Stretch reflex on overhead press, yes or no?

LiftAllThePizzas
LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
edited January 17 in Fitness and Exercise
For those who do or know OHP, do you use/recommend stretch reflex or not. What reason(s) do you have for your choice?

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  • CoachDreesTraining
    CoachDreesTraining Posts: 223 Member
    What is your definition of stretch reflex?
  • Cognito1025
    Cognito1025 Posts: 323 Member
    I do my OP in the "military press" style. I perform each rep from a dead stop, resting on my breastbone and extending my arms quickly and nearly locking out the elbows before slowly bringing it back to my chest. Inhale & repeat.

    I was taught that it should be a brute force exercise and not one that uses momentum, you should "muscle it up".
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    I do, the only compound movement I purposefully pause is my bench, and that's for competition prep. I believe coming to a dead stop on OHP deactivates the musculature you're trying to hit for that short period.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Really depends on your goals. I only pause on exercises where I set the weights on the floor.
  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    I do my OP in the "military press" style. I perform each rep from a dead stop, resting on my breastbone and extending my arms quickly and nearly locking out the elbows before slowly bringing it back to my chest. Inhale & repeat.

    I was taught that it should be a brute force exercise and not one that uses momentum, you should "muscle it up".

    This, I do em this way as well.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    I've tried both ways. I can get a few more pounds up with the reflex, but ultimately my goal is hypertrophy, so I think the real goal is to get 'microdamage' to the muscles in order to get them to grow.

    (I'm in week 12 of StrongLifts and I will be likely switching to a homegrown 3X8 type thingy, still researching/designing. I'll experiment with that and see where it takes me.)
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    I've tried both ways. I can get a few more pounds up with the reflex, but ultimately my goal is hypertrophy, so I think the real goal is to get 'microdamage' to the muscles in order to get them to grow.

    (I'm in week 12 of StrongLifts and I will be likely switching to a homegrown 3X8 type thingy, still researching/designing. I'll experiment with that and see where it takes me.)

    If your goal is hypertrophy, you should be doing more than stronglifts (StrongLifts will of course cause some, but other programs are better for that). I'll also throw a hat in for doing more than 3x8. If your goal is to increase hypertrophy gains, going from 25 total reps to 24 total reps isn't really in the positive direction. As for the time under tension, bringing the bar to a full stop releases the tension, which is why I think using the stretch reflex is better.
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    I don't, I pause on each rep to steady my stance. I have really poor balance though so it's probably a necessity to me.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    I've tried both ways. I can get a few more pounds up with the reflex, but ultimately my goal is hypertrophy, so I think the real goal is to get 'microdamage' to the muscles in order to get them to grow.

    (I'm in week 12 of StrongLifts and I will be likely switching to a homegrown 3X8 type thingy, still researching/designing. I'll experiment with that and see where it takes me.)

    If your goal is hypertrophy, you should be doing more than stronglifts (StrongLifts will of course cause some, but other programs are better for that). I'll also throw a hat in for doing more than 3x8. If your goal is to increase hypertrophy gains, going from 25 total reps to 24 total reps isn't really in the positive direction. As for the time under tension, bringing the bar to a full stop releases the tension, which is why I think using the stretch reflex is better.
    Ya I started with SL 3 months ago as a total beginner to see if I could gain some strength. (And it's worked of course.) I didn't expect to fall in love with moving heavy things along a vertical path. I figure if I'm going to lift for fun I might as well add some muscle mass while I'm at it.

    About the 3X8, my understanding is that the reps per set is what determines more whether the result will be strength vs hypertrophy. How many sets should I be doing if I'm doing 8 reps per set?
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    Ya I started with SL 3 months ago as a total beginner to see if I could gain some strength. (And it's worked of course.) I didn't expect to fall in love with moving heavy things along a vertical path. I figure if I'm going to lift for fun I might as well add some muscle mass while I'm at it.

    About the 3X8, my understanding is that the reps per set is what determines more whether the result will be strength vs hypertrophy. How many sets should I be doing if I'm doing 8 reps per set?

    I tend to think the folks that do the best with building muscle mass are the ones that lift for both strength and hypertrophy. Building strength increases the magnitude of the tension you place on your muscles, and building mass ups your potential strength ceiling. They really go hand in hand in my opinion.

    Anyhow, reps per set is part of the equation, but what really causes hypertrophy is recovering from those microtears you create when you lift weights. That's why adequate nutrition and sleep on such a program is so important. Anywho, you need to maximize time under tension on the body parts you're hitting (that's why you'll see bodybuilders do what seems to be half reps on bench and stuff, it's not laziness but rather because the top half of the bench is more triceps and takes tension off the chest. Part of that is keeping the muscles activated for longer (i.e. upping the reps per set and keeping the muscles activated throughout the set) but that doesn't mean you should reduce the total workload. Quite the opposite in fact, powerlifters can get away with far less total work than bodybuilders.

    If you like StrongLifts, I'd say stick with that rotation for your primary lifts, and work on increasing your strength ceiling with those. I'd still focus on time under tension, so touch and go for the lifts (NOT BOUNCE) rather than pausing your reps, but really focus on strength progression. Then when you're finished with your StrongLifts session, add in accessory work that really focuses on hypertrophy. A lot of the specifics of accessory work are dependent on what you want to do, but make sure you hit your whole body and include some prehab/rehab stuff as well.
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