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joselo2
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Sooo, who heard this new proposal for people to pay for a flight based on weight?? what do you think of it??
I totally disagree!! I agree that if you take 2 seats you should pay 2 fairs. i weighed 400lbs at my most, down to bout 340lbs now and i know all about getting 2 tickets for trains, concerts etc. I don't fly because i cant afford 2 seats! BUT i think making an entire system based on it is unfair and illogical. like why have a 120lb person pay less than 180lb person?? Everyone is getting the same service. while skinny people may enjoy paying less (who wouldn't??) I do not think anyone would feel they are being short changed if they, as one person, need to pay a fair for the flight of one person.
It just seems like picking on and humiliating bigger people really. Do they not see that? Or could it be, and i suspect it is, that they feel fat people deserve punishment and humilation? What do you think?
http://news.msn.com/us/airline-fares-pay-according-to-your-weight
I totally disagree!! I agree that if you take 2 seats you should pay 2 fairs. i weighed 400lbs at my most, down to bout 340lbs now and i know all about getting 2 tickets for trains, concerts etc. I don't fly because i cant afford 2 seats! BUT i think making an entire system based on it is unfair and illogical. like why have a 120lb person pay less than 180lb person?? Everyone is getting the same service. while skinny people may enjoy paying less (who wouldn't??) I do not think anyone would feel they are being short changed if they, as one person, need to pay a fair for the flight of one person.
It just seems like picking on and humiliating bigger people really. Do they not see that? Or could it be, and i suspect it is, that they feel fat people deserve punishment and humilation? What do you think?
http://news.msn.com/us/airline-fares-pay-according-to-your-weight
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What date is Monday again? ;-)0
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it be 27th March today. Monday is the easter bank holiday horay0
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Being an Aerospace Engineer I know the harsh fact is airline travel is all about weight. That's the unfortunate truth. The heavier the plane the more fuel and the longer the trip.0
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hmmmm.... gonna have to read up on that... Thanks for the info.0
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Being an Aerospace Engineer I know the harsh fact is airline travel is all about weight. That's the unfortunate truth. The heavier the plane the more fuel and the longer the trip.
i dont see why that means heavier people are benefitting more from it though, so why pay more? They are actually receivong a poorer service due to the rudeness so that should cancel it out and mean they pay less i figure.0 -
Very interesting. I'm going to have to read more but I don't see this happening.
It would make kids travel very inexpensive though...0 -
Very interesting. I'm going to have to read more but I don't see this happening.
It would make kids travel very inexpensive though...
They should pay double! Especially the babies. Popping ears hurt and plane rides are boring, but I don't need to hear them screaming.0 -
I don't have a big problem with airlines putting together fares that are a flat rate for things like pilot's salaries, depreciation on the equipment, etc etc etc, and then having a variable component for gas usage that's based on weight. However, I think administratively it would be a nightmare and would never happen. Do you have people input their weight when they buy the ticket? How do you verify that? Do you weigh everyone in as they go through security? And you'd HAVE to include luggage in that - there's no way that I'm paying extra for my fat patootie if someone else gets to bring twice as much luggage than me and not pay for that. You'd have to weigh everyone's luggage, too.... Never gonna happen. It would cost way more to implement than the airlines would ever make on it.0
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So I'm assuming if weight affects planes then it also affects cars.. so then would cab drivera and bus drivers so the same? I unserstand if u take up to seats having to pay for to seats. But how can u differentiate against a very tall muscular man vs a small fat woman like myself? Isn't that some type of discrimination in itself? And I agree with the other person who said to take into consideration luggage... A tiny person w a million shoes in thier suitcase should be just as liable as me n my bookbag carryon. Just a lot of variables to consider if they try to implement that...0
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I think this should have been done ages ago! You pay for most luggage and if it is overweight you pay even more. I am all for a base rate and then an additional amount for what you weight plus the weight of all your luggage.
UPS charges by weight. FedEx charges by weight and in the end all airlines are going is transporting you and your luggage from point A to point B.0 -
I think skinny people should sit on my arm rest.0
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Very interesting. I'm going to have to read more but I don't see this happening.
It would make kids travel very inexpensive though...
They should pay double! Especially the babies. Popping ears hurt and plane rides are boring, but I don't need to hear them screaming.
And your whining about them should cost you triple. LOL0 -
I think skinny people should sit on my arm rest.
Flip the coin....I resent paying the same price for clothes as larger people..I'm small so they use less material right? So my clothes should be cheaper?0 -
This type of argument bugs me. I know I am tecnically obese, I am also taller as a female at 5'9", I travel a bit and I have never had a problem sitting in a seat or doing up a seatbelt (I can even tighten it!), i can fit bwteen the armrests and dont ooze onto the next sear. I know on pure weight a plane uses more fuel to fly, but there is always so many other variables to consider than just pure weight of a passenger. I don't know how many times a tall business man has sat next to me and has oozed onto my seat because they are too broad for the seat...but they might be healthy weight for their height or do they pick a number and anyone over that weight healthy or not pay an extra fee per kg?0
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I think this should have been done ages ago! You pay for most luggage and if it is overweight you pay even more. I am all for a base rate and then an additional amount for what you weight plus the weight of all your luggage.
UPS charges by weight. FedEx charges by weight and in the end all airlines are going is transporting you and your luggage from point A to point B.
But what if you don't bring luggage? That would irritate the crap out of me if as a decently fit 220 lbs guy with a 10 lbs carry on I had to pay an over weight fee for myself and the 190 lbs guy with the 49.5 lbs carry on payed less.0 -
1) Very likely gonna gonna go. Companies aren't gonna start installing and training people to weight people at airport.
