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I'm a female, 53 years old and just started going through menopause a year ago. I've always had a good normal weight of 125-130 pounds throughout my life now I weigh 165 pounds. I sure age has a lot to do with the weight gain since the metabolism has been slowing down. What I'm having trouble with is feeling hungry all the time and eating non-stop all day. I have never felt this way before the doctor said when you start losing hormones due to menopause this can happen. I will be getting my thyroid and hormones check soon.
Now to my question, MFP set my net calories to 1200 is this total number I should be eating every day? Also on the left side of the goals MFP set my calories at 1700 (rounding number) - 500 calories = 1200. What I'm thinking I have to eat 500 calories less to lose a pound a week. Please don't look at my diary I'm ashamed of the amount I eat and not to mention junk food. I am working on changing my eating habits one day at a time. I tried eating more protein and fiber but I still feel hungry. I've always had a secondary lifestyle but for the last two weeks been using Leslie Sansome dvds, 'Walking at Home', and burning 200 calories a day
Can anyone help me to figure out how calories I should be eating a day before exercising and should I eat back my exercise calories? I appreciate any help. Thanks.

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  • jzammetti
    jzammetti Posts: 1,956 Member
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    I think the best way to go is to eat based on your BMR/TDEE calculation. You can go to this website: www.fat2fitradio.com and use the military body fat calculator and hten the BMR calculator. Based on your activity level you can see how many calories you should eat to attain and maintain your goal weight.

    1200 is probably too low for you - I am 42 and eat 1750 a day to lose .5 per week (I am very close to goal - your loss will likely be faster at first).

    Remember - you should not eat below your BMR for an extended period of time as yoru BMR is what your body needs to maintain proper organ function. If your organs are not functioning properly, imagine how much harder it is to lose weight...so eat between your TDEE and BMR.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,124 Member
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    1200 is too low. Here:

    If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
    If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
    If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
    If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
    If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.


    You are responsible for choosing an accurate activity level. Don't try to speed up the process by choosing "Sedentary" just because it is an option.

    Almost no one is Sedentary. If you care for children at home, or go to school or have any type of job, you are not Sedentary. Choose accordingly.


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/186814-some-mfp-basics

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/61706-guide-to-calorie-deficits

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/8977-your-body-s-thoughts-on-calories
  • sofielein
    sofielein Posts: 539 Member
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    We can't look at your diary as it is friends only :D

    First of all, you are not old! 83 is old :) 53 is not. Stop calling yourself "old". On the weight loss: this can very from person to person, but my 2 cents are:

    1. Frequent eating _is_ encouraged by doctors and dieteticians. Much better than 2-3 large meals a day.
    2. Definitely age and hormones play a role, but 1200 kcal /depending on your lifestyle - do you sit all day?/ is quite low, I do 1200 as well, and yes, losing weight can mean that you have to be a _little_ hungry sometimes...
    3. You can probably achieve much slower, but more comfortable results doing 1400 kcal a day. By comfortable I mean less feelings of hungry.

    What works for me is the 3 hour rule. Albeit I don't eat breakfast, my first meal is at 12:00, I do this:
    12:00 approx 250 calories
    15:00 approx 500 calories
    18:00 approx 400 calories
    21:00 approx 100-200 calories depending on how hungry. maybe nothing

    the last meal should positively not include flour, sugar, or any of that junk. when VERY hungry I make 1 cooked potato, salt it, put half a teaspoon butter on it, and for the sweet taste I make a large lemon tea with sweetener. The potato stuff is if the craving is strong... otherwise just tuna or fruits or a bite of chicken breast with tomatoes.

