Juicing and weight loss, and lifting.

dbmata
dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
edited January 18 in Health and Weight Loss
Hey there! So I sit here this morning thinking to myself that I'd like to try a juice fast for 10 days to start, and see where it goes from there. Some reasons I'm thinking of this are:
1. Enhanced Caloric Deficit
2. Increased intake of the micros I know I'm not getting enough of.
3. Detox effect, and hoping to "reboot" my system
4. Take a vacation from my normal eating habits

Also during this time, I'm going to be working out more. I am working out now, but suffering some nasty DOMs, so I'm taking it slowly. My workout is generally 20 minutes of warmup at a good pace on a recumbent stationary bike, and then free weights. In looking that you can't really juice a steak, nor... why would you want to? I think I'll address my protein needs via supplmentation with ON's Gold Standard Whey, and their Casein as well. That should be a clean, consistent source of useful protein. I've not looked, but I think that covers all the aminos I will need.

So for the juicing, what should I be trying to do, what results should I look for? I'm expecting weightloss, increased energy, and overall better system health, would that be accurate?

Any juicers that are excellent in the sub $200 range? Has anyone else done something like this before and had any results, negative or positive? Is my thought process for the protein supplementation lacking anything I haven't thought around yet?

Thanks.

(I did search, but didn't find specific hits.)

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  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    bump up the jam pump it up
    while your feet are stompin'
    and the jam is pumpin'
    look at here the crowd is jumpin'

    I don't always bump threads, but when I do, it looks like this.
  • Fr3shStrt
    Fr3shStrt Posts: 349 Member
    It seems counter intuitive to bump up your work out and at the same time feed your body less of what it needs. I think increasing intake of micros is great, but I prefer using a blender that way I get the fiber from the fruits and veggies. Plus blenders are way cheeper.
    I would do some more research on this "detox" thing, I don't think you are going to get the health benefits you are looking for, and if you aren't adequately supplying your body with food, you aren't going to get any kind of increase in energy either.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    Noted.

    Have you tried this before?
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    This is a good read:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821828-detoxes-and-cleanses
  • Fr3shStrt
    Fr3shStrt Posts: 349 Member
    Noted.

    Have you tried this before?

    About a year ago, after the holidays when I was feeling bloated and awful I did a "cleanse". It wasn't a juice fast, but it was a diet of "cleansing" foods. I ended up throwing up on a crowded subway on my way to work. And since I was "cleansing" my vomit was mainly the pink colored bile that was in my stomach since I had beet soup for dinner the night before. I was sweating and chilled and felt like *kitten*.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,458 MFP Moderator
    In the end, it's all about calories in vs out. I can tell you from personal experience on days I only get 2000 calories, my performance suffers. Also, under feeding your body will lead to greater muscle loss, while it may be good for morbidly obese people but it won't help long term. Just clean up your eating.. eliminate processed foods and concentrate on whole lean foods. There is no reason to juice unless you use it as a supplement.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    In the end, it's all about calories in vs out. I can tell you from personal experience on days I only get 2000 calories, my performance suffers. Also, under feeding your body will lead to greater muscle loss, while it may be good for morbidly obese people but it won't help long term. Just clean up your eating.. eliminate processed foods and concentrate on whole lean foods. There is no reason to juice unless you use it as a supplement.
    I'm doing decently well on my eating, and I'm at the point where my processed foods are basically things I can't make myself, butter, cheese, flour, pressed oils, market cuts of meat. :) Which honestly, are easy to make, I just don't want to do it due to a cost v time thing.

    I'm working under 2k, I'm aiming for about 1600, and happy if I get within range, paired with working out, I'm losing, at a fairly decent rate, according to my clothes. Additionally, under feeding may lead to atrophy if you neglect macros your body needs. I set a 150-200g a day protein target, I maintain that, and I'd be amazed if I have muscle loss, even while engaging in weight training.

    dancingonstar mentioned the movie Fat sick and nearly dead, I've seen it, been interested purely out of an experimental look at it. What could happen if I engaged in a short term experiment such as ten days. What things would I have to make sure I keep dialed in? I think I have a good plan for protein intake, only thing that is missing is fats, which honestly I could add a little olive oil to a juice, and be good to go.

    sjw54 - holy... wow, that sounds fun. Was what you were doing close enough to a juice fast to be comparable?

