Is my trainer right? Weights...
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Entirely too much volume for an untrained individual on their first day. At most, you should be advised to do 2 sets with about half the number of exercises where the focus should be on proper form and determining appropriate resistance. Doing 8 to 12 reps per set is standard fair, but look for a rating scale of exertion of about 5-7 or so (1 being very light; 10 being near 1 rep max). At this point, you can feel as though you'd be able to do a few more reps before failure. You can worry about upping weight later once form has been perfected.0
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I would say that is a WAY too complicated program for a beginner. If you absolutely love it, then there's really no harm, but you will get far more bang for your buck training on a tried and tried novice program for the first, say, 3-6 months of your lifting life.0
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Wow that's a lot, sounds complicated. lol. I would either get a new trainer or tell her this is not what you want to be doing, something simpler, or the compound lifts. Of course if you like it, and think you'll stick with it, then that's fine. I just started a new routine, out of Oxygen fitness magazine, full body, uses dumbbells, I like it. It is 4 sets of 12-15 reps.0
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I would ask your trainer to show you all of the compound lifts: deadlift, proper squat, overhead press, bench press, barbell row. after you are comfortable with that dump the trainer and do a compound starting program (strong lifts or starting strength) and you will see results, not have to remember an excessive routine and shed fat which are most people beginning lifting goals. After that you can work in isolation exercises to better tailor to your goals
For me when starting simplier is better. As long as you see results (increased strength, decreased body fat) I think it will keep you motivated 0 -
How much weight are you actually using? You're talking about reps but you don't say how much weight for each exercise. If they are assigning you too much and you're in pain - you're harming yourself. At that point, if they aren't listening...ask for a new trainer at the club you're attending. I would tell them (the new one) to reduce the weight amount. Are we talking 5 pounds, 10 pounds, 2 pounds? Are you being told to do 15 pounds, 30..more?
Every person is different so you may have given them the impression you wanted a seriously heavy workout. I'd tell them you want something simple and easy for you to do - fewer things to remember and just to vary it. It does seem like an unusual amount of exercises for one workout. My trainer generally does a mix and at the most it would be about 8 exercises but they aren't all weight exercises....abs....planks...mix of things to hit different areas and I never feel so sore that I can't move or anything...it's a good sore.
I didn't pay attention to the weight she put on that first day, but on the 3rd day when I was doing more arm work (a different routine, I don't have my paperwork with me though so I can't tell you exactly what it was) and at least for bench pressing and doing some kind of lying down (bench) tricep move, she had me at 50lbs for my heavy weight. I have no idea if that is really light or not but it sure didn't feel light to me.
She has her own small private spa/gym that she owns. I can't ask for a different trainer because she is the only trainer there at night when I can go, and since she owns the place I have a feeling the other trainers do things like her. I do not have any money to go somewhere else to pay someone different, that was a huge chunk of money I paid her. I have 5 more sessions with her and then I will be on my own at the YMCA where I have a family membership. I only hired her so I could learn how to lift weights so I could do it on my own and not look like an idiot. I mean I just have NO idea what anything is or how to use any of it!0 -
It's still your money. So you have the option of asking how to lift on a basic program, get feedback on the weight resistance needed and your form.I didn't pay attention to the weight she put on that first day, but on the 3rd day when I was doing more arm work (a different routine, I don't have my paperwork with me though so I can't tell you exactly what it was) and at least for bench pressing and doing some kind of lying down (bench) tricep move, she had me at 50lbs for my heavy weight. I have no idea if that is really light or not but it sure didn't feel light to me.
She has her own small private spa/gym that she owns. I can't ask for a different trainer because she is the only trainer there at night when I can go, and since she owns the place I have a feeling the other trainers do things like her. I do not have any money to go somewhere else to pay someone different, that was a huge chunk of money I paid her. I have 5 more sessions with her and then I will be on my own at the YMCA where I have a family membership. I only hired her so I could learn how to lift weights so I could do it on my own and not look like an idiot. I mean I just have NO idea what anything is or how to use any of it!
Usually people that own their own gyms IMO don't like to submit to guidelines from a standard approach. Some are more aggressive which is how they try to set themselves apart from other facilities. But really it depends on the actual trainer and their experience.
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I started with a personal trainer in January for the same reason, plus I was so scared to injury myself (I'm kinda a klutz).
