Have you noticed this? Or is it just me?
ninerbuff
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So today I saw the mother of my daughter's classmates with all of her daughters. One of the daughters went to my daughters school last year and this year she went on to middle school. When I saw her, I could tell she put on a little weight. I know from conversations with her mother, that she has always been a pretty active kid up to middle school, so I asked about what she's doing for PE now in middle school. She said they still run and play basketball and softball, but she's not into it as much anymore like she was in grade school.
And it made me think: I've noticed that working with girls who are non athletes, don't seem to have the same desire to play physically like boys of the same age (11-16 years old). This also seems to be the time that girls start to worry more about their appearance, yet take an approach of not eating, instead of staying physical active, IMO.
Personally, I'd like to research this more on my own to see if this is a trend that I'm just now noticing.
Or is it just me?
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And it made me think: I've noticed that working with girls who are non athletes, don't seem to have the same desire to play physically like boys of the same age (11-16 years old). This also seems to be the time that girls start to worry more about their appearance, yet take an approach of not eating, instead of staying physical active, IMO.
Personally, I'd like to research this more on my own to see if this is a trend that I'm just now noticing.
Or is it just me?
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There have always been kids, boys and girls alike, that are nonathletic and do not enjoy physical activity. When girls hit puberty they gain weight and begin getting curves. Sometimes it is difficult for young girls to gain this weight and some of them resort to dieting. I don't think there is anything new about any of it.0
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I think you also have to consider the social influence here. When pre-teen girls take PE, they're also changing in a locker room for the first time, being aware of their bodies (both the undeveloped and developed) and then interacting with the opposite sex when they're just starting be aware of that attraction. Part of me wonders whether there'd be a change between a co-ed school and an all girls school. Interesting to think about.0
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We live in Tennessee and at least in Middle School our students only have PE 2 quarters out of the school year. I find this to be somewhat frustrating especially in the cooler/wetter months. It is hard enough to get our tween girls active, much less during these months. At least in the summer I can get her in the pool, and in the spring, summer and fall she will go out and ride her bike. We have tried doing family activities with her, but she will claim boredom or some other excuse and stop playing with us. Our daughter is more interested in music than sports. Any suggestions on other options to keep them active.0
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ninerbuff you bring up an interesting quandary. Do you think because of changes in hip width and other body proportion changes, girls may feel awkward and have a sense of lose of control because their center of gravity is changing, causing them to adjust their stride, etc.0
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When I was a kid, I was active. I played sports, I was outside all the time. I rode my bike all over my town. When I got into middle school, that all changed. It wasn't cool to be flushed and sweaty from physical exertion. You didn't ride your bike anymore - you sat around and watched tv, talked on the phone, listened to music. The only exercise I got was walking through the mall. And if you tried too hard in PE class, everyone would make fun of you. The only girls who were allowed to be physical were the "sporty" girls. And although they were near the top of the social food chain, they weren't at the top, so it wasn't something you aspired to.
Unfortunately, my mom's generation didn't think physical exercise was important (especially for girls). Couple that with the fact that my parents worked manual labor factory jobs which kept them in good shape and my lifestyle was a recipe for physical disaster. I deeply regret not taking physical activity and exercise seriously and part of my drive to be fit now is to show my daughter how important it is! I want her to be a beast - the girl that can run fast, take a hard hit, dive for the ball without thinking twice. I want her to be confident in her body and her strength.
I think it's sad when parents accept that their kids are overweight and/or don't think they can do anything about it. Of course it starts young, but even when they are teenagers, there are ways to make sure they take care of themselves.0 -
Yes, I think there are many factors at play with middle school aged girls. With puberty comes hormones, and with hormones comes more fat and changes in body proportions. I didn't really realize it at the time, but looking back at pictures of myself, I really got chunky around age 11-13! I don't remember changing my activity level that drastically, and as I got into high school I leaned out a bit again naturally.
But yes, as others have pointed out I do think there are many social and psychological factors at play in that age group. I remember at some point in PE around that age, it became "un-cool" to really try in class at whatever activity we were doing. Even the athletes didn't want to actually try during PE. Definitely a bad combination!0 -
My personal experience growing up was that the boys (even the chubby ones) all participated in PE in middle school. We even had swimming classes (had to be bused to the local pool). Since we weren't co ed, I really never got to see what the middle school girls did for PE, but the PE teachers for the girls were very fit.
