nutritionist says not to count veggies & gfruit???
linalovekitty
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Has anyone heard this?
I go to a wellness spa where they have a vegan bar that has a nutritionist on hand who creates different smoothies. An example of a smoothie there is organic fresh Kale, Spinach, Parsley, celery, grapefruit, chia seeds in 16oz cups.
The nutritionist says I can drink as many of these as I want and its impossible to gain weight from those calories...basically for weight loss she says the calories dont count in these- and if anything are negative calories. I talked to another nuttritionist and she said the same.
I go to a wellness spa where they have a vegan bar that has a nutritionist on hand who creates different smoothies. An example of a smoothie there is organic fresh Kale, Spinach, Parsley, celery, grapefruit, chia seeds in 16oz cups.
The nutritionist says I can drink as many of these as I want and its impossible to gain weight from those calories...basically for weight loss she says the calories dont count in these- and if anything are negative calories. I talked to another nuttritionist and she said the same.
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Has anyone heard this?
I go to a wellness spa where they have a vegan bar that has a nutritionist on hand who creates different smoothies. An example of a smoothie there is organic fresh Kale, Spinach, Parsley, celery, grapefruit, chia seeds in 16oz cups.
The nutritionist says I can drink as many of these as I want and its impossible to gain weight from those calories...basically for weight loss she says the calories dont count in these- and if anything are negative calories. I talked to another nuttritionist and she said the same.
I've heard that about green veggies. It's because they're so high in water and fiber and low in calories that you'll break even. It also encourages people to eat way more greens!0 -
Depends on ingredients. My 16oz morning smoothies range from 150 to over 300 calories per serving, so I would bet if I drank enough of them *something* would happen. If I could ever get off the toilet.0
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It's simlar to the Weight Watchers philosophy where most fruits and vegetables are free. I tried that for a while and I did lose a good amount of weight pretty fast, but with WW, there was no way (or incentive) to track macros so I switched to MFP.
I certainly don't think fresh spinach, kale, etc. is what we need to be worried about, but I track that stuff anyway just for accountability and to see nutrient/macros...0 -
Has anyone heard this?
I go to a wellness spa where they have a vegan bar that has a nutritionist on hand who creates different smoothies. An example of a smoothie there is organic fresh Kale, Spinach, Parsley, celery, grapefruit, chia seeds in 16oz cups.
The nutritionist says I can drink as many of these as I want and its impossible to gain weight from those calories...basically for weight loss she says the calories dont count in these- and if anything are negative calories. I talked to another nuttritionist and she said the same.
yeah ... no. just, no. calories count, whether they come from carrots or chocolate.
also, there is no such thing as a negative calorie.0 -
I believe this. I use to never count fruits and veggies. They were freebies. I had no problem losing weight. I am counting them now though. It's easier now that I don't write it all on paper. lol0
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Free veggies include:
Asparagus
Okra
Brussel Sprouts
Onion
Cabbage
Peppers
Cauliflower
Radish
Cucumber
Snow Peas
Eggplant
Spinach
Lettuce
Tomato
Mushroom
Zucchin0 -
Yes, when I didn't count them, I was doing WW. It worked very well for me!It's simlar to the Weight Watchers philosophy where most fruits and vegetables are free. I tried that for a while and I did lose a good amount of weight pretty fast, but with WW, there was no way (or incentive) to track macros so I switched to MFP.
I certainly don't think fresh spinach, kale, etc. is what we need to be worried about, but I track that stuff anyway just for accountability and to see nutrient/macros...0 -
I know weightwatchers and slimming world follow similar things, that have "free" foods that you can have as much of as you like, however after starting the keto diet i know know a single small pear has 14 carbs, and i think with high carb fruit eating loads must make you gain weight? Im not 100% sure though..0
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I dunno. I believe calories are calories. I mean, I'd still feel less guilty eating a ton of veggies and fruits over other foods, but I still count them.0
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yeah ... no. just, no. calories count, whether they come from carrots or chocolate.
also, there is no such thing as a negative calorie.
Actually i believe celery is a negative as it burns more calories chewing it than it contains...0 -
It depends on what weight loss plan you are following. Here we count everything. Weight Watchers doesn't count fruits or vegetables (except for certain starchy exceptions) up to the recommended 5 servings per day. After that, they should be counted .0
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A calorie is the energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 °C. The source of the calorie is irrelevant!0
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I agree that many vegetables are "negative calories", but I wouldn't lump any fruits into the "free" category. The ONLY thing that fruits do for you is raise your insulin levels. It's straight sugar in the form of fructose. You need to count sugar calories because the more foods you eat that your body recognizes as sugar the more your insulin levels are gonna go crazy. Veggies, yes, fruits, probably not.0
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Has anyone heard this?
I go to a wellness spa where they have a vegan bar that has a nutritionist on hand who creates different smoothies. An example of a smoothie there is organic fresh Kale, Spinach, Parsley, celery, grapefruit, chia seeds in 16oz cups.
The nutritionist says I can drink as many of these as I want and its impossible to gain weight from those calories...basically for weight loss she says the calories dont count in these- and if anything are negative calories. I talked to another nuttritionist and she said the same.
I've heard that about green veggies. It's because they're so high in water and fiber and low in calories that you'll break even. It also encourages people to eat way more greens!
Exactly what you've said here sounds perfectly logical and I could see it being right however there is a big difference between a smoothy based largely on Kale and celery and all fruit and veggies not counting towards your total intake. Fibre contains calories but it's really hard for your body to get to and there has long been a discussion about how many calories your body burns in order to get calories from raw celery. Equally someone is trying to sell you something by claiming that there are no calories in it so I'd tend to be cynical about the claim.