    Maybe you want to try it out if working out a similar plan works for you?
  • DocMarr
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    I'm 52 and in perimenopause. Over the past year I have lost 30lbs and have averaged 1700-2100 calories per day. I certainly wouldn't eat 1200. That's far too few calories. The one thing I would say, though, is that to do that I had to increase my exercise. On a day when I am very sedentary I would burn 1600 calories. So if I want to eat more than 1600 (which I always do) then I exercise to 'earn' more calories. That way I've never been hungry. I too would recommend you listen to the 'Fat 2 Fit radio' website and listen to the audio files about their philosophy. Good luck!
  • Firefox7275
    Firefox7275 Posts: 2,040 Member
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    I'm a female, 53 years old and just started going through menopause a year ago. I've always had a good normal weight of 125-130 pounds throughout my life now I weigh 165 pounds. I sure age has a lot to do with the weight gain since the metabolism has been slowing down. What I'm having trouble with is feeling hungry all the time and eating non-stop all day. I have never felt this way before the doctor said when you start losing hormones due to menopause this can happen. I will be getting my thyroid and hormones check soon.
    Now to my question, MFP set my net calories to 1200 is this total number I should be eating every day? Also on the left side of the goals MFP set my calories at 1700 (rounding number) - 500 calories = 1200. What I'm thinking I have to eat 500 calories less to lose a pound a week. Please don't look at my diary I'm ashamed of the amount I eat and not to mention junk food. I am working on changing my eating habits one day at a time. I tried eating more protein and fiber but I still feel hungry. I've always had a secondary lifestyle but for the last two weeks been using Leslie Sansome dvds, 'Walking at Home', and burning 200 calories a day
    Can anyone help me to figure out how calories I should be eating a day before exercising and should I eat back my exercise calories? I appreciate any help. Thanks.

    Please don't be ashamed, your diary is locked anyway and most people here want to help not judge, many of us have eaten badly at some point in our lives. Without seeing your diary it's difficult to know where to begin. The body needs protein and fibre and water and fats for complete satiety, if you don't eat enough of these or miss out one it doesn't always work. You need to simultaneously avoid or limit the foods that cause blood sugar peaks and troughs, plus eat enough overall calories. Not sure what you mean by 'more' protein and fibre - how many grams of each a day?

    How many servings of low sugar fruits and non starchy vegetables are you having, how many of oily fish, how many of reduced fat dairy? Could you be deficient on any vitamins or minerals? How many times a day are you eating? Are you having breakfast as soon as you arise including plenty of protein, fibre, water and a little fat? Can you get the junk and processed stuff out of the house so you can't access it, only go to the store once a week or less and only on a very full stomach with a list?

    Do you have a pedometer? You should be doing 10,000 steps every day for basic health, 200 calories is a good start but it's a drop in the ocean if you are not even getting the basic lifestyle activity. With a sedentary lifestyle you lose muscle mass every year, this reduces the metabolism and the process is accelerated with the menopause. You should consider getting some strength training in there to boost or maintain your muscle mass and 'tone' you up. You can start with something gentle like Pilates, but ideally get some professional instruction even if you return to home exercise. Also if you can get outside and walk some hills or stairs that will help with leg strength and muscle.

    And I agree you are not old - I am 40 and I recently got ID'd! I don't think I can go from looking 24 to being old in the next decade or so. I don't even think my parents are old and they are in their late sixties, they keep themselves busy and part of this crazy bunch http://www.xor.org.uk/silkroute/index.html
  • Gerald_King
    Gerald_King Posts: 2,031 Member
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    I think the best way to go is to eat based on your BMR/TDEE calculation. You can go to this website: www.fat2fitradio.com and use the military body fat calculator and hten the BMR calculator. Based on your activity level you can see how many calories you should eat to attain and maintain your goal weight.

    1200 is probably too low for you - I am 42 and eat 1750 a day to lose .5 per week (I am very close to goal - your loss will likely be faster at first).

    Remember - you should not eat below your BMR for an extended period of time as yoru BMR is what your body needs to maintain proper organ function. If your organs are not functioning properly, imagine how much harder it is to lose weight...so eat between your TDEE and BMR.



    This ^^^^^^^
  • DocMarr
    DocMarr Posts: 132 Member
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    And like the above poster, 53 is old? Rubbish, woman! You are but a stripling with lots of life and living ahead of you - go out and grab it!
  • DocMarr
    DocMarr Posts: 132 Member
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    Finally, I'd suggest an excellent book that will explain about how to keep fit and healthy into your 80s and beyond - it's called 'Younger Next Year' and it will be the best few £s or $s you ever spend!
  • NaomiJFoster
    NaomiJFoster Posts: 1,450 Member
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    I'm 44 and have been in perimenopause for several years. I'm not enjoying it! The sudden weight gain was a shock to me. I had been going along just fine, eating and exercising with my own routine and that was keeping me pretty steady. Then suddenly at around age 38, the periods changed drastically and I gained around10-ish pounds each year until now...I'm 40 pounds heavier than I was 6 years ago. I just couldn't keep up, so then I got flustered and *gave* up. Now I'm getting serious, though, and I'm going to get back to healthy.

