol.
  • fun_b
    fun_b Posts: 199 Member
    I tried it a few years ago when I was about 36 pound heavier. I don't think I was in the right headspace at the time as I lost a few pounds but soon gave up.
  • jehavin
    jehavin Posts: 316 Member
    Don't know anything about the program, but simply eating when hungry is why many of us are here in the first place.

    Yes. The definition of "hungry" varies with each person, and, depending on how often and how many calories we have been used to, our body/mind might lie to us about when it is hungry.

    Calorie counting (or cognition of how many calories are in something---one bite of cheesecake doesn't fill my stomach like 2 eggs although roughly the same calories,) is key. It's like saying "only spend money when you need to." You cannot know what you "need" and "don't need" until you know how much money you have to work with.
  • Delicate
    Delicate Posts: 625 Member
    Its how i originally started with his book, and has worked for me ever since.

    not everyone uses mfp to count calories and calories are not always the best things for people to watch, I use it to make sure I get enough protein since its a nice wee calculator for it.

    plus it would be downright stupid for me to have high carbs because of PCOS (i know some people have it the other way around !).

    Not everyones brain works the same way.
  • HealthyGinny
    HealthyGinny Posts: 821 Member
    When one of the statements is "no calorie counting required", then move on.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    The dude is a hypnotist who basically gives you cues to kerb whatever your bad issue is, be it smoking, fear of flying or overeating.

    I think the idea is to tap into the natural sense of how much to eat. Most overweight people get that way not initially through more hunger than the average person, but comfort eating etc. So it makes sense that if you can find a way to bring back your body's self-regulation that counting calories would become unnecessary.
    Sorry, but eating a high calorie meals get people fat more than just comfort eating. Counting calories is key in weight loss and anyone that denies that doesn't understand how it works.


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    I have to say I agree with that. I'm recovering from an ED and I still binge at least once a week (and when I say "binge", I'm not talking about 'only' 500 extras calories but way more); otherwise, I count my calories and I still manage to lose weight at a steady pace.
  • HealthyGinny
    HealthyGinny Posts: 821 Member
    I don't think most people here on this website know how to "listen to their body"... I punch a baby in the face every time I hear that term. Maybe you can learn...maybe...but, only after you count calories for a long time, like over a year, and learn what portion sizes LOOK like and how it FEELS AFTER you eat that portion size. It takes a long time to learn. I even have trouble with it and get tricked sometimes if I'm not counting. It's hard.

    And, I wasn't going to say anything, but just the title of the program is soooooooo scamy. EW!

    Agreed. Been at it more than a year now, I try to "listen" to my body, and most of the time, I still can't tell what it's telling me (sad? yes but true too). Not always sure if I'm truly hungry, or thirsty, or just craving sth sweet.