    Thanks for the link to sarauk2sf's thread. Read and interesting information pulled out for further review.

    ETA- Oh, regarding the juicer. I'm buying it either way. I love carrot juice, and am tired of buying it when it's simple to make it.
  • JDySart777
    JDySart777 Posts: 270 Member
    I've been wanting to try something different...this is a thought.
  • Warchortle
    Warchortle Posts: 2,197 Member
    If I can lose weight, gain muscle, with real food without the inconvenience of a juicer.. why bother?
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    If I can lose weight, gain muscle, with real food without the inconvenience of a juicer.. why bother?

    Efficiency. I wouldn't mind not cooking for a week or so. ;) Call it lazy, but now that the days are longer, I'd rather be at the gun range than in the kitchen, and I am fairly certain Fat Burger isn't a healthy lifestyle choice. ;)
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,458 MFP Moderator
    If I can lose weight, gain muscle, with real food without the inconvenience of a juicer.. why bother?

    Efficiency. I wouldn't mind not cooking for a week or so. ;) Call it lazy, but now that the days are longer, I'd rather be at the gun range than in the kitchen, and I am fairly certain Fat Burger isn't a healthy lifestyle choice. ;)

    In the end, it doesn't matter what you eat. I eat out frequently with good results. I should be in single digit body fat withing a month or two. The fact that you are eating 1600 calories is a little scary as that isn't much for a man, especially if you are active and I know I saw greater results at 2600 calories than 1800 calories. The question is, why are you that low? My wife is at 1400 calories and she is 5'2 and 140 lbs.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,458 MFP Moderator
    Check out a film/documentary called "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead", you can find it on Netflix, it's all about a couple guys who lost a lot of weight doing juice fasts, and I think one guy started out on a ten day program. Anyway, they both were decently overweight (one obese) and they totally turned their lives around.

    keep in mind this documentary is designed to sell an idea of a lifestyle. I wouldn't take it as scientific fact by any means.
  • Fr3shStrt
    Fr3shStrt Posts: 349 Member
    sjw54 - holy... wow, that sounds fun. Was what you were doing close enough to a juice fast to be comparable?



    ETA- Oh, regarding the juicer. I'm buying it either way. I love carrot juice, and am tired of buying it when it's simple to make it.


    I honestly don't remember the details of my "cleanse". I got it from Whole Living magazine and I'm pretty sure I only consumed vegetables in smoothie and soup form for a day or two before my body freaked out.

    Regarding the juicer, I hear you can make your own nut milks (almond milk, cashew milk, etc) with a juicer, which sounds awesome.

    Good luck to you.
  • Greenrun99
    Greenrun99 Posts: 2,065 Member
    Juicing isn't going to help your DOMS, you get that cause you haven't used those muscles in a while and your pushing them.. Only way to reduce that is to keep working them.. not taking juice.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    Juicing isn't going to help your DOMS, you get that cause you haven't used those muscles in a while and your pushing them.. Only way to reduce that is to keep working them.. not taking juice.
    Yup. althought Aleve does quite well.

    So an update, on day three with what is basically a reduced caloric intake schedule.

    Had a brutal boxing workout a couple days ago that I'm still feeling. I'm bright, more mentally awake, lot of energy, and feeling good. Been supplementing the juices with both whey and casein protein, as appropriate.

    I expected at least some weakness, or some ill feelings, but damn, I'm really surprised. I feel good. Another good workout today, not sure if I'm going to hit up the freeweights, or go back and box. I was sucking wind from that workout, so maybe I should go back and do it.

    I'll break the "fast" on Black Saturday, and brew some beer to celebrate.
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