weight loss when no /little exercise due to disability
adarajames
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Hi
I used to be uber fit, trained hours every day and had to eat junk to keep up with calories used. Then my body got fed up with me not listening to its calls for rest and I got ME, was in bed for over a year and around 17 years later am still off sick and not able to do much in the way of exercise / physical work, or even mental work on bad days. At that time I was around 10 stone, only 5% or so body fat (yes I know, way too low for an adult female!), mostly muscle and loved how I looked.
I am now 40, not able to do much in the way of exercise but desperate to lose the weight that has crept on over the years of inactivity and depression. I have ME And fibromyalgea, which means felling like i have flu (the real thing, not that lesser 'man flu' ) with muscle pain and fatigue, joint pain, headahes, sore throat etc etc constantly, working up to curled in ball crying as feels like have skewers with razor blades at all angles stuck through my joints. This unsurprisingly limits the exercise I can do. Was doing a GP referred aqua class, but at 35 mins or so, was just too much and wiped me out for days afterwards and I couldn't afford the cost of it when could only actually manage about 10 mins of it, so I stopped going. I do manage a slow stroll most days in company of dogs, usually around 45-60 mins, sometimes longer, and a couple of days a week when it is shorter and occasionally none at all. HOwever, anything more energetic is pretty much a no go area.
I managed to lose around 2 stone in last 6 months or so with a calorie controlled diet from a company called Jane plan, food delivered for 5 days and then sort my own for the weekend. (real food, and not bad actually for diet meals, no additives etc and not meal replacement / bars etc which are generally foul!), lots fresh veg and salad, some fruit and occasional small treats. Obviously can't continue with the food delivery indefinetly, can't afford it (was a groupon offer which is why could afford it initially) and it gets a little boring after a while as being veggie, there was a limit to the number of dishes they make that were suitable; so looked for an alternative and came across the Fast Diet otherwise known as 5:2 or IF.
I started this 3 weeks ago with hope of weight loss as well as getting the benefits of lower cholestrol and improve insulin reactions / reduce diabetes risk, as both are issues in our family. Done 5 fast days, today was meant to be the next one but just got really fed up and blew it with chocolate and biscuits as after all the feeling hungry and headaches each fast day I've actually put on weight!! Everyone's stories of losing 3+lbs in first few weeks has really disheartened me when I've gained around the same in the past 3 weeks. I've not binged or anything on the 5 days, eaten well and healthily and pretty low cal from habit, but still I've gained weight Obviously the exercise has stayed much the same, but then it was when I lost the weight to date due to disability.
Very unimpressed at moment, especially as was hoping the fastdiet would help me to continue to lose a little more and then maintain without permanent calorie counting. and so am very disappointed to have had so little success with the 5:2 even though for only a short time to date, wouldn't have expected the gain I got!
My sister recommended the app for calorie counting, but my phone is currently refusing to download it, so logged on to this site to try and find some answers / ideas / support / thoughts to add me in my quest to lose some more weight and stay healthier.
Anyeone in a similar position and able to share any thoughts?
Thanks
Jo
currently 11st 2 lb
5 ft 6.5
I used to be uber fit, trained hours every day and had to eat junk to keep up with calories used. Then my body got fed up with me not listening to its calls for rest and I got ME, was in bed for over a year and around 17 years later am still off sick and not able to do much in the way of exercise / physical work, or even mental work on bad days. At that time I was around 10 stone, only 5% or so body fat (yes I know, way too low for an adult female!), mostly muscle and loved how I looked.
I am now 40, not able to do much in the way of exercise but desperate to lose the weight that has crept on over the years of inactivity and depression. I have ME And fibromyalgea, which means felling like i have flu (the real thing, not that lesser 'man flu' ) with muscle pain and fatigue, joint pain, headahes, sore throat etc etc constantly, working up to curled in ball crying as feels like have skewers with razor blades at all angles stuck through my joints. This unsurprisingly limits the exercise I can do. Was doing a GP referred aqua class, but at 35 mins or so, was just too much and wiped me out for days afterwards and I couldn't afford the cost of it when could only actually manage about 10 mins of it, so I stopped going. I do manage a slow stroll most days in company of dogs, usually around 45-60 mins, sometimes longer, and a couple of days a week when it is shorter and occasionally none at all. HOwever, anything more energetic is pretty much a no go area.
I managed to lose around 2 stone in last 6 months or so with a calorie controlled diet from a company called Jane plan, food delivered for 5 days and then sort my own for the weekend. (real food, and not bad actually for diet meals, no additives etc and not meal replacement / bars etc which are generally foul!), lots fresh veg and salad, some fruit and occasional small treats. Obviously can't continue with the food delivery indefinetly, can't afford it (was a groupon offer which is why could afford it initially) and it gets a little boring after a while as being veggie, there was a limit to the number of dishes they make that were suitable; so looked for an alternative and came across the Fast Diet otherwise known as 5:2 or IF.
