THE POLAR HRM VS. THE MACHINE (AND MFP) CALORIE COUNTERS
dallas4u
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I bought a Polar FT4 HRM. It is very basic and just gives me my HR and total calories burned. I entered all my settings (age 42, 4'11 and 161 lbs yikes!). I bought it because I was not losing weight. I was relying on the calories displayed on MFP and the Precor. Then, I was probably overeating my calories based upon those calorie counts.
I am amazed and actually pretty shocked at the reading from the HRM on the total calories that I burned today:
CXWorks - HRM said 110 calories (Les Mills Site and Instructors previously claimed that class burned up to 500 calories).
PreCor Elliptical 60 Minutes - HRM said 375 calories. Machine said 650 calories burned (note that the machine does read my HRM strap so the HRM on the machine and on my watch did match).
I felt the same amount of exertion and effort that I did prior to wearing the HRM. I am just so shocked at how low the HRM calories compared to readings on the machine and claims on the Les Mills site.
I am unsure which numbers to trust.
I am amazed and actually pretty shocked at the reading from the HRM on the total calories that I burned today:
CXWorks - HRM said 110 calories (Les Mills Site and Instructors previously claimed that class burned up to 500 calories).
PreCor Elliptical 60 Minutes - HRM said 375 calories. Machine said 650 calories burned (note that the machine does read my HRM strap so the HRM on the machine and on my watch did match).
I felt the same amount of exertion and effort that I did prior to wearing the HRM. I am just so shocked at how low the HRM calories compared to readings on the machine and claims on the Les Mills site.
I am unsure which numbers to trust.
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trust your chest strap. I found the exact same things when I got mine and WOW what a difference it has made once I knew how much I was actually burning versus what I thought I was!0
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You trust your HRM. It takes into consideration your age, gender and heart rate AS WELL AS your weight. I used to run on the treadmill and burn "755" calories when in reality, as per my HRM, I burn 482. Sucks, yep, but at least you know now.
So trust your HRM. Eat calories according to your HRM, and if you are still hungry and worry your HRM may be underestimating, have a healthy snack
))) But yes. More people need to understand/know that more often than not machines are tuned to an average MALE, and males burn more than females. 0 -
Trust your HRM with the chest strap. My recumbent bike says I burn three times the calories that I do according to my Suunto M4 HRM. MFP almost always overestimated cardio exercise calorie burn too. The good news is that with accurate information you can better control your net calories :-)0
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Well, prior to the HRM, I was eating as if I was burning 800-1000 calories. LOL. No wonder I couldn't seem to lose weight. In fact, I gained some.
Too bad there is so much misinformation on those machines and from others. If I was an instructor, I would be advising people to get an HRM for accurate calorie counts.0 -
I totally agree. Trust the HRM. If you have been eating back your calories up to this point, this should solve your problem of not losing.0
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I have a Polar ft4...it is pretty accurate. I knock off about 15% to account for BMR calories per session...when I do that and compare it to a VO2 calorie calculator, it's almost dead on. When it comes to calorie burn, there are just too many variable to simply take a number off a database. Numbers in a database were someone else's burn...they may or may not have been more fit..may be taller or shorter...heavier or lighter, etc. Too many variables. Trust your HRM.
One of the reasons people struggle with eating exercise calories and losing weight is because they dramatically over estimate burn from their workouts using numbers in a database. Machines can be somewhat accurate, but only if you input all of your personal data...otherwise, it's just a formula based on averages.0 -
Ditto on the hrm. On average I burn 1/3 less than what gym machines tell me. Gym machines are set to count calories for an average sized man. If you're an average sized man, that's great, but otherwise...0
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Trust your HRM.0
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Until I purchased my FT4, I thought I was working out hard.......how quickly I learned that I had to really push myself in order to get the calories burned that I wanted. Wish I had purchased the hrm when I first started here!0
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Then there are those folks who like the overly dramatic burns......if you use calculators based on average heart rate I can't see how they get 1000 calorie burns in an hour+/-. HRM is most accurate, if you can't afford one check your heart rate intermittently and utilize a calculator site like this one:
http://www.triathlontrainingblog.com/calculators/calories-burned-calculator-based-on-average-heart-rate/
Be sure to put int he 35% O2 number for accuracy. I have checked the site against my HRM and it is reliable.0 -
Same here, the Precor elliptical at my gym shows a calorie burn of 650/hour. My hubby bought me a Polar HRM for Valentine's day and I've used it twice now and the actual burn is just over 500/hour. I always find the machines grossly overestimate.0
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Well, prior to the HRM, I was eating as if I was burning 800-1000 calories. LOL. No wonder I couldn't seem to lose weight. In fact, I gained some.
