Bad Knees

Seems that my knees are getting worse every day. I've been doing the elliptical which is easy on my knees. I also have a BowFlex for arms, etc. What can I do for lower body that doesn't involve too much pressure on my knees. Squats HURT, leg lifts hurt, anything that really involves me bending my knee with any kind of weight really hurts. So do I forgo my leg routines and do all cardio? Also, if I keep toning my arms (pushups, lifting weights, etc) am I going to look out of proportion? Any help is appreciated!!

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  • redheadedgal
    redheadedgal Posts: 149 Member
    bump--I have the exact same problem.
  • fattyfoodie
    fattyfoodie Posts: 232 Member
    Are you a swimmer? When I was up over 300 swimming did wonders for me.

    I do Bikram yoga now and find I have much less joint pain overall.
  • Carrot1971
    Carrot1971 Posts: 272 Member
    I swim in the summer. No access to pool in cooler weather.
  • LiftHuff
    LiftHuff Posts: 131
    At what point do squats hurt your knees? If done properly, they are excellent rehab for knee issues, but flexibility issues might be holding you up.
  • Bailey532
    Bailey532 Posts: 65 Member
    Do youuse a knee brace? Maybe that would help? I have one knee that's slightly bad, but not horrible.
  • Carrot1971
    Carrot1971 Posts: 272 Member
    Squats hurt the whole time. My knees make a "grinding' noise that isn't good. I probably should go to the doctor but...I'm stubborn and they don't give me many problems any other times (besides walking up and down stairs). I don't have a knee brace. I'm only 41 but sometimes my knees make me feel like I'm 81.
  • joe7880
    joe7880 Posts: 92 Member
    I strongly suggest you go see an orthopedic doctor to determine what the best course of action is. Your issue will only get worse and ignoring it will not help (sounds like osteoarthritis). My wife had a similar issue and her orthopedic doctor gave her injections in her knees that helped lubricate the joints. After she lost weight, she no longer needed any further treatment and her knee pain was gone. Good luck!
  • I'm 66 and walking on an elliptical has helped me to do squats with body burn.
  • bryionak
    bryionak Posts: 110 Member
    I have used knee pain as an excuse for a while and am working through it. I am takin mega men joint, concentrating on core strengthening. Also check your shoes. I need a wide sole because of the way my feet turn in. The old shoes I was using was causing my weight to come over the side of the sole and putting extra strain on my knee.

    I hurt my medial collateral ligiment in my left knee about 20 years ago. I reinjured that knee about 16 months ago. I did PT and the idea was to strengten the muscles around the knee, calf, thight, core, etc.

    So far I am having more soreness in my left knee then other places but so far it is just soreness, not chronic pain. I don;t have anything in the way of advice other than my experience, but I would consider a visit to an orthopedist, maybe some PT to figure what is causing the problem and how you can work around or through it. If it is soreness work through it, if it is chronic pain that gets worse then self diagnosing could make it worse.

    Swimming seems like good advice.
  • Do Pilates also...helps with flexibility!
  • sixpackdream
    sixpackdream Posts: 55 Member
    Stretch your legs EVERY day. It has done a world of good for me. I am 224 lbs and 46 years old and play about two hours of high level tennis a day.

    I was scared when my knees became very sore for a period of time, one of them became swollen and I hobbled up and down stairs. Everyone said go get an operation. I spoke with a few physiotherapists to understand the structure of the knee and learned a lot. I came to understand that the muscles above the knee and below the knee were pulling together and the knee was feeling lots of pressure. If you have excess weight on, it puts even more pressure on it.

    I started stretching and am in the process of losing weight and my knee problems have all but disappeared. I was so pleased that I stopped stretching for a while and guess what, the pain came back! I am now stretching my legs for just 5 minutes every day, but it makes all the difference. Now if I can get down to 205...

    The stretches I do: 1) touch your toes (hamstring) 2) heel to butt (quads) 3) heel on floor, toes on wall, while facing the wall, lean leg forward (calf). Don't stretch to pain but you should feel it, you will see progress for how far you can stretch every month or two.
  • bryionak
    bryionak Posts: 110 Member
    knwling what little I know from my visits with an orthopedist you have some issue going on and it should be checked out. The elliptical may be better for the knee in terms of shock as opposed tio running but the motion of the ellliptical could be exactly what you shouldn't be doing because of whatever issue you have.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    bump me too.
  • I had the same thing for a long time, then at at 46 I slightly pulled a muscle in my back which resulting in my knees compensating and eventually (within 3 months) I tore my menicus in both knees, fell three times and tore my ACL. Still waiting for surgery, and have gained 15 lbs in 3 months, Just started with this fitness pal today. Get your knees checked, they dont get better without help, do it before it gets worse. I was a runner and trust me it has been the worse 5 months for me sitting around. Biking seems to be helping and I joined the community centre for swimming. Its pretty cheap you should look into it.
  • Rose_bee
    Rose_bee Posts: 226 Member
    I do partial squats, my knees can't handle a full squat.