My first session was on Jan 1st and I was so swore even a week later. I could barely walk! My second session was on the 11th and It was better but I still hurt a lot, this time it took a few days before I was feeling better. I talked with my personal trainer to figure out what I can do to help the recovery time.
She told me:
Stretch before and after workouts
Eat something high protein low fat within a half an hour of finishing the work out.
Drink lots of water, dehydration can cause muscle ache on its own
Take glutamine powder immediately after a work out. It aids in recovery
Take a hot bath with epsom salts to relax muscles
Stick with it and your muscles will get used to working out
Now it is rare I hurt much, and when I do it isn't more than one day.0 -
I started with a personal trainer in January for the same reason, plus I was so scared to injury myself (I'm kinda a klutz).
My first session was on Jan 1st and I was so swore even a week later. I could barely walk! My second session was on the 11th and It was better but I still hurt a lot, this time it took a few days before I was feeling better. I talked with my personal trainer to figure out what I can do to help the recovery time.
She told me:
Stretch before and after workouts
Eat something high protein low fat within a half an hour of finishing the work out.
Drink lots of water, dehydration can cause muscle ache on its own
Take glutamine powder immediately after a work out. It aids in recovery
Take a hot bath with epsom salts to relax muscles
Stick with it and your muscles will get used to working out
Now it is rare I hurt much, and when I do it isn't more than one day.
Or, people can just start slowly, give their bodies time to adapt, and in 3-4 weeks they can work out hard without feeling destroyed for 4-5 days.
Don't need any supplements, baths, complicated eating schedules, etc. Saves time and money.
And they end up right where you are now--usually just as quickly.
(Not picking on you--just on bad training practices).0 -
I started with a personal trainer in January for the same reason, plus I was so scared to injury myself (I'm kinda a klutz).
My first session was on Jan 1st and I was so swore even a week later. I could barely walk! My second session was on the 11th and It was better but I still hurt a lot, this time it took a few days before I was feeling better. I talked with my personal trainer to figure out what I can do to help the recovery time.
She told me:
Stretch before and after workouts
Eat something high protein low fat within a half an hour of finishing the work out.
Drink lots of water, dehydration can cause muscle ache on its own
Take glutamine powder immediately after a work out. It aids in recovery
Take a hot bath with epsom salts to relax muscles
Stick with it and your muscles will get used to working out
Now it is rare I hurt much, and when I do it isn't more than one day.
Or, people can just start slowly, give their bodies time to adapt, and in 3-4 weeks they can work out hard without feeling destroyed for 4-5 days.
Don't need any supplements, baths, complicated eating schedules, etc. Saves time and money.
And they end up right where you are now--usually just as quickly.
(Not picking on you--just on bad training practices).
To be fair I had a ton of trouble with my first work out, I have to keep sitting down feeling like I was going to pass out. My soreness for over a week from 15 squats, I was excessively out of shape.
The second session I was able to make through without stopping.0 -
If you're a beginner, I wouldn't have put you on a split program. Full body workout with rep range between 10-12 reps to get you accustomed to the exercise and to feel the right form. For a MINIMUM of 2 weeks might I add.
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Agreed. I see no point to all of these isolation exercises. I am a pretty experienced lifter and I do VERY LITTLE isolation exercises, and really, those are thrown in there for shoulder work mainly. Too repetitive!0 -
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I started with a personal trainer in January for the same reason, plus I was so scared to injury myself (I'm kinda a klutz).
My first session was on Jan 1st and I was so swore even a week later. I could barely walk! My second session was on the 11th and It was better but I still hurt a lot, this time it took a few days before I was feeling better. I talked with my personal trainer to figure out what I can do to help the recovery time.
She told me:
Stretch before and after workouts
Eat something high protein low fat within a half an hour of finishing the work out.
Drink lots of water, dehydration can cause muscle ache on its own
Take glutamine powder immediately after a work out. It aids in recovery
Take a hot bath with epsom salts to relax muscles
Stick with it and your muscles will get used to working out
Now it is rare I hurt much, and when I do it isn't more than one day.
Or, people can just start slowly, give their bodies time to adapt, and in 3-4 weeks they can work out hard without feeling destroyed for 4-5 days.
Don't need any supplements, baths, complicated eating schedules, etc. Saves time and money.
