Runner's death linked to Jack3d
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Just an FYI ...
I saw someone posting about Jack3d or Jacked3d and, curious, I did a search and found this recent article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/9838168/Claire-Squires-never-stood-a-chance-after-taking-amphetamine-in-London-Marathon.html
I saw someone posting about Jack3d or Jacked3d and, curious, I did a search and found this recent article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/9838168/Claire-Squires-never-stood-a-chance-after-taking-amphetamine-in-London-Marathon.html
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I don't know much about it, but I do know that when my brother was in marine boot it was taken away from the guys. Apparently it was being misused or something and some kid got sick. I don't know the details, but I do know that its probly not good to take.0
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I don't know much about it, but I do know that when my brother was in marine boot it was taken away from the guys. Apparently it was being misused or something and some kid got sick. I don't know the details, but I do know that its probly not good to take.
The intentional misuse of a substance causing health problems? Say it ain't so. Holy hell...all of the warning labels in the world can't save people from themselves.0 -
To be fair to the girl in question, this stuff was legal in the UK last April when she took it, so not exactly 'misuse' so much as perhaps 'misguided'. It was made illegal in August, four months after she died. Dreadful though, she was perfectly fit and healthy.0
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The BBC article said it had been banned in the US first after soldiers died having used it. It seems that when combined with extreme strenuous exercise the heart just couldn't cope.
The poor girl who died didn't like the taste of it but put 1 scoop in her water bottle to help her if she 'hit the wall' in the marathon...0 -
Isn't new. ECA stack has been killing people for years. Any hardcore stimulant should be avoided.0
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Misuse of products is usually the culprit rather than the product itself.
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Jack3d is a pre-workout. It was removed and considered dangerous by the FDA because some idiot kid O.D'd on it from taking more than one scoop, which the labeling on the back clearly states 'don't take more than 1 scoop'. Personally I like the product but it's banned from store shelves, and I can't use it because of 1,3 Dimethylamylamine which is prohibited from most natural bodybuilding shows.0
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I agree with ninerbuff. Plus she shouldn't have taken this supplement before a marathon in the first place when she never had it before especially that much. This is not news against any supplement company just utter ignorance.0
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Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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couldnt of said it better myself0
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Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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Well Said!0 -
Agree, well said!0
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Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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^^^ Totally totally agree with this!!0 -
Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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A woman who used a strong stimulant with a known heart issue (irregular heart beat) and running a long distance (25 miles, known not to be safe and advised not to be done with heart issues) and ignored the warning on the tub that says
"The Jack3d BLACK BOX WARNING reads: "This product produces an intense sensation of drive, focus, energy,motivation & awareness. In addition, it allows for rapid increases instrength, speed, power & endurance. Therefore, extreme caution must be exercised & should not be used by novice athletes.Use with caution under strict dosing protocols."
Further more the pathologist said MAY have contributed to her death. Not DID. Lets get the facts straight.0 -
On Wednesday a coroner ruled that the most likely cause off her death was a single dose of Jack3d, a performance-enhancing supplement that at the time was legal to buy, possess and use.
"Most likely" is somewhat more conclusive than "may"0 -
Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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A woman who used a strong stimulant with a known heart issue (irregular heart beat) and running a long distance (25 miles, known not to be safe and advised not to be done with heart issues) and ignored the warning on the tub that says
"The Jack3d BLACK BOX WARNING reads: "This product produces an intense sensation of drive, focus, energy,motivation & awareness. In addition, it allows for rapid increases instrength, speed, power & endurance. Therefore, extreme caution must be exercised & should not be used by novice athletes.Use with caution under strict dosing protocols."
Further more the pathologist said MAY have contributed to her death. Not DID. Lets get the facts straight.
The UK doesn't have black box warnings.... the coroner said she was misled. Misled, because there was no indication on the product that she was buying of the fact it contained amphetamine or the potential dangers from it.0 -
Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
End of
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A woman who used a strong stimulant with a known heart issue (irregular heart beat) and running a long distance (25 miles, known not to be safe and advised not to be done with heart issues) and ignored the warning on the tub that says
"The Jack3d BLACK BOX WARNING reads: "This product produces an intense sensation of drive, focus, energy,motivation & awareness. In addition, it allows for rapid increases instrength, speed, power & endurance. Therefore, extreme caution must be exercised & should not be used by novice athletes.Use with caution under strict dosing protocols."
Further more the pathologist said MAY have contributed to her death. Not DID. Lets get the facts straight.
The UK doesn't have black box warnings.... the coroner said she was misled. Misled, because there was no indication on the product that she was buying of the fact it contained amphetamine or the potential dangers from it.
DMAA is not amphetamine, nor is it in the same family.
I am from the UK, and it does have the black box warnings.
Some people here clearly don't understand DMAA and what it does and how it works, aside from what they have heard in the press.
I don't use, nor ever have, used DMAA based products, I don't like stims myself but there reporting in the media and the hysteria here shows a complete misunderstanding.
Not surprising as it is to do with bodybuilding.
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I feel I should say the following:
If we forget DMAA as a potential poison. Everyone seems to agree it's a stimulant?
So the bare bones are, if you give someone who's heart is really "on the edge" a stimulant, you're not normally going to get a happy result.
Simple fact is she pushed her body too hard when it was already on the edge.0 -
I think the fact that DMAA has been made illegal says everything that needs to be said. She didn't deserve to die and given the ambiguity on the warning on the product I find it hard to comprehend how it can be suggested that she was at fault in some way.0
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I think the fact that DMAA has been made illegal says everything that needs to be said. She didn't deserve to die and given the ambiguity on the warning on the product I find it hard to comprehend how it can be suggested that she was at fault in some way.