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My personal experience growing up was that the boys (even the chubby ones) all participated in PE in middle school. We even had swimming classes (had to be bused to the local pool). Since we weren't co ed, I really never got to see what the middle school girls did for PE, but the PE teachers for the girls were very fit.
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My middle school PE teachers weren't too bad. We played a lot of sports and games - volleyball, tennis, basketball, badmitton, etc. She really tried to get us active, but the social stigma was too overwhelming. That coupled with a fear of body odor. We were all afraid of smelling bad, so no one wanted to get sweaty. There was no time to shower, do our hair and makeup before the next class. So, the goal was to come out of class looking exactly like you did when you went in. Therefore - don't sweat.
I can tell you that for 9th grade PE, we did a lot of "Sweating to the Oldies" while our (very overweight) PE teacher sat in a chair. It was awful. I'm from Indiana and I didn't have to take PE past my freshman year. There was a class called "Advanced Physical Conditioning" at my high school, which the jocks took. They did it to stay in shape during their off-seasons.0 -
I might get flamed for this but I think there is so much more pressure on girls to fit a certain body profile than boys. I was a super sporty teenager and I had a great body (I only realise this now). However I was never tiny or skinny. So despite the fact that I competed at a state level in swimming and water polo and did other rep level sport like basketball, netball, softball - I was still called fat, constantly... It just got to a point where I gave it all up, where sport and weight and body became so inextricably linked that I wanted nothing to do with any of it...
I think we have a huge problem with setting realistic and healthy body image goals for teenage girls. While I grant that there is an issue with obesity, the answer is not to tell 99% of girls that they're 'wrong' and the only way to be ok is to be incredibly skinny.0 -
I have a middle schooler.
Active in PE is different than active in organized sports, which is different than active outside.
There is peer pressure not to be overly involved in PE. The mile "run" is a casual stroll.
For my daughter, outside activities have (ie going outside and being active) have all but vanished from her days.
She does play volleyball, but she would not get friends together and play outside of her team.0 -
Couple thoughts
1) newly growing breasts can sometimes hurt! More so if you've never needed a bra before and now you need a serious sports bra and you don't have one. And the boys in your class notice the breasts. And how they move when you move. And ay things. And worse, sometimes grown men notice, and say things, and get creepy about it. And young teens don't have the skills to figure out how to deal with pervy adults who are staring at their brand new breasts as they run, and its can be really creepy and uncomfortable.
2). I've asked this of other women. In exercise videos and movies and TV, women exercising get dewy and glowy. No one goes red in the face and pours sweat from their hairline. Yet in real life, lots of people turn bright red and sweat like horses. And doing it gets you mocked by the golden dewy glowing girls.
3) the absolutely normal change in body fat percentage at puberty can be disconcerting and upsetting. Parts get softer an jiggly. It's a huge change, even if you're at a healthy body weight and have good muscle development.0 -
Lots of research done in it already. In the Uk, post olympics, there has been famous female athletes trying to promote exercise for girls, showing its still feminine to be fit and sweaty.0
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When I was in middle school I was very active in PE and sports. Then when I had to change to a high school, I just stopped all my extra curriculars. I was still active outside of school, was always outside, roller skating, walking, playing basketball with my younger brother etc. Not sure why I chose to not play in high school. There was no reason, as I wasn't the typical talk on the phone all night teenager. I would take my radio outside and dance for hours and stayed in shape til I had my first baby when I was 20. I just didn't have the interest in sports anymore. In my middle school, it was just the thing to do. I did it cuz everyone else did, I enjoyed it but it wasn't just for me I guess.0
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My daughter is 14, she is large (sturdy, stong and definitely not fat!) for a 14yo girl, she wants to get a job in sports, so she's taking extra PE lessons. The only sport she tries to avoid is swimming, and I finally found the reason why a couple of weeks ago. Apparently she is the only girl in her group studying PE who has legs that are "not as thin as a stick" and she feels very self conscious about it.. but I dont know whether she has been made to feel uncomfortable about it by this group of girls, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it... but the girls in her group are very cliquey. Its such a shame she suddenly feels self-conscious as she is a good strong swimmer. I think there is a lot of body awareness going on at that stage in life, and I think that can easily put them off sports unless they have a sports interest outside of school with people sharing the same interests as them helps them keep their interest in their chosen sport...0
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Teenage girls are evil to other teenage girls.