And they end up right where you are now--usually just as quickly.
(Not picking on you--just on bad training practices).
I also thought it was a bad idea to stretch pre-lifting - warm p first, excercise then stretch after warmdown.0 -
The only thing I can say is that is just a ton of volume, with mostly redundant isolation exercises. Beginners (and all lifters really, but experienced lifters already know this) should have a core of compound lifts. You have 1 in there, and it's a seated press. Do them standing up and help build your core too.
A back day without deadlifts? 5-6 different lifts for shoulders, which are a small muscle group? Multiple row/pulldown/pullovers to work every angle but no barbell rows?
This type of routine is how people get discouraged and quit.
As a beginner, I wouldn't even consider a split routine where you are doing back/shoulders on 1 day, and then whatever else they have you doing on other days. Full body with compound lifts will get you better results in a more efficient manner.
Deadlift
Standing Military Press
Lat Pulldowns/Chinups and/or barbell rows
Hit those lifts good and hard and they will do everything that laundry list of exercises will do, with better effect.
I know it's the standard response, but look into the 5x5 type of program. It's really a nice program for beginners/intermediate lifters. Even for more experienced lifters, it has everything you need to make gains. Tell your trainer you want to learn proper form on squats, deadlifts, bench press, overhead press, and barbell rows. If they can't help you, find someone who can.
Great advice.
IMO this routine makes next to no sense considering you're classified as a beginner... 33 sets!? You do not need 5 exercises for shoulders which are a smaller muscle group then back. Also, they are nearly all isolation exercises.. you will get more bang for your buck with compound movements.
Gotta agree with both of you. Too much volume, too many iso's, too much redundancy. Not a very efficient routine.0 -
Does your trainer have a good track record? Did you ask them about their success stories? Do they typically train people of your age/experience/gender?
I too am a CFT and group instructor. Personally I like to keep it around 24 total working sets, but other than that it looks solid albeit slightly advanced.0 -
is your trainer teaching you deadlift, squat, and bench press form ...if not, get a new one...0
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Thanks everyone! I know she changed the exercises she gives me than what she gives most other new clients because of my back. I have severe scoliosis, so maybe that is why she doesn't have me doing some of the things suggested here? Like I said, I am a very true beginner and have never lifted weights before so I don't know a thing about them. It just seemed impossible while I was doing it, after only doing the heavy reps one time I just can't imagine doing them 3 times in a row! If it is normal though I will just keep plugging along. The legs day didn't seem nearly as bad, though 3 days later I am just now able to sit without wanting to cry!
My back is F-ed and I have no help to offer other then some inspiration:
Barbie-Barbell (not me) I suggest you look her up, she seems to be doing fine with weights.
" I was diagnosed with acute scoliosis at the age of eight. The doctors wanted to place me into a Halo brace, which is major surgery where the doctors drill bolts into the skull and insert steel rods down the length of the spine, and finish it off with a corset looking device to keep me from twisting. I was also born with cleft feet and had to wear leg braces for the first 2 years of my life just so that I could learn to walk properly." - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/894293-ladies-weight-lifting-will-make-something-bulky
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I hired a personal trainer for 8 sessions so I could learn how to lift weights. I have done cardio and don't need any help with that, but weights was just too confusing for me to figure out by reading about it. So I hired her. I am in so much pain from my first two sessions with her I can't even explain it, I'm sure that's a good thing though.
My question is the amount of reps she has me doing. It just seems like a lot from different things I have read. And I just don't know how I am going to do that many as the first two sessions were more just teaching me, so I didn't even do 1/2 of how many she wants me to be doing, and I could hardly do it. I know for a fact I won't be able to do how many reps she wants me to do at the weight she wants me to do it. Of course when I told her that she does the whole "Yes you can! We ARE going to do it, you can't give up, blah blah blah"
Anyway, I will just give you an example of day one:
Back And Shoulders
Close Grip Lat Pull-downs 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med weight, 8 reps heavy weight x3
Standing Lat Press 5 reps med weight, 8 reps heavy x3
Lying Dumbbell Pullovers 5 reps med weight, 8 reps heavy x3
Seated Single Arm Rows 3 sets of 8 reps each arm, heavy
Low Back Extensions on Ball 10 reps x3
Seated Shoulder Press with Bar 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med weight, 8 reps heavy weight x3
Upright Rows with Bar 5reps med weight, 8 reps heavy x3
Dumbbell front raises 8 reps each arm 3 sets light/med/heavy
Dumbell side raises 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3
Rear Delt Cable Rows 3 sets, 8 reps each arm heavy
Dumbbell shrugs 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3
So since I have never ever done any kind of weights I really have no idea if this is normal or not? The 3x's of 8 reps of heavy is just hard for me to wrap my head around. Since I only did the one rep and could hardly do that I just don't see doing 3 reps of them! Will I just get better?
