If the Paleo diet is so good how come
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^^^^^^^ Is that why every culture that practices Paleo today, still live in in huts?? And every great civilization in history only thrived because of carbs etc.?
they also don't have the diseases we have...
was in bermuda last year and met a guy who asked me to guess his age. i guessed something in the 60s. he was 92, in great shape, tons of life/energy/etc
that doesn't happen by accident. cultures that don't live on fast food and processed foods simply don't get as sick as we do.
Actually, if you want the best diet in the world, that would be the Mediterranean diet. That's been the one proven to ensure the longest lives.0 -
^^^^^^^ Is that why every culture that practices Paleo today, still live in in huts?? And every great civilization in history only thrived because of carbs etc.?
they also don't have the diseases we have...
was in bermuda last year and met a guy who asked me to guess his age. i guessed something in the 60s. he was 92, in great shape, tons of life/energy/etc
that doesn't happen by accident. cultures that don't live on fast food and processed foods simply don't get as sick as we do.
Actually, if you want the best diet in the world, that would be the Mediterranean diet. That's been the one proven to ensure the longest lives.
point is, it isn't the "IIFYM" processed American diet.0 -
And a vegetarian would refute this. As would a raw foodie.There are numerous correlative studies between the advent of agriculture and the rise in health issues, specifically heart disease and diabetes. Many of today's health issues are a direct result of a wheat and grains based diet. We humans were not designed to eat wheat and/or grains, because we didn't have the digestive enzymes to do so back then. However, evolution gave us those abilities, whether it was right for us to do so or not. (We cannot digest wheat or many grains in their original, fresh from the earth forms, for example). The milling of wheat and the grains breaks down the outer rough covering and allows for digestibility.
HOWEVER, the grains we still eat puncture our intestinal tracts and lead to leaky gut syndrome. Look it up -- it's gross and avoidable. The gluten in wheat, rye and barley contains a protein that cannot be tolerated by celiac's, and scientists suspect about 80% of humans (I am one who cannot tolerate the consumption of gluten over long periods of time -- therefore I am gluten free) have some issue ranging from cannot tolerate at all to a sensitivity.
Paleo reflects the pre-agricultural era of eating. It's mainly just lean meats, fruits, nuts and veggies (probably ground based veggies like roots and tubers). It's a hard diet to follow and can be difficult to find "paleo appropriate" foods. Fortunately, "bugs" are not part of the diet anymore, as protein comes from a wide variety of sources. (Grubs are still a favorite among some indigenous people in the world).
I am not paleo, instead I choose to avoid wheat and grains because of the health problems they have caused me.
The body is a lot more amazing to adaptation then most think it to be.
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Lots of processed foods in Asia. Sodium and MSG are rampant.^^^^^^^ Is that why every culture that practices Paleo today, still live in in huts?? And every great civilization in history only thrived because of carbs etc.?
they also don't have the diseases we have...
was in bermuda last year and met a guy who asked me to guess his age. i guessed something in the 60s. he was 92, in great shape, tons of life/energy/etc
that doesn't happen by accident. cultures that don't live on fast food and processed foods simply don't get as sick as we do.
Not saying that whole foods aren't also consumed, but the average Asian consumes some sort of processed food on a daily basis there.
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Lots of processed foods in Asia. Sodium and MSG are rampant.^^^^^^^ Is that why every culture that practices Paleo today, still live in in huts?? And every great civilization in history only thrived because of carbs etc.?
they also don't have the diseases we have...
was in bermuda last year and met a guy who asked me to guess his age. i guessed something in the 60s. he was 92, in great shape, tons of life/energy/etc
that doesn't happen by accident. cultures that don't live on fast food and processed foods simply don't get as sick as we do.
Not saying that whole foods aren't also consumed, but the average Asian consumes some sort of processed food on a daily basis there.
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but far less than the average american.0 -
I wouldn't say far less. Sodium and MSG are probably much higher in dose in Asia than America, however TOTAL consumption of calories is by far owned by America over Asia.
Lots of processed foods in Asia. Sodium and MSG are rampant.^^^^^^^ Is that why every culture that practices Paleo today, still live in in huts?? And every great civilization in history only thrived because of carbs etc.?
they also don't have the diseases we have...
was in bermuda last year and met a guy who asked me to guess his age. i guessed something in the 60s. he was 92, in great shape, tons of life/energy/etc
that doesn't happen by accident. cultures that don't live on fast food and processed foods simply don't get as sick as we do.
Not saying that whole foods aren't also consumed, but the average Asian consumes some sort of processed food on a daily basis there.