Too bad there is so much misinformation on those machines and from others. If I was an instructor, I would be advising people to get an HRM for accurate calorie counts.
Yep, before I bought my HRM, I was recording my exercise burns of twice as many by MFP database. I don't eat back my calories, so it wasn't making a difference in losing, but I was wondering why I wasn't losing 4 pounds a week like MFP said I should be. Before I joined here, I had never known of a weight loss program that told you to 'eat back' your exercise calories burned, so it didn't make sense to me anyway. The only time I knew of people eating back their cals, was when I was training with pro body builders who ate theirs back to make sure they DIDN'T lose weight.
Apparently tho, for some people, the MFP numbers are fairly accurate, so they argue against any suggestions for changes in the way they are calculated on here.
But I tell everyone I know, to get a good HRM like Polar.0 -
I had the same experience, Precor treadmill says 1100 calories YAY! HRM says 749.....boo! But I figure I will take the lowest to calculate. If is actually higher then it is all a BONUS!0
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Well, prior to the HRM, I was eating as if I was burning 800-1000 calories. LOL. No wonder I couldn't seem to lose weight. In fact, I gained some.
Too bad there is so much misinformation on those machines and from others. If I was an instructor, I would be advising people to get an HRM for accurate calorie counts.
Yep, before I bought my HRM, I was recording my exercise burns of twice as many by MFP database. I don't eat back my calories, so it wasn't making a difference in losing, but I was wondering why I wasn't losing 4 pounds a week like MFP said I should be. Before I joined here, I had never known of a weight loss program that told you to 'eat back' your exercise calories burned, so it didn't make sense to me anyway. The only time I knew of people eating back their cals, was when I was training with pro body builders who ate theirs back to make sure they DIDN'T lose weight.
Apparently tho, for some people, the MFP numbers are fairly accurate, so they argue against any suggestions for changes in the way they are calculated on here.
But I tell everyone I know, to get a good HRM like Polar.
Now - I am super suspicious of just about a lot of fitness information. I don't even trust the MFP thing that says "I will lose X pounds" if I ate 1360 calories every day. I pretty much just use this site to count calories and to log exercise. I look forward to what happens in the next month with the calorie counting and relying on my HRM. I done eating 2100 cals a day lol. 0 -
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Precor ellipticals are known to overestimate calories, but not that much. I believe your HRM setup is also a little off, most likely it is underestimating your fitness level. Can't remember how or if that can be changed in the F4, but I would look at your setup and it they ask you questions about activity level, make that a little higher.
I have the FT4 model. The only questions I recall during setting were: (1) height (2) current weight (3) type of metric system I wanted my information displayed (4) age and (5) sex.
It is a pretty basic model and I don't recall activity level questions.0 -
I would trust the HRM. Keep using the HRM and see if the calories increase over time. Also, the machines are horrible. They aren't reading your heart rate the whole time. And the LesMills opinoin on calories all depends how hard that person puts into it. Someone told me that you can burn 400-500 calories in bodypump and my HRM reads about 250(MAX). But if I use heavier weights, very heavy weights, then the calorie burn tends to increase. It's what you put into the class.
Also, I don't eat my exercise calories back, because it's not 100% accurate on what you are burning.0 -
Precor ellipticals are known to overestimate calories, but not that much. I believe your HRM setup is also a little off, most likely it is underestimating your fitness level. Can't remember how or if that can be changed in the F4, but I would look at your setup and it they ask you questions about activity level, make that a little higher.
I have the FT4 model. The only questions I recall during setting were: (1) height (2) current weight (3) type of metric system I wanted my information displayed (4) age and (5) sex.
It is a pretty basic model and I don't recall activity level questions.