Seems good to me. Are you looking for a reason to quit which is why you are asking this question?
well, arent you a peach.
I like starting strength or stronglifts.
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/The_Starting_Strength_Novice/Beginner_Programs0 -
I don't have a problem with the amount of sets and reps. The weight may be too heavy tho.
I do, however, have a problem with the total amount of work. 6 exercises for back and 6 for shoulders for a beginner is crazy time. I'd cut that in half immediately. Maybe even 75%. As a general rule, when I'm working with a complete beginner, I cut the work down to almost nothing for the first couple weeks. You're going to be unbelievably sore no matter what we do so I try to keep it to a minimum.0 -
I don't have a problem with the amount of sets and reps. The weight may be too heavy tho.
I do, however, have a problem with the total amount of work. 6 exercises for back and 6 for shoulders for a beginner is crazy time. I'd cut that in half immediately. Maybe even 75%. As a general rule, when I'm working with a complete beginner, I cut the work down to almost nothing for the first couple weeks. You're going to be unbelievably sore no matter what we do so I try to keep it to a minimum.
While I personally like Stronglifts and Starting Strength, What Dav said makes tons of sense. Go extremely light until you get your form straight, build up from a lighter start, and get ready to be sore. With time, you'll wear it like a badge of pride.0 -
Thanks everyone! I know she changed the exercises she gives me than what she gives most other new clients because of my back. I have severe scoliosis, so maybe that is why she doesn't have me doing some of the things suggested here? Like I said, I am a very true beginner and have never lifted weights before so I don't know a thing about them. It just seemed impossible while I was doing it, after only doing the heavy reps one time I just can't imagine doing them 3 times in a row! If it is normal though I will just keep plugging along. The legs day didn't seem nearly as bad, though 3 days later I am just now able to sit without wanting to cry!
My back is F-ed and I have no help to offer other then some inspiration:
Barbie-Barbell (not me) I suggest you look her up, she seems to be doing fine with weights.
" I was diagnosed with acute scoliosis at the age of eight. The doctors wanted to place me into a Halo brace, which is major surgery where the doctors drill bolts into the skull and insert steel rods down the length of the spine, and finish it off with a corset looking device to keep me from twisting. I was also born with cleft feet and had to wear leg braces for the first 2 years of my life just so that I could learn to walk properly." - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/894293-ladies-weight-lifting-will-make-something-bulky
Never get tired of reading about her.0 -
Does your trainer have a good track record? Did you ask them about their success stories? Do they typically train people of your age/experience/gender?
I too am a CFT and group instructor. Personally I like to keep it around 24 total working sets, but other than that it looks solid albeit slightly advanced.
She has many before/after pictures and stories in her salon/gym. Her before/after pics of herself are crazy. She is the exact same age as me, and it seems like a lot of the people she has trained are around the same age, though it seems like more of them are much older.
Here are the other two days:
Legs: she has me doing 3 circuits,
Circuit 1
Squats 10 reps
Forward Fold Stretch
Stretch side to side
Circuit 2
Squats Med weight (she had me holding a 20lb kettlebell) 10 reps
Forward Lunges light weight 10 reps each leg, she had me doing these with no weights right now
Lying Hamstring Curl 10 reps each leg
Standing Calf Raises 10 reps each leg
Lying Side Leg Raises 10 reps each leg
Circuit 3
Horizontal or Angled Leg Press 10 reps each leg, light weight
Calf raises in the leg press 10 reps
Then the other session is for Biceps/Triceps/Chest/Abs
Circuit 1
Barbell Bicep Curls 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Barbell Tricep Extensions 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Bench Press 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Abs Ball Crunches, Lying leg raises, bicycle crunches 10 reps x3
Circuit 2
Dumbell Bicep Curls 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3
Dumbell Tricep Extensions 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3
Incline dumbell chest press 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3
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Thanks everyone! I know she changed the exercises she gives me than what she gives most other new clients because of my back. I have severe scoliosis, so maybe that is why she doesn't have me doing some of the things suggested here? Like I said, I am a very true beginner and have never lifted weights before so I don't know a thing about them. It just seemed impossible while I was doing it, after only doing the heavy reps one time I just can't imagine doing them 3 times in a row! If it is normal though I will just keep plugging along. The legs day didn't seem nearly as bad, though 3 days later I am just now able to sit without wanting to cry!