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but far less than the average american.
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Give me a break. Dinosaurs were not on earth at the same time as humans. OMG!T Rex's could still eat cavemen?0 -
this is my new favorite study, just published a couple days ago: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
"One of the largest studies to address this question, published online March 7 in BMC Medicine, found a moderate positive association between processed meat consumption and mortality. This was particularly true for cardiovascular diseases (CVDs), but was also true for cancer."0 -
Modern medicine and living conditions such as the weather. This is all a joke right? I feel like I am in a first grade classroom.if paleo is so good, then why did cavemen only live to be like...15 years old?0 -
It works for some, it doesn't work for others. That is why there are so many eating plans out there with people who are FOR it and people who are AGAINST it. Since we are all different we will have success with some and not others.Well I can't speak for a T-Rex but being a Tricep_A_Tops :bigsmile: I can tell you that trying Paleo was the biggest mistake that I made during my weight loss. I should have never listened to the paleo nut jobs at the gym,0 -
They aren't against carbs. They are against grains and animals who consumed grains which in turn humans consume. Civilization didn't start getting fat and sick until the popularity of eating grains.
Thats part of it. Without carbs you would not have civilization. And without a diet high in carbs I wouldnt look the way that I currently do. Carbs are not the evil food source that paleo wacko's claim them to be.^^^^^^^ Is that why every culture that practices Paleo today, still live in in huts?? And every great civilization in history only thrived because of carbs etc.?
Civilizations thrived on carbs because it allowed for increased food production which then allowed for specialization.0 -
In response to the Asian cultures, my friend is from China but lives in America now. He said the people in China eat a lot of rice in place of what Americans use chips and crackers for. He also said they eat tons of veggies.
And my personal take on it, which I want to mention to him and he may laugh at me, but if I had to eat with chopsticks I couldn't get very much food on them vs how much I get on my fork or spoon. I'd eat less, because it would take me longer to eat it and it takes 20 minutes for our stomachs to tell our brains we are full. You always hear, "eat slow". I shovel food in with American eating utensils.0 -
There's plenty of carbs in a Paleo diet, just in the forms of fruits and vegetables. I'd think it's more of a diet for overweight people and diabetics, rather than the healthy gymrat. It has to do with regulating insulin levels and combating insulin resistance, which is a big issue with overweight people (based on what I've seen in life). I lost 15 pounds my first month of Paleo, but then it tapered off to almost nothing.
Haha, tell that to some hardcore CrossFitters0 -
This diet over that diet over the other diet. I try to eat as balanced as I can and exercise. I do try to make sure I have a solid protein base and usually cheat the carbs to make that happen... Seems to have worked for me so far and is far less expensive than many of these diets that omit food groups.0
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And a vegetarian would refute this. As would a raw foodie.There are numerous correlative studies between the advent of agriculture and the rise in health issues, specifically heart disease and diabetes. Many of today's health issues are a direct result of a wheat and grains based diet. We humans were not designed to eat wheat and/or grains, because we didn't have the digestive enzymes to do so back then. However, evolution gave us those abilities, whether it was right for us to do so or not. (We cannot digest wheat or many grains in their original, fresh from the earth forms, for example). The milling of wheat and the grains breaks down the outer rough covering and allows for digestibility.
HOWEVER, the grains we still eat puncture our intestinal tracts and lead to leaky gut syndrome. Look it up -- it's gross and avoidable. The gluten in wheat, rye and barley contains a protein that cannot be tolerated by celiac's, and scientists suspect about 80% of humans (I am one who cannot tolerate the consumption of gluten over long periods of time -- therefore I am gluten free) have some issue ranging from cannot tolerate at all to a sensitivity.
Paleo reflects the pre-agricultural era of eating. It's mainly just lean meats, fruits, nuts and veggies (probably ground based veggies like roots and tubers). It's a hard diet to follow and can be difficult to find "paleo appropriate" foods. Fortunately, "bugs" are not part of the diet anymore, as protein comes from a wide variety of sources. (Grubs are still a favorite among some indigenous people in the world).
I am not paleo, instead I choose to avoid wheat and grains because of the health problems they have caused me.
The body is a lot more amazing to adaptation then most think it to be.
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Vegetarians and a raw foodies are two types of people who WOULD be eating the food the Paleo diet endorses: raw fruits, fresh veggies, nuts, seeds, etc. What the human body does not accept easily is the gluten protein and the husk/shells of grains in their raw forms. We can't eat wheat right out of the wheat field, we can't eat rice right out of the rice paddy, we can't eat corn right off the cob, etc. We can eat raw broccoli, cauliflower, tree fruits, ground tubers, nuts, etc. in their raw form because our bodies have the physiological capabilities of breaking down these foods into digestible parts.