I remember my days in the school gym with horror. Getting changed in an atmosphere where a mark on your neck from a heavy bag would result in screams of OH MY GOD YOU'RE NOT A VIRGIN LOOK LOOK LOOK. Wearing a bra with a bit of lace on meant you were easy. Wearing a bra with a bit of colour on it meant you were easy. Wearing a black bra or even being rumoured to have ever worn a black bra meant you were a prostitute. Body hair was terrible, but many parents refused to allow shaving or waxing. Sports bras just weren't normal, they meant you were trying to be some sort of athlete. Contacts were being flashy. Teams were picked on the grounds of who they liked, not who could play. Boys trying to look through the keyhole. Cramps, accidents with sanitary towels, everybody knowing if you had your period and telling the boys about it. And embellishing the story. Scared to look across the room lest somebody said 'what are you looking at b*****, are you some sort of lesbian?', accusations of being a lesbian if you did something the teacher said. Not having any core strength or muscular development but being expected to do circuits at 100% intensity. Teachers telling you to do fast neck rolls when you knew they would screw up your cervical vertebrae. Lectures from staff telling everybody to use tampons. Foot inspections to see if everybody was clean.
And my particular favourites: you're not allowed to wear glasses as it would be dangerous (when throwing the javelin). Like chucking a big pointy stick around isn't when you can't even see where you're going. And 'only old people have arthritis because they're fat and old. There's no such thing in kids'.
Basically, sports teachers were Jillian Michaels but without the tact, diplomacy or technical knowledge.
Oh, and those Olympic athletes? Most females knew that they fitted in the category of having been the girls who did the majority of the bullying when they were girls. Because the girls that were meanest were the ones good at sport. So the ads are basically 'look how fantastic your school bully is going to look. That's why they pick on you and call you fat and ugly'.0 -
JR high is when girls start mensus usually and those hormonal changes make girls gain weight and change shape, they also drain energy from many girls. Also, girls are so freaking evil in middle school that aat my middle school at least, everyone fear showering like it was the plague so no one got sweaty so they wouldnt have to shower. I know guys dont like to shower in school usually either but they don't have as much pressure to stay pretty and clean all day either so they can just go back to class sweaty. Girls getting sweaty involves a revamp of make up and hair and wardrobe (change of sports bra to normal one) which means lugging blowdryers and make up kits to school every day. If I were still in school I would avoid PE as much as possible and work out after school. PE is compeltely discirminitory against women anyway. Not enough time to change, not the right facilities, bad timing. I can see why that would happend to a middle schooler espeically.0
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Active in PE is different than active in organized sports, which is different than active outside.
There is peer pressure not to be overly involved in PE. The mile "run" is a casual stroll.
I agree with this 100%. Back in middle school and high school I had no interested in PE at school. My friends and I saw it as a time to goof off and not be in the classroom. However, outside of school (5 nights a week) I was a very active soccer player and cheerleader.0 -
I teach and coach 10-15 year old girls. Periods hurt. Boobs hurt. Getting body odour from sweat and being teased about it hurts. So they withdraw, and then learn from friends/magazines/the internet how to achieve slimness through diet, and think they are healthy. They're children. They're guessing at best.
My focus with my netball teams is to teach them to enjoy sport and build stronger bodies for life. This year I embody that again
ETA that boys on the other hand largely don't give a crap. If they jiggle when they move, theyll still go out and jiggle. If they sweat, they use shower-in-a-can. I see boys unhealthy from food and girls unhealthy from lack of movement a LOT0 -
I'm the mother of a tween. I try to encourage her to exercise and set a good example by being active myself. She's not particularly interested in sports and is more of a bookworm so we concentrate on things that she finds fun and try to incorporate incidental exercise where possible.0
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