    Anyway, I've only been 'seriously' working at it for about 3 months. I've lost 12 pounds. MFP is really making a difference for me. I log everything, and I can actually see where I'm slacking off, where I need to do better, where I need to work harder. With it all spelled out for me, it's harder to ignore it and it's harder to pretend that it isn't such a big deal. It's real.

    I'm a Leslie Sansone fan too. And Fitness Blender...try those videos for some change of pace and for some strength training.

    And just know that you aren't alone. There are many of us going through the insanity that is perimenopause.
  • Darlene4prayers
    Darlene4prayers Posts: 148 Member
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    Thanks everyone for the information I have learned so much. My family and friends tell me I'm not old either. I will have to get that word, 'old' out of my vocabulary. Thanks for the positive and inspiration replies.
  • kimberliiw
    kimberliiw Posts: 242 Member
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    I'm 55 and not old! I know what you mean about the menopause wreaking havoc. I did the BMR and TDEE calculations previously mentioned and am eating 1350 to 1400 cals a day and am 5'2". I think exercise is a key point of getting me through menopause. You don't have to be a workout monster, just do what you can when you can even if it's just 10 minutes at a time. I just got done running on the treadmill for half an hour in 10 minute increments. Also strength training is great. I've been doing Chalean Extreme and got a weight bench for Christmas. I think keeping it real is important also. I am basically eating the same things as before, just watching my portions, limiting fatty foods and upping fruits and veggies. Enjoy this time in your life. I of course want to look good, but it's not my main goal and I find it freeing to not be uptight about my body image like when I was younger and spent hours at the gym.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
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    I'm a female, 53 years old and just started going through menopause a year ago. I've always had a good normal weight of 125-130 pounds throughout my life now I weigh 165 pounds. I sure age has a lot to do with the weight gain since the metabolism has been slowing down. What I'm having trouble with is feeling hungry all the time and eating non-stop all day. I have never felt this way before the doctor said when you start losing hormones due to menopause this can happen. I will be getting my thyroid and hormones check soon.
    Now to my question, MFP set my net calories to 1200 is this total number I should be eating every day? Also on the left side of the goals MFP set my calories at 1700 (rounding number) - 500 calories = 1200. What I'm thinking I have to eat 500 calories less to lose a pound a week. Please don't look at my diary I'm ashamed of the amount I eat and not to mention junk food. I am working on changing my eating habits one day at a time. I tried eating more protein and fiber but I still feel hungry. I've always had a secondary lifestyle but for the last two weeks been using Leslie Sansome dvds, 'Walking at Home', and burning 200 calories a day
    Can anyone help me to figure out how calories I should be eating a day before exercising and should I eat back my exercise calories? I appreciate any help. Thanks.

    The bad news is that new research has demonstrated that eating junk food (very high in carbs--especially sugar) damages one's metabolism. Several docs have discovered that their patients' thyroid function improves when their patients eliminate sugar and cut back on carbs (to 100-200 grams per day--with the higher amount on exercise days). So you probably have damaged your metabolism. The GOOD NEWS is that you can get healthier by avoiding the foods that have damaged you and eating the foods that are good for you. My body was a total wreck a little over a year ago. I was 100 pounds over-fat, had high blood sugar-- was"pre-diabetic," and had high blood pressure (was on two different medications, both of which made me sick and achy all the time). I had mood swings, was diagnosed with "gouty arthritis" and caught every single bug that was going around. Then I got mad about feeling so crummy (and I'm older than you, so stop calling yourself old! :wink: ) I read LOTS of stuff about aging and health (aging is a lot about disease and pre-disease states). Since I started my "get healthy" campaign, I have lost 50 pounds of fat (7.5 inches off my waist) gotten off of both blood pressure meds, normalized my blood sugar numbers, my joints haven't felt this good since I was a teenager, and I generally feel GREAT! I know that, in due time, I will lose the other 50 and keep it off--unless I can't exercise for some reason. :frown: In the course of my journey, I arrived at some bits of knowledge that I remind myself of every day:

    1) Sugar will make you sick and too many simple carbs will make you sick. The more you eat of them, the sicker you will get.