The human body has been forced to adapt over the course of evolution, but we draw the line at eating fibrous plants and grasses, in RAW FORM, as they are not what our digestive tract is able to do. We do not have gullets, like chicken, that contain little stones in them to grind the grains for us. We do not chew grass, like cows, and then turn it into cud in our stomachs.
The only way we can eat certain foods is through processing them. That was the birth of agriculture, and why today we can eat bread, grains, etc. It is also the reason why our health has deteriorated -- because we are eating chemically altered, highly processed wheat products. The grains are just not good for our intestinal tracts. We push our food through, we do not grind it through.
Ever since I stopped eating grains, my digestive tract has been very, very regular. I don't need whole wheat, high fiber or grains to move my bowels. This is a fallacy people have been led to believe -- that we need whole wheat and grains in order to have healthy digestive tracts. Nope, not at all.0 -
Fortunately, "bugs" are not part of the diet anymore, as protein comes from a wide variety of sources. (Grubs are still a favorite among some indigenous people in the world).
Some would call this unfortunate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomophagy#Advantages
I really think it would be so very ethical for us to rely on bugs as a protein source. I also really think I couldn't do it...at all.
Just pretend they're nuts. *shrugs*0 -
Modern medicine and living conditions such as the weather. This is all a joke right? I feel like I am in a first grade classroom.if paleo is so good, then why did cavemen only live to be like...15 years old?
Yes, it's all a joke. Didn't you LOL when you saw the posts that you replied to? Welcome to the laugh party!0 -
I agree with you 100%. Certainly people are going to choose what works best for them, as they deem fit....However, I challenge everyone to get the testing results and see WHATS HAPPENING, inside their bodies. Traditional Western Physicians do not (nor have I EVER had one offer ) to do the testing that my Holistic D.O. did. I choose her because of recommendations of a physician that took an alternative and natural and healthy approach to health.
I did a LOT of testing and yes it can be pricey, but if you don't have the full picture how can you truly know whats going on. Traditional docs want to mask problems/symptoms with medications, instead of looking at the root cause. I went through a battery of blood tests, where my C-Reactive Proteins were tested (this shows internal inflammation and is HIGHLY related to issues concerning cardio diseases/heart attacks/strokes etc). In addition to my Candida numbers (over growth of yeast in the body caused often by over use of anti-biotics..and comes with a slue of its own problems).
Makes you wonder how, exceptionally healthy athletes can just drop dead during a marathon, perhaps their C-Reactive (CRP) Proteins where? Internal inflammation...etc...
Regardless, thereafter I also did a blood food allergy testing, and were surprised by the results. I have sensitivities to many foods, the biggest "Red" zone was Corn!! But with High Fructose corn syrup in EVERYTHING is this a surprise??
Again, it's about being educated, and understanding whats going on in the body....Our bodies were never this overwhelmed centuries before the rise of the industrial age/processed foods etc. Its now hit with tons of chemicals, processing, chemicals on our foods, not to mention the other exposures to everyday things like radiation (cell phones, microwaves, computers etc etc), the toxins in the air we breath and the foods we eat and the liquids we drink are overwhelming the human body. This isn't psuedo-science. The literature is there just start doing the research online. Our bodies have to cleanse this from our systems on a regular basis...its "WHAT" it does. Shouldn't this give question to why in the past 50+ years we have seen a huge increase with diseases as we've seen a huge increase with all these other things?
They don't have longitudinal studies yet, but they are coming, but many of the BIG companies don't want us to know the truths....BIG FOOD, BIG Gov't THEY are not in it to protect humans etc...they are in it simply for Profit.....if a study came out that Fruit Loops caused cancer YOU THINK every parent wouldn't stop feeding their kids FRUIT LOOPS!!! of course they would... NOW there are numerous chemicals that cause issues in kids, but the public isn't educated...or lets say...they are blind to it...why...its because these companies CARE SOOOOOO MUCH about us right that they would NEVER put something into foods that wasn't "healthy" or safe to eat.....RIGHT...it's not because these things make foods last longer, taste better etc...and generate more Profit....now..that could never be the case (I hope you sense the sarcasm here)...