My back is F-ed and I have no help to offer other then some inspiration:
Barbie-Barbell (not me) I suggest you look her up, she seems to be doing fine with weights.
" I was diagnosed with acute scoliosis at the age of eight. The doctors wanted to place me into a Halo brace, which is major surgery where the doctors drill bolts into the skull and insert steel rods down the length of the spine, and finish it off with a corset looking device to keep me from twisting. I was also born with cleft feet and had to wear leg braces for the first 2 years of my life just so that I could learn to walk properly." - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/894293-ladies-weight-lifting-will-make-something-bulky
Thank you, I will read about her.
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Atho it's not a routine I would personally do or recommend to someone, there's nothing inherently bad about it. If you like the trainer and wish to stick with him/her, ask them to modify the routine so that you are doing a lot less work (read: less exercises per bodypart) for the first month. The amount of weight you lift will most likely take care of itself. You'll be surprised how much stronger you'll get early on. It's more about your body teaching itself how to react to lifting heavy weights as opposed to actually developing muscle.0
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Your trainer is trying to kill you.
From what I have read, start off with as much weight as you feel comfortable with. Do as much as you can, and the next time you try, do more. If you can only do 3 reps out of 10 right, its better to stop there then it is to do them wrong. I like to use this website as a guide (www.nerdfitness.com) because I started out where you are with no weight training experience what so ever and now I am able to actually do pull ups.0 -
I give my clients a week or two to get their form down. All these cues they learn the first day, they hear for monthes, even I have to constantly remind myself of proper form constantly. I would never just dive into heavy weight training with a previously inactive and unknowledged client with the ambition to learn the art of weight training. I like my clients, and want them to come back. But then again, when I worked in a club, they would hire literally anyone as a trainer at a busy gym. Learn, Dedicate, Inspire, Conquer!0
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That's way way way too much volume, too much time, and too many ****ty isolation exercises for a beginner.
Your trainer sucks and is doing you a disservice.
Since you have already paid the money I would ask/demand that she teach you good form on the main lifts - squat, bench, deadlift, and press.
That way you at least have learned good form and then can take that knowledge with you when you start working out on your own.
Honestly if that was truly the first ever day you lifted weights I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't even raise your arms above your head the next morning without grimacing.0 -
Circuit 1
Barbell Bicep Curls 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Barbell Tricep Extensions 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Bench Press 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Abs Ball Crunches, Lying leg raises, bicycle crunches 10 reps x3
This alone has me cringing for a "beginner" routine. Drop the trainer, find a new one IMO. That is way too much weight to start with, not to mention the amount of reps included in 1 set alone. Like another poster stated, your trainer is a f*cking moron to start you so heavy and so much at a beginning weight.0 -
Pick up a copy of "Body Sculpting Bible for Women" and save yourself the cost of the trainer.
Or get a better trainer...
Basically for a lower weight you should be doing more reps, at a higher weight you do fewer reps. And if you have a bad back you shouldn't be doing back extensions or leg raises.0 -
Ditto...strong lifts 5X5 is great...especially for beginners.0
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Barbell Bicep Curls 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Barbell Tricep Extensions 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Bench Press 8 reps light weight, 5 reps med, 8 reps heavy x3 (for heavy she had me at 50lbs)
Abs Ball Crunches, Lying leg raises, bicycle crunches 10 reps x3
curls with 50lbs and tricep extensions with 50lbs on day 1? Could you even do a single rep? And if you can't do all of the reps, did she allow you to lower the weight? There is no way you should be doing those to lifts while benching 50lbs too.
To me, heavy tricep extensions + no experience = impending tendinitus and discouragement.0
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