2) If you're overweight, you should be paying for 2 seats. I am overweight. When I took a 24+ hours flight I was mortified that I would have to pay for 2. I didn't had to but I woulda understood. Its not the other passengers problem that I'm fat and so they have to be uncomfortable because of me.
3) Kids on planes are annoying. I know thats not the point of this thread but I just wanted to point it out.0 -
I don't think that the issue is just about the weight - it is about the fit. I know that airlines transport a lot of cargo not just for passengers but packages etc so... there is an overall weight limit and the more it weighs, the more fuel etc. but... I think the issue is the fit.
As airlines continue to put more seats into same plane size, the size available is reduced. Both side-to-side and the knee space. I do have an issue when I am squished next to the window or into the aisle if someone next to me really is too big for the one tiny seat. I am small and feel tight in some seats so I cannot see how a big person (not fat but how about 6'6" at 250 lbs) fits into a seat.
The airline uses "weight" to justify more money as they reduce seat size and space.0 -
3) Kids are annoying. I know thats not the point of this thread but I just wanted to point it out.
That's more accurate,0 -
I think this should have been done ages ago! You pay for most luggage and if it is overweight you pay even more. I am all for a base rate and then an additional amount for what you weight plus the weight of all your luggage.
UPS charges by weight. FedEx charges by weight and in the end all airlines are going is transporting you and your luggage from point A to point B.
But what if you don't bring luggage? That would irritate the crap out of me if as a decently fit 220 lbs guy with a 10 lbs carry on I had to pay an over weight fee for myself and the 190 lbs guy with the 49.5 lbs carry on payed less.
You wouldn't pay less. You are transporting 230 lbs, he is transporting 239.5 lbs.0 -
I'm only small..but the seats I travel in are bloody tiny!0
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I think this should have been done ages ago! You pay for most luggage and if it is overweight you pay even more. I am all for a base rate and then an additional amount for what you weight plus the weight of all your luggage.
UPS charges by weight. FedEx charges by weight and in the end all airlines are going is transporting you and your luggage from point A to point B.
But what if you don't bring luggage? That would irritate the crap out of me if as a decently fit 220 lbs guy with a 10 lbs carry on I had to pay an over weight fee for myself and the 190 lbs guy with the 49.5 lbs carry on payed less.
You wouldn't pay less. You are transporting 230 lbs, he is transporting 239.5 lbs.
Right. Which is why I would be anoid at having to pay more ie. and over weight fee.0 -
I think if it is truely about weight in regards to fuel and flight time, they should quit letting people take suitcases on the plane.0
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I stated that backwards, you would pay less than the guy with the luggage because you would be transporting less overall weight. I included luggage in my post.
It's all just an exercise in debate anyway. No airline will risk a policy like this even thought they all want to. Too much risk of discrimination.0 -
I stated that backwards, you would pay less than the guy with the luggage because you would be transporting less overall weight. I included luggage in my post.
It's all just an exercise in debate anyway. No airline will risk a policy like this even thought they all want to. Too much risk of discrimination.
I'm not so sure - Ryanair wanted, at one point, to charge people for going to the loo whilst on the plane!0 -
Very interesting. I'm going to have to read more but I don't see this happening.
It would make kids travel very inexpensive though...
They should pay double! Especially the babies. Popping ears hurt and plane rides are boring, but I don't need to hear them screaming.
Parents who fly with children frequently should have less trouble getting the kids to be good passengers. Time meals or snacks (or a mini-bottle) with take off and landing to help with the ears of a baby.
I don't remember my flights as a toddler but I'm told we did that a lot. My parents used to book the bulk head seats because they had extra foot room and a solid wall. As soon as the fasten seat beat sign was off, I was allowed to get up and play on the floor in front of them (but not in the aisle).
Pack gum or hard candy or other snacks to help with the ears during take off and landing--I do this even as a adult. It comes in handy if you're ever stranded in an airport as well. Hubby makes fun of my travel bag sometimes, but when he traveled without me last time, he turned out to be grateful for the cereal bar I'd tucked into his bag, because his hotel didn't serve breakfast. Their shuttle to the conference was late and so they didn't have time to grab a "real" breakfast before he had to meet with people. When we traveled abroad and included crackers, the crackers we didn't eat on the plane came in handy for some local smoked salmon and cheeses we picked up in a town market. With the crackers, it made a nice lunch of sorts when we were on the road between locations.
As for the older kids, there are lots of things to do that don't involve leaving a seat--if you plan for it. I have fond memories of decking the barf-bags with googly eyes and doodles to make puppets for example. I imagine that whoever found these barf bags later got a laugh or two.
When I was older, my folks made sure I had a window seat just behind the wing because I loved to watch the parts of the wing move in operation. It's still my favorite place to sit on a plane.
Later, as a pre-teen who flew alone, I always packed a small stuffed animal for if I ended up near a much younger kid on a plane. Sometimes I didn't need it and sometimes it was handy and mom was happy for the kid's distraction.
As for the main topic, I could see categories for weight (0-50, 50-100, 100-150, etc) but I think the whole idea is a bit unlikely. Passengers would freak out too much.
As a short (but overweight) female, I do wish the seats were bigger. Not for my own seat (although I do have broad shoulders for my height), but for those of the people around me. I hate it when my space is taken over by someone else. Even sitting next to my husband is a problem, not because of his gut, but rather because his shoulders are so broad.... The seats really do need to be big enough to a decent sized man to have a bit of shoulder and knee room.0 -
I think skinny people should sit on my arm rest.
Flip the coin....I resent paying the same price for clothes as larger people..I'm small so they use less material right? So my clothes should be cheaper?0
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