I started this 3 weeks ago with hope of weight loss as well as getting the benefits of lower cholestrol and improve insulin reactions / reduce diabetes risk, as both are issues in our family. Done 5 fast days, today was meant to be the next one but just got really fed up and blew it with chocolate and biscuits as after all the feeling hungry and headaches each fast day I've actually put on weight!! Everyone's stories of losing 3+lbs in first few weeks has really disheartened me when I've gained around the same in the past 3 weeks. I've not binged or anything on the 5 days, eaten well and healthily and pretty low cal from habit, but still I've gained weight Obviously the exercise has stayed much the same, but then it was when I lost the weight to date due to disability.
Very unimpressed at moment, especially as was hoping the fastdiet would help me to continue to lose a little more and then maintain without permanent calorie counting. and so am very disappointed to have had so little success with the 5:2 even though for only a short time to date, wouldn't have expected the gain I got!
My sister recommended the app for calorie counting, but my phone is currently refusing to download it, so logged on to this site to try and find some answers / ideas / support / thoughts to add me in my quest to lose some more weight and stay healthier.
Anyeone in a similar position and able to share any thoughts?
Thanks
Jo
currently 11st 2 lb
5 ft 6.5
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It might be good if you open your diary to the public while asking for critiquing. Others can see what you've eaten and let you know their thoughts.
I'm not going to stand on a soap box about how Paleo has worked for me, but it's something to consider with letting your Dr know about any carb/dairy/grain restriction/high protein intake diet plan. It's the process of eating healthy with natrual foods, possibly like the ones you've had ordered through Jane plan, but with its own variation.
Base *net* calorie intake for women/men of any age and size is 1200/day. So intake minus exercise is will be considered while looking at your day to day plan.
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How much are you eating in a day? Many people eat too little. 1200 calories, for example, is not enough for any adult female...
Weight loss is primarily accomplished in the kitchen - it is something like 90% what we eat. We can eat chocolate and cookies (I do!) and still lose, as long as our calorie goal is a healthy one and we stick to it. Have you based your caloric intake on your TDEE?0 -
I have no advice. I just wanted to tell you I'm sorry for all that you're going through. I admire you for trying. Please keep your spirits up and don't give up.0
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I'm new here and am wading my through the posts that explain what the various acronyms TDEE etc mean.
My degree course in dance and sports science included various nutrition work etc, but that was rather a long time ago now, so trying to get the sluggish brain cells to recall any of it right now!
Also due to being new on here, I don't yet have more than the one day entry on the diary to share, not having kept a record whilst eating the delivered meals as it was all counted etc for me (makes life so much easier I have to admit!) so its just a general call for ideas / support etc until I have more to share / worked out what everything means!
Thanks for those that have replied
ETA the profile on here gives me a goal of 1240 cals daily, is that the total intake I should be aiming for, or should I be adding more to take into account any (the very little?!) amount of exercise I do? AM a little confused by the various explanations right now! (brain fog being another annoying symptom of ME)0 -
Find out your BMR number and TDEE number and ensure that you eat between these two numbers as least. Preferably eat at your TDEE figure minus a maximum of 20%.
A link to good information explaining BMR & TDEE and giving calculators is:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12
In relation to exercise. Although I do not know too much about this condition, I do know that exercise can in fact make the joint pain feel easier for sufferers. There are a number of things around that can help people with disabilities to exercise such as Theraband Resistance bands, cycles which are just pedals that you use sitting in a chair, dumbells and cycle machines that you turn with your arms. Contact your local disability centre as I am sure they will have ideas that will help.
Good luck:flowerforyou:0 -
You can lose unhealthy weight without exercise, as nutrition is the bulk of your weight loss results. Do what you can, whenever you can, exercise wise-every little bit helps:) I have many many joints that are in horrific shape, so I can relate on some level...it's hard for me because I actually WANT to work out and I am limited-hang in there:)0
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...it's hard for me because I actually WANT to work out and I am limited-hang in there:)
tell me about i! I soooo miss going to the gym or having a good spar in the dojo0 -
Sandradev thanks, have now worked out that post and that my intake should be between 1667-1910 depending on how sedentary a day is or not!
Not so happy about the BF calculation putting me at 33.2%! That rates as morbidly obese, and I'm certainly not that by whichever scale / chart / picture you look at! and that I should be aiming for 124 lb which is below 9 stone which seems a little extreme for someone nearly 5ft 7?! How much do we take these calculations with a pinch of (healthy low sodium!) salt and how much do we believe them?!0 -
I calculated your BMI at this site: http://www.active.com/fitness/calculators/bmi/ and came up with 26. Where did you get that other number from?0
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from http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/mbf/ as suggested int he link Sandra posted above0
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Sandradev thanks, have now worked out that post and that my intake should be between 1667-1910 depending on how sedentary a day is or not!