    My kneecaps are both tilted laterally (to the outside), and my knees sound like they're 70 yrs old (I'm only 35).

    I do leg raises on a weight bench. It involves my knees going from 90* angle to extended, but I'm only pushing up whatever weight I put on the machine - I'm not trying to raise my entire body weight.

    I also use my elliptical machine 2 to 3 times a week.
  • Carrot1971
    Carrot1971 Posts: 272 Member
    My fear with getting my knees checked is that I will lose motivation to work out. At one point I lost over 25 pounds. I gained all but 6 of that back due to some major life issues the past six+ months. I REALLY want to get this weight off once and for all. I'm afraid if surgery is required I will gain it all back and then some!
  • LiftHuff
    LiftHuff Posts: 131
    I do partial squats, my knees can't handle a full squat.

    :facepalm:

    partial squats are WAY worse for your knees than a full, below-parallel squat.
  • Rose_bee
    Rose_bee Posts: 226 Member
    I do partial squats, my knees can't handle a full squat.

    :facepalm:

    partial squats are WAY worse for your knees than a full, below-parallel squat.

    I have knee issues and if I bend my knees closer towards 90* they make really god awful clicking & grinding noises & start to hurt.

    The partial squats at at the direction of my much trusted physical therapist, thankyouverymuch!
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    You should see an orthopedist. You do not "work through" knee pain. The knee is a complex joint, and muscle and imbalances can contribute. Women often have more problems than men.
  • Rose_bee
    Rose_bee Posts: 226 Member
    nevermind.
  • JustJennie1
    JustJennie1 Posts: 3,749 Member
    My fear with getting my knees checked is that I will lose motivation to work out. At one point I lost over 25 pounds. I gained all but 6 of that back due to some major life issues the past six+ months. I REALLY want to get this weight off once and for all. I'm afraid if surgery is required I will gain it all back and then some!

    I would think the fear of screwing up your knees worse by NOT seeing a specialist would be more of a concern.

    Suck it up and go to a doctor.
  • JustJennie1
    JustJennie1 Posts: 3,749 Member
    You should see an orthopedist. You do not "work through" knee pain. The knee is a complex joint, and muscle and imbalances can contribute. Women often have more problems than men.

    Thank you, but I already have seen an orthopedist about my biomechanical & genetic knee issues.

    I think this person was referring to the OP and not you.

    Unless you're the OP but changed your name?

    I am very confused about this post.
  • threshkreen
    threshkreen Posts: 79 Member
    I have had one knee replaced and am scheduling the other for some time in the fall. I know what you are saying. Having said that....one thing that will help your knees is getting the muscles that support the joint stronger. Leg extensioins are good but only through the upper third of the motion. Do NOT go all the way down on the leg extention machine because that puts too much pressure on the knee - you still strengthen the quad doing partial reps. Flexability was an issue with me on the hamstring oriented machines so I opted for deadlifts (straight leg).

    Don't be afraid to go see the doctor - if your knees are grinding that is not good. There are many non surgical things that can be done. But I do know that if you need replacement you should find a good personal trainer that specializes in bad knees and get those muscles strong before the operation. Makes a HUGE difference. Good luck, but don't stop exercising. One more thing - if your gym has an arc machine use that over the eliptical and don't do a recumbant bike. My physical therapist told me that that is the worst thing someone with bad knees can use.

    I love weightlifting and love being strong. I still do squats and do use a knee wrap on the bad knee. It seems to help.
  • unlocke
    unlocke Posts: 149
    I've had 3 knee surgeries, so I'm becoming an expert at this. :laugh
    First, go see your doctor to make sure there's nothing serious going on. Most likely not, but you never know.
    Next, do exercises to strengthen the muscles around the knee that holds the kneecap in place and causes it to "track" properly.
    Do lots of straight leg raises, calf raises, balance on the "bad" leg, mini-squats (quit when it hurts), knee-squeezes (hold something between your knees and squeeze for a count of 10), etc. The internet has tons of ideas for strengthening exercises.
    Braces also help tremendously. Also, elevate it & ice it immediately before and after a workout. This keeps inflammation down.
    If it keeps swelling, try taking an NSAID like Aleve once a day for a little while.
    Hope this helps. Good luck!
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    Knees are such complex joints you simply must get a diagnosis!
    Until you know what's wrong how will you ever know what you can and can't do? Or maybe more importantly the longer term prognosis.
    I've had three major knee injuries and never met anyone with exactly the same ones as me.