Yeah, I downloaded the user manual and double checked and I couldn't find anything either. That's why you'll note that I deleted the comment.0 -
Same here HRM... My elliptical says I burn about 750 calories when my HRM says I only burned 300..0
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I just got the polar ht7 and found the same thing. I am going by the numbers on my HRM, which I trust way more!!!!0
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Remember that the machines are made by people who want to sell more machines. If their monitors tell you that you burn a lot of calories on their machine, maybe you'll buy another machine. Trust your HRM.0
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Not sure where you read on a Les Mills site that CX Worx would burn 500 cals in 30 mins, here it says a much more believable figure: http://www.lesmills.com/cx30/about-cxworx.aspx
Also find it hard to believe that any decent instructor would claim 500 cals for a class which, although very hard (and I'll have the pain tomorrow to testify) only consists of hovers, planks, the occasional lunge and squat. And those tubes, ouch! You can get your heart rate up but this isn't cardio that is going to give you that kind of calorie burn in half an hour. I wish! The most I've burned in CX Worx is 320, and that was because I had done a lot of other classes on a special charity day before doing it. Ordinarily I would probably get a figure closer to yours. All the calorie burns listed on LMI site are averages, and as other posters have said, the variables will greatly depend on exertion level and which mix the instructor uses.0 -
What I'm getting from this thread is that the Polars are good. I was thinking about getting one for the reason your questioning (not trusting the machines). Now that I'm hearing this big of a difference in numbers I think I'm going to take the plunge and get one.0
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Well I am the complete opposite. It seems that my Polar FT7 is really high. I would love to trust it but it is so much higher than the machines. I understand the machine doesn't use the same algorithm but still concerned. This is what I get:
Stationary bike-18miles, 60 mins, 813 calories (average HR=150)
Treadmill 5 miles 60 mins, 1015 calories (average HR=168)
Treadmill 10k 78 mins, 1336 calories
Now I weigh 184lbs and I have actually set my FT7 to 170lbs to help decrease the calories in order to be more accurate. However, it is still hard to believe that I burn that much. Anyone else think my numbers are high? Or having problems as well?0 -
It also depends on how old you are, but when I do my 3 miles in 45min on the treadmill I was at around 800 calories, I'm 24 and 2230
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I bought a Polar FT4 HRM. It is very basic and just gives me my HR and total calories burned. I entered all my settings (age 42, 4'11 and 161 lbs yikes!). I bought it because I was not losing weight. I was relying on the calories displayed on MFP and the Precor. Then, I was probably overeating my calories based upon those calorie counts.
I am amazed and actually pretty shocked at the reading from the HRM on the total calories that I burned today:
CXWorks - HRM said 110 calories (Les Mills Site and Instructors previously claimed that class burned up to 500 calories).
PreCor Elliptical 60 Minutes - HRM said 375 calories. Machine said 650 calories burned (note that the machine does read my HRM strap so the HRM on the machine and on my watch did match).
I felt the same amount of exertion and effort that I did prior to wearing the HRM. I am just so shocked at how low the HRM calories compared to readings on the machine and claims on the Les Mills site.
I am unsure which numbers to trust.
I have a polar hrm too. the chest strap is there for a reason, plus we enter our age weight height etc. So you go girl!0 -
I have a Polar ft4...it is pretty accurate. I knock off about 15% to account for BMR calories per session...when I do that and compare it to a VO2 calorie calculator, it's almost dead on. When it comes to calorie burn, there are just too many variable to simply take a number off a database. Numbers in a database were someone else's burn...they may or may not have been more fit..may be taller or shorter...heavier or lighter, etc. Too many variables. Trust your HRM.
So I'm not understanding. In the 15% taken off, what does that do? I know to account for BMR, I'm just not understanding what that means.0 -
Trust your Polar. Since I have one my life has changed. Now I exercise anywhere easier knowing how much I am burning.
Now I know how many cals from exercise I can really eat and have lost a lot of weight. Highly recommend.0 -
Well I am the complete opposite. It seems that my Polar FT7 is really high. I would love to trust it but it is so much higher than the machines. I understand the machine doesn't use the same algorithm but still concerned. This is what I get:
Stationary bike-18miles, 60 mins, 813 calories (average HR=150)
Treadmill 5 miles 60 mins, 1015 calories (average HR=168)
Treadmill 10k 78 mins, 1336 calories
Now I weigh 184lbs and I have actually set my FT7 to 170lbs to help decrease the calories in order to be more accurate. However, it is still hard to believe that I burn that much. Anyone else think my numbers are high? Or having problems as well?
My HR averages about 130. I usually select "fat burn" or "weight loss" option when on the Precor Elliptical. I suppose if I picked 5k, Hill Climb, or another high cardio setting my HR would be 150. Right now - my goal is to lose 40 lbs and get back in shape. I am not in shape enough at this time to do things that would make my HR 150-160. Sometimes, I get winded going up stairs.0
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