Legality means nothing. And it is not illegal. It is about money in the most part.
The MHRA now classify it as a drug, and that it has to be given a classification and licensed to be sold as one, not a dietary aid. In the same way that the MHRA said that milk thistle, Horny Goat Weed and terrestris tribulus are considered medicinal now and need licencing despite being sold for as long as I can remember... and this licence costs literally thousands to purchase which for most companies make it impossible for them to afford.
Are you really that led to believe legality has anything to do with safety?0 -
I think the fact that DMAA has been made illegal says everything that needs to be said. She didn't deserve to die and given the ambiguity on the warning on the product I find it hard to comprehend how it can be suggested that she was at fault in some way.
Well said and it mimics amphetamine and behaves in a similar way.
And did she know she had a heart condition?0 -
Are you really that led to believe legality has anything to do with safety?
Amen, how many drugs are legal almost everywhere and prescribed by doctors that have some awful side-effects and even lead to death, complications, suicide and also the death of others...
I believe this is an all out attempt as usual for the obliteration of free choice. The government is always attempting to quash alternative therapies and such. Here is another ploy to get supplements banned and off the shelves. Disgusting. (what has the news been all about lately - this runner, the stuff about celebs using this and that supplement, etc, get the picture?!)
p.s. I have other issues with this investigation, other than the fact they are blaming the supplement. There are a few more factors that are involved I suspect...0 -
It's not a good idea to take pre-workout supplement at any dosage and do cardio.0
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I think the fact that DMAA has been made illegal says everything that needs to be said. She didn't deserve to die and given the ambiguity on the warning on the product I find it hard to comprehend how it can be suggested that she was at fault in some way.
Legality means nothing. And it is not illegal. It is about money in the most part.
The MHRA now classify it as a drug, and that it has to be given a classification and licensed to be sold as one, not a dietary aid. In the same way that the MHRA said that milk thistle, Horny Goat Weed and terrestris tribulus are considered medicinal now and need licencing despite being sold for as long as I can remember... and this licence costs literally thousands to purchase which for most companies make it impossible for them to afford.
Are you really that led to believe legality has anything to do with safety?
Why do you feel the need to defend this so much?0 -
I think the fact that DMAA has been made illegal says everything that needs to be said. She didn't deserve to die and given the ambiguity on the warning on the product I find it hard to comprehend how it can be suggested that she was at fault in some way.
Did she consult her doctor before using the product? And while I have not seen the label of the UK version, it is most certainly labeled in the US version.
It was banned in the US due to stupidity of some some users and an overzealous government, also see ephedra, four loko etc etc0 -
I think the fact that DMAA has been made illegal says everything that needs to be said. She didn't deserve to die and given the ambiguity on the warning on the product I find it hard to comprehend how it can be suggested that she was at fault in some way.
Well said and it mimics amphetamine and behaves in a similar way.
And did she know she had a heart condition?
It is not thought she had a heart condition - an acupuncturist 'diagnosed' it but the coroner said it had never been picked up by her GP so it's highly unlikely she had an irregular heartbeat.
She was fit, healthy and exercised several times a week. She was also an experienced runner and had done marathons and half marathons before. But sadly she trusted that something you can buy off the shelf was safe to take - as most of us would. The ingredient that is thought to have led to her death has now been removed from the product.
If anyone would like any good to come out of this then please donate money to the Samaritans (a charity that runs crisis telephone lines for people at risk of suicide) . Claire's page is here: http://www.justgiving.com/Claire-Squires2/eurl.axd/a1df7328ec1e8c4a89dc827789b695e10 -
Let's ban caffeine too
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sleep/british-man-dies-caffeine-overdose/story?id=120330050 -
Did she consult her doctor before using the product? And while I have not seen the label of the UK version, it is most certainly labeled in the US version.
It was banned in the US due to stupidity of some some users and an overzealous government, also see ephedra, four loko etc etc
Thank you...government intervention...enough said, this is exactly where this is all leading...
If anyone would like any good to come out of this then please donate money to the Samaritans (a charity that runs crisis telephone lines for people at risk of suicide)
No, if anyone wants any good to come of this, stop listening to the mainstream answers...the government wants control...are we not all adults, can we not research and decide for ourselves anymore....fight the system....this is one of many stories that are going to crop up now, just you wait and see...
Yeah, let's ban caffeine and alcohol and nicotine while we are at it, shall we?!0 -
Claire Squires did not "misuse" anything. She was totally misled by the product which contained a amphetamine which has various product names DMAA and also known as dimethylamylamine. Also known as a geranium extract.
The labelling was misleading to deceptively hide the ingredient and Claire Squires was totally innocent regarding taking this.
She was neither niave or misusing, she was misled.
The labelling and product has now been amended to remove the ingredient as it is now banned.
She was also therefore incredibly unlucky and an unfortunate victim of poorly regulated UK supplement and nutrition law.
Please lets not have a debate about whether this poor girl knew about it, was misusing or anything else.
You don't know the facts.
Lets focus on the positive, her life and unfortunate death raised £1 million for great causes.
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AMEN. THIS.0 -
I am defending it because a logical mind will see that this is media hysteria.
There are so many products available OTC out there that are dangerous and can do the same thing it is crazy just to look at this one single report and consider it the font of all knowledge.
Look at it with open eyes. Medically, beyond this coroners report there is no medical proof linking DMAA to anything at recommend dosages. The only other reports were from a was a 21 year old male from new Zealand taking 556mg combined with caffeine and alcohol,which seems very stupid but didn't cause death AND the two US marines who too 10-20x the dose recommended.#
Another way to look at it - GNC spokesman Greg Miller said the company has sold 440 million doses of DMAA products since 2007, with only one report of any problems.
It is a pretty safe compound.0
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