Not so happy about the BF calculation putting me at 33.2%! That rates as morbidly obese, and I'm certainly not that by whichever scale / chart / picture you look at! and that I should be aiming for 124 lb which is below 9 stone which seems a little extreme for someone nearly 5ft 7?! How much do we take these calculations with a pinch of (healthy low sodium!) salt and how much do we believe them?!
Its always difficult without having someone's full data numbers. The body fat is based on the American version, but the american zones for obese are higher too, so you probably fall into a lower group in reality.
If it helps, I am 5 ft 6 in and currently weight 168 lbs. I am 56 yrs old and apart from heavy weight lifting 3 x a week followed by 10 mins HIIT training on treadmill I am extremely sedentary as at home & carer for OH. I eat at my TDEE less 17% which gives me a calorie goal of 1459 . This figure is also above my BMR which keeps it healthy.
I have been consistently losing around 1 lb a week overall.
You can compare this with your stats and hope it helps. Remember that no calculator is ever going to be spot on, they are ALL (even MFP) estimates and as we lose the weight the numbers will all change.
ETA: my goal weight is 150 lbs even though the calculator put me at 143 lbs for large frame as I know that below 150 lbs I have looked too thin in the past. Will see when I get there:)0 -
I have fibromyalgia too. I am lucky in that my symptoms are rather mild, although i do get flare ups every now and then! I also have spinal scoliosis so exercise is restricted for me too
Its very difficult for people to understand unless you have experienced the intense pain it can cause. I end up drugged up trying to deal with the symptoms at times which means that day to day life can be almost impossible.
You are doing very well taking dogs for walks and i would try to build on that very slowly. What i find very interesting is that i danced and was a fitness instructor for years too. A few other sufferers i know were also once very fit!! Have you tried swimming?
I have lost most of my weight by calorie counting only. I ate at my BMR as I personally find that i have a sluggish metabolism too. I tried various other things, however they didn't work for me. Low calories and counting them carefully helped me and my Neurologist confirmed this was ok for me the last time I was admitted!
Do you attend any clinics? Maybe you could ask advice there?
I wish you all the best of luck xxx0 -
ETA the profile on here gives me a goal of 1240 cals daily, is that the total intake I should be aiming for, or should I be adding more to take into account any (the very little?!) amount of exercise I do? AM a little confused by the various explanations right now! (brain fog being another annoying symptom of ME)
1240 is your NET calories of the day. So"
[calories gained from food] - [exercise] = net calories.
You DON'T want to dip way under the 1240 number suggested, as this is can cause insulin disruption, fatigue, moodiness, and cravings from starvation mode. You'll be hurting yourself more than helping.
You don't *have* to exercise, as mentioned in an earlier post, to lose weight. But, with your condition and it being hard to exercise, you really have to be careful about what you eat during the day.
I can't find the calorie totals per day of that Jane diet from their website. Just don't go under 1200 calories a day!0 -
think they work out the cals per person depending on start weight etc which is why no set amount listed on the website, seem to think mine was around 1400 or so, wasn't too bad, didn't feel hungry very often, could munch veg sticks if did and lost weight steadily. If had more choice and I could afford it would carry on with it just for the ease of it all!
Cazzy, the dogs are very forgiving of my slow speed and of some days spending the day in bed with me as am too sore / exhausted to get out of bed Have tired swimming but it wipes me out more than many things, but might try it again, least it doesn't cost me anything to get into the pool as get a pass for local one due to disability, just the fuel to get there, so it doesn't matter if I only manage 5 mins I suppose
I don't go to any clinics, have to see doc soon as pain has got lot worse recently, so hoping can try and adjust meds or something to try reduce it again so walking isn't such an issue
Just done the shopping, loads veg, so back to counting cals and having soups and do it the old fashioned way once more!
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you can go into your profile and set your own personal goals, ones that are more realistic for you. I certainly can relate to you, I also have disabilities (CMT and degenerative bone and disc disease) and a lot of physical pain. The most important thing to remember is your MIND SET, place your thoughts into "your" reality, not what any program sets for you. What I mean by that is everything is based on the "average person", this can make it very depressive for someone who may not fall into that category. So what I try to do is put my mind set in a realistic place for me. I know I am not going to lose as fast and tone as well as the average, so those thoughts get flushed out and new ones take their place. As long as I try my best to do what I can when I can physically, that is better than doing nothing. I stay at 1,320 calories and divide them equally in my day, as to keep energy levels up. This program is great because I can enter a food that may not be in the data base, I can add my own recipes and get the nutritional info. for it, and I can record what exercise I do get in a day, even if it is just light housework (if it burns calories record it). When you do record calories burned this program recalculates your intake so that you stay where you should and do not go under or over. The best of luck to you.0
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Another struggling used to be at the gym 3 times a week m.e .er here.
I am doing 1200 calls a day to very little joy after approx 2 weeks.0
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