    2) Exercise must be viewed as just another type of nourishment for your body (and I have been sedentary most of my life). You really start to shrink when you get your exercise level to 150 minutes a week but for optimum fat burn, three hours or more is better. But listen to your body and build up slowly. I know that I will have to increase my exercise for the second half of my journey (because you have to have a minimum number of calories to be properly nourished so, you have to just expend more calories as you get closer to your goal weight).

    3) You will not do exercise you don't like or if it hurts you. So strive to find one that you DO like and stay with it (and everyone can find something. Mine is swimming and water aerobics because I have arthritis and I also do not perspire well, so I tend to overheat and faint doing non-water exercise.)

    4) Vegetables are especially healing. (Too bad if you don't like them---eat them anyway. Once you stop eating so much junk, you may find that you actually like them after all.) Fruits are potent healers too but should be limited to one serving or two servings a day max while you are trying to lose body fat. (Bears get very fat by gorging on massive amounts of wild blueberries and buffalo berries at the end of summer. But then they use up their body fat when they hibernate. Now...If we could only figure out how to hibernate...:wink: )

    5) Don't eat "low-fat" or especially "no-fat" processed foods. They take out the fat, and put in sugar and/or starch to replace the fat they've taken out. Studies have shown that it is possible to lose weight on "no-fat" foods but that when the diet is stopped, the participants tend to regain (probably because they have depleted their essential fatty acids, among other things). Our ancestors ate about the same amount of fat as we do--but they were thin. Now, most of them DID get a lot more exercise than we do (they did heavy manual labor and they walked a lot) but, interestingly, they also ate fewer calories over all--even when food was cheap and plentiful. Where do our extra calories come from today? Simple carbohydrates, and especially sugar. Our per capita consumption of sugar in this country has gone from 5 pounds a year in 1900 to 150 pounds a year now! :noway: It would be bad enough if it were just "empty calories" (which it is--and we can ill-afford "empty" calories on a calorie-restricted diet) but it is worse than that. The rise of obesity and Type II diabetes (which is really just one disease--some researchers term it "diabesity") perfectly tracks the rise in the consumption of sugar. Like other addictive substances, we tend to want to eat more and more of it. There's a book called, "The Fat Switch" by cardiologist/renal specialist, Richard J. Johnson, M.D. whose research has demonstrated that fructose (table sugar is 50% fructose) is dangerous to eat in large quantities because of the metabolic derangement that it causes. One small orange has about 2 grams of fructose, one can of soda (which is sweetened with high fructose corn syrup) has about 26 grams out of a total of 44 grams of sugar.

    6) Wheat is addictive for me so I have eliminated wheat products and replaced it with 100% organic whole rye bread--no one "pigs out" on 100% whole rye bread--they would be physically unable to eat anything else. It's that filling--unlike refined wheat. I could eat a half loaf of fresh white wheat bread in one sitting, in the past. (See the book, "Wheat Belly" for some interesting bio-chemistry on wheat consumption.)

    7) Don't try to take "shortcuts" by limiting your intake even further than what is recommended. The idea is slow and healthy loss of body fat. Losing lean muscle mass will hurt you in the long run, which is what will happen if you don't keep your calories up and make every one of them contribute to better health. It doesn't seem fair that we can gain body fat much quicker than we lose it, but that's just the way it is. A bear puts on a lot of fat very quickly and loses it over a period of at least 6 months. There's probably a survival mechanism operating there---both for the bear and for us. We need to be grateful for that--otherwise, we likely wouldn't be here having this discussion. :smile:
  • Darlene4prayers
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  • tekwriter
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    I don't know if it is so in your case but prior to being diagnosed with hypothyroidism I was starving constantly. I kept telling the Dr. but I ams so hungry I can't stick to this 1200 calorie sheet he passed off. i changed Dr.'s and the first thing she did was test my thyroid. It was extreme. I now take 188mcg's of synthroid every day. My skin is no longer cracked, I am no longer sleepy all the time, my legs don't hurt anymore and I can lose weight although it is harder. I also am not constantly sincerely hungry. Best of luck to you!!
  • RetiredAndLovingIt
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  • mistesh
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    I sure age has a lot to do with the weight gain since the metabolism has been slowing down.