    Sure you could try each exercise and see what hurts but that's not the smartest option. It could be you need physio, surgery, rehab exercises a brace etc. etc.
  • rfsatar
    rfsatar Posts: 599 Member
    My fear with getting my knees checked is that I will lose motivation to work out. At one point I lost over 25 pounds. I gained all but 6 of that back due to some major life issues the past six+ months. I REALLY want to get this weight off once and for all. I'm afraid if surgery is required I will gain it all back and then some!
    Well I am now on a waiting list to see my orthopaedic surgeon for two knee operations.
    I do low impact cardio (walk on the treadmill, use an elliptical, cycle on a Spin-bike, use a rowing machine, swim with a pull-buoy float between my knees).
    I use Wii fit to do balance exercises, muscle workouts and yoga.
    I use resistance tubes to do strength work and worked with a Personal Trainer to learn how to use TRX Suspension straps to do some squats and lunges.

    That's with knowing that I will be out of action for several weeks/months at a time when I have these operations.

    I'm doing it to make sure that the inevitable atrophy when I can't do anything immediately post-op can be quickly recovered from.
    I will try to stick to MAINTENANCE calories... and have changed how I eat well enough to probably achieve that.

    So... GET a diagnosis and then plan around it.
  • JoanB5
    JoanB5 Posts: 610 Member
    I have had knee pain above and below my knee for three weeks. Ice, Alleve, ice, Alleve, more pain, try cross-training (Jillian and her squats are NOT helping the knees, though everything else would be fine otherwise...how do these overweight contestants handle all the squats and lunges, prey tell?) In asking myself this question, I remember reading that the contestants had personal massages.

    I decided to check out youtube. Here is an example or two that have helped pain for me today even though two ice sessions and Celebrex didn't have me "all there" (I'll keep doing them per my doctor's instructions):

    Self Massage Helped: (I used some lotion) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyLdBti9j48
    Also, another video I can't find that showed rubbing over muscles with a flat surface to get rid of "gritty" muscle that can be bound, causing pain to other ligaments and tendons. I used a long foot file, on it's side, with lotion.

    Trials, but I'm trying. And this is the first hour all day I've not been in pain. I could probably do my circuit training at this moment with some modifications.

    Also, bought knee straps this week at Wal*Mart, they seem to alleviate some pain while running. Didn't help with forward deepn knee lunges much. Seems like working up to lunges is always more difficult than it seems it should be.
  • I too have knee issues. Arthritis in both knees but it mostly affects my left knee. I was given Synvisc injections in my left knee and it helped tremendously! I lost weight and my doctor told me that whatever I was doing to lose the weight was going to help my knee issues and he wasn't about to tell me to stop. He did tell me that if it hurts, don't do it and not to push my limits.

    I've been pain (almost) free for 1 year and just take it day by day. I can tell you that whoever on this post suggested to switch sneakers is right, I do find that swapping them out often helps as well.

    Aqua exercise is awesome as well and just pain old walking is good too.
  • threshkreen
    threshkreen Posts: 79 Member
    I hate to tell you this, but if you think post knee replacement involves just sitting around, you are in for a surprise. You will be told to walk on the knee as much as you can stand, they get you out of bed the next day in the hospital. physical therapy is 3 times a week. It hurts a lot at first, but I had my first knee done a while ago and my doc said there have been huge advances since then. But a better faster recovery is an active recovery. You don't want to let the new joint get stiff from scar tissue, not moving the joint etc. Additionally, I lost weight post surgery and someone has since told me that post surgery your metabolism actually ramps up a bit to get on with the work of healing. Don't know if that is true or not, but I lost a small amount of weight. Good luck with the surgeries.
  • NormInv
    NormInv Posts: 3,303 Member
    I was a long time runner but knees are troubling now, so I bought a spinning bike. Its different and requires more effort to get the heart rate up but very very kind on the knees. In fact my knees feel better now than before!