My advice would be try it and see if it affects your weight loss. From the sound of these even if they aren't calorie free they could be very low calorie and therefore may well just get lost in the noise in the same way that I don't count walking to the garage to get my bike out as calories burned due to exercise.0 -
The nutritionist in my doctor's office told me not to count most veggies, either, but this was in connection with counting carbs for my diabetes. Guess she didn't want me to feel deprived of fruits and a little starch if I used all my carbs on veg.0
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Please get her credentials. NO.0
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Are they getting their Nutrition degrees from cereal boxes?0
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Smoothie can be a code word for fruity milk shake. If someone hears "smoothie" they automatically think healthy. Be wary when someone says "it's impossible to gain weight on________"0
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Has anyone heard this?
I go to a wellness spa where they have a vegan bar that has a nutritionist on hand who creates different smoothies. An example of a smoothie there is organic fresh Kale, Spinach, Parsley, celery, grapefruit, chia seeds in 16oz cups.
The nutritionist says I can drink as many of these as I want and its impossible to gain weight from those calories...basically for weight loss she says the calories dont count in these- and if anything are negative calories. I talked to another nuttritionist and she said the same.
I had 15gms of chia seeds in my breakfast this morning and the calorie count on them is about 70cals.
They count. You can still overeat on 'healthy' foods.
However, when I log my foods I'm less concerned about being accurate about logging my spinach (very low calories by volume) vs say cheese (which has high calories, by volume).0 -
In her topic heading she said veggies & gfruit... so she's not asking about all fruits, just grapefruit, right???0
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yeah ... no. just, no. calories count, whether they come from carrots or chocolate.
also, there is no such thing as a negative calorie.
Actually i believe celery is a negative as it burns more calories chewing it than it contains...
sorry, but no one is going to starve themselves by eating strictly celery. this just isn't correct.0 -
all dietitians are nutritionists, but not all nutritionists are dietitians0
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things that I eyeball or allow to be a gram or two over or under
spinach
broccoli
baby carrots
cauliflower
kale(but I don't eat that often)
mushrooms
if it's less than eh 50 calories for a whole cup I'll estimate it or use an actual measuring cup if I'm in a hurry(as opposed to my scale) without really worrying about it.
Fruit I would DEFINITELY not count as free between my banana and my orange today it was about 230 calories, not a huge deal, but it might matter more the smaller your deficient is.
(also sweet peas and starchy veggies like sweet/reg potatoes, corn I measure more closely)
I'd want to see the proportions of the smoothie, if it's mostly the greens with just a sprinkle of chia seeds n a splash of grapefruit and it's only one or less a day I'd probably be good with not tracking it, but if it tastes strongly of grapefruit or has a lot of chia seed then I'd probably throw a quick add calorie guesstimate(if unable to get the true count) Just my opinion.0 -
First off there is no such thing as negative calories.
So there are two answers to this question.
One: being a vegan bar (assuming you are also vegan) 16oz of those ingredients wouldn't make you gain weight. This isn't because it doesn't have calories but because you would have to eat 3500 over your calories to gain anything and I think you would actually die if you tried to get that many calories in your body in liquid green smoothie form. Also because vegans who rely on their fruits and veggies as their calorie source do have to eat WAY more food to get to their healthy calorie number in a day so it would make it more difficult to gain weight from that alone.
Two: as good as that smoothie may be for you don't want to fill up on a bunch of them because you also need other nutrients and if your stomach is filled with smoothie how are you going to eat the good stuff you need. You need balance and variety to be healthy.
As for the comparison to weight watchers, yes that is a program that works very well if you follow it properly BUT fruits and veggies DO in fact count very much in the grand scheme of things. There are many high calorie fruits and veggies and even though they are good for you a calorie is still a calorie and if you eat 500 calories in fruit you are still eating 500 calories. Also vegans need a very different balance then is outlined in WW so it's not a good comparison.0 -
Did you have to pay for these smoothies? Negative calorie foods are a myth. Google it but stick to articles that come from a legit source.0
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Everything counts. EVERYTHING. That celery stick? That kale? all of it. WW doesn't count it to encourage eating them, but if you eat a lot, they add up. I tend to eat at least a couple hundred calories worth a day.0
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Obviously not as you need to eat a minimum of 1200 cals a day, but you can eat celery to fill you up without adding to the cals to much.
yeah ... no. just, no. calories count, whether they come from carrots or chocolate.
also, there is no such thing as a negative calorie.
Actually i believe celery is a negative as it burns more calories chewing it than it contains...
sorry, but no one is going to starve themselves by eating strictly celery. this just isn't correct.0 -
In her topic heading she said veggies & gfruit... so she's not asking about all fruits, just grapefruit, right???
right. She did not claim all fruits, just grapefruit and all green veggies0 -
Wouldnt it be great if there were a food that tasted good, filled you up, was nutritious and zero calories so you would lose weight eating it?
These shakes are great, it's a known fact that vegetables today contain less micro nutrients than 60 years ago thanks to farming methods. To get all your nutritional needs with a calorie deficit is difficult cos you need to eat a shed loads of vegetables. Juicing eliminates part of that problem and any well being coach/nutritionist will promote juicing.
However, not all smoothies are created equal. Some are loaded with hidden fructose and those should be limited. The bottom line is that if you are following a calorie controlled diet, then you have to log everything that goes in your mouth. There is no such thing as a negative calorie, otherwise there wouldn't be an obesity epidemic.0 -
Hold on, going to go lose weight on 5000 calories of vegetables.
See how silly that sounds? All calories count.0
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