    You may want to read an online article by Joel Fuhrman entitled Slow metabolism linked to longevity, which says that "raising your metabolism is not the key to weight loss." But could speed up aging, which is not so nice.
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  • SanteMulberry
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    I sure age has a lot to do with the weight gain since the metabolism has been slowing down.

    You may want to read an online article by Joel Fuhrman entitled Slow metabolism linked to longevity, which says that "raising your metabolism is not the key to weight loss." But could speed up aging, which is not so nice.

    Yeah, I think that is the likely mechanism operating in the rat longevity experiments they did a number of years ago. They discovered that if they cut the rat rations in half, that the rats became thinner but that they also lived quite a bit longer than their lab-mates who received a normal level of rationing . The metabolism of the deprived rats probably fell off a bit. Now, it is important to note that laboratory rat food is nutritionally complete (unlike our SAD diets which are full of junk food). Consequently, it would not do to cut the typical human diet in half as that would likely lead to some kind of nutritional disease in short order. One of the main reasons why it is a bad idea to include junk food in a calorie-restricted diet. Not only does it lead to nutritional deficiencies but an even likelier prospect is that the weight will be regained in the body's relentless pursuit of what it needs to be healthy.
  • Danni3ll3
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    I just want to encourage you that you can lose the weight. I have lost almost 50 pounds during peri and post menopause. The key for me was walking. I started with 5 km a day and built up to anywhere from 8 to 12 km daily. Of course, there are days i can't fit it in but I walk at least 5 days out of the week.

    It did get harder as I am getting closer to my goal weight but MFP is helping with that. I am doing the TDEE - 20% and am losing about a half pound a week. If I can do it, so can you! Good luck!
  • tmauck4472
    tmauck4472 Posts: 1,785 Member
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    I'm a female, 53 years old and just started going through menopause a year ago. I've always had a good normal weight of 125-130 pounds throughout my life now I weigh 165 pounds. I sure age has a lot to do with the weight gain since the metabolism has been slowing down. What I'm having trouble with is feeling hungry all the time and eating non-stop all day. I have never felt this way before the doctor said when you start losing hormones due to menopause this can happen. I will be getting my thyroid and hormones check soon.
    Now to my question, MFP set my net calories to 1200 is this total number I should be eating every day? Also on the left side of the goals MFP set my calories at 1700 (rounding number) - 500 calories = 1200. What I'm thinking I have to eat 500 calories less to lose a pound a week. Please don't look at my diary I'm ashamed of the amount I eat and not to mention junk food. I am working on changing my eating habits one day at a time. I tried eating more protein and fiber but I still feel hungry. I've always had a secondary lifestyle but for the last two weeks been using Leslie Sansome dvds, 'Walking at Home', and burning 200 calories a day
    Can anyone help me to figure out how calories I should be eating a day before exercising and should I eat back my exercise calories? I appreciate any help. Thanks.

    I'm 51 and I've been in menopause for about 2 years now, and so my loss should tell you it can be done. Everyone's body is different no matter what others may tell you. Drives me nuts when people say THIS is what you have to do to lose weight cause nothing else is right and nothing else works. We are all supposed to work the same way but we don't, if that were true we'd all be skinny or we'd all be fat. So it's safe to say we all lose the weight different ways. I do my way and love it, cause it works perfectly for me. Find something that works for you and don't be discouraged if it doesn't work, learn to adjust and remove or add things to find the perfect balance for you. Fasting works, eating several small meals a day works, eating low works, eating high works, eating low carb works, carb recyclying works, eating paleo works, find what works for you and don't let others tell you that their way is the best because your way is the best for you (when you find your way).

    BTW, when I get the chance to exercise I don't eat my exercise calories back, learned it doesn't work for me. It may work for you.