Anyway...unless you are allergic...you know how many "warnings or side affects" I see in carrots NONE, Apples NONE, (hormone free) Meats...NONE
These are things people should really start thinking about. After I did all my testing and started changing my diet to more of a "natural/whole food" Paleo if we label it approach I saw significant changes in my health, blood work and overall well being!!! I still don't buy into the processed Paleo "foods" ...again..it's still processed and I attempt to eat only whole foods, lean grass fed proteins, nuts etc...
A lot more work...yup... is it worth every penny and all the effort yes. I can't guarantee that by doing this I won't get "cancer" but I can take a proactive approach to understanding that injecting my body with tons of chemicals on a daily basis is overwhelming it...it's not working efficiently like it should....just like if you filled your gas tank with gas that had water blended in with it...it'll still run, but it's not going to run efficiently or effectively....now do that long term and what happens to the engines internal workings?
My hope is that by doing this, it allows my body to start healing itself, and that down the road should I have any diseases that arise...that my body will be able to put it's full attention on that invader...and not working on simply still trying to repair everything else.
And a vegetarian would refute this. As would a raw foodie.There are numerous correlative studies between the advent of agriculture and the rise in health issues, specifically heart disease and diabetes. Many of today's health issues are a direct result of a wheat and grains based diet. We humans were not designed to eat wheat and/or grains, because we didn't have the digestive enzymes to do so back then. However, evolution gave us those abilities, whether it was right for us to do so or not. (We cannot digest wheat or many grains in their original, fresh from the earth forms, for example). The milling of wheat and the grains breaks down the outer rough covering and allows for digestibility.
HOWEVER, the grains we still eat puncture our intestinal tracts and lead to leaky gut syndrome. Look it up -- it's gross and avoidable. The gluten in wheat, rye and barley contains a protein that cannot be tolerated by celiac's, and scientists suspect about 80% of humans (I am one who cannot tolerate the consumption of gluten over long periods of time -- therefore I am gluten free) have some issue ranging from cannot tolerate at all to a sensitivity.
Paleo reflects the pre-agricultural era of eating. It's mainly just lean meats, fruits, nuts and veggies (probably ground based veggies like roots and tubers). It's a hard diet to follow and can be difficult to find "paleo appropriate" foods. Fortunately, "bugs" are not part of the diet anymore, as protein comes from a wide variety of sources. (Grubs are still a favorite among some indigenous people in the world).
I am not paleo, instead I choose to avoid wheat and grains because of the health problems they have caused me.
The body is a lot more amazing to adaptation then most think it to be.
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Vegetarians and a raw foodies are two types of people who WOULD be eating the food the Paleo diet endorses: raw fruits, fresh veggies, nuts, seeds, etc. What the human body does not accept easily is the gluten protein and the husk/shells of grains in their raw forms. We can't eat wheat right out of the wheat field, we can't eat rice right out of the rice paddy, we can't eat corn right off the cob, etc. We can eat raw broccoli, cauliflower, tree fruits, ground tubers, nuts, etc. in their raw form because our bodies have the physiological capabilities of breaking down these foods into digestible parts.
The human body has been forced to adapt over the course of evolution, but we draw the line at eating fibrous plants and grasses, in RAW FORM, as they are not what our digestive tract is able to do. We do not have gullets, like chicken, that contain little stones in them to grind the grains for us. We do not chew grass, like cows, and then turn it into cud in our stomachs.
The only way we can eat certain foods is through processing them. That was the birth of agriculture, and why today we can eat bread, grains, etc. It is also the reason why our health has deteriorated -- because we are eating chemically altered, highly processed wheat products. The grains are just not good for our intestinal tracts. We push our food through, we do not grind it through.
Ever since I stopped eating grains, my digestive tract has been very, very regular. I don't need whole wheat, high fiber or grains to move my bowels. This is a fallacy people have been led to believe -- that we need whole wheat and grains in order to have healthy digestive tracts. Nope, not at all.0 -
if paleo is so good, then why did cavemen only live to be like...15 years old?
They didn't live to 'like' 15 years old. Like all our ancestors that lived before public health initiatives and the cures/vaccines for common diseases, they had high infant mortality and were subject to such things as dysentery, influenza, plague, smallpox, typhoid, measles etc etc as well as infection from common or garden injuries that they didn't have modern anti-biotics to deal with.0 -
Which would win in a fight - a T.Rex that only ate carbs, or a Caveman who'd had some raspberry ketones and green coffee bean extract?0
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Which would win in a fight - a T.Rex that only ate carbs, or a Caveman who'd had some raspberry ketones and green coffee bean extract?
The Caveman. The T-Rex would be a fossil.0
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