Quiting hCG Diet
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You can find studies to back up whatever opinion you have....just sayin....... :flowerforyou:0
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People can and will do whatever they please. That said, having a guidebook doesn't necessarily make something effective. Doing "research" should mean reading medical journals and not just the popular press about a diet. Have you read any published, peer-reviewed, placebo-controlled, double-blind studies that show the HCG hormone to effective in weight loss?
Here you go, for anyone interested:
Chorionic Gonadotropin in Weight Control
A Double-Blind Crossover Study
Lt Col Robert L. Young, MC, USAF; Robert J. Fuchs, MS; Myron J. Woltjen, MD
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/236/22/2495.pdf
This one is also a good read, highlighting various effects of the Minnesota study.
http://www.possibility.com/wiki/index.php?title=EffectsOfSemiStarvation0 -
Why oh why won't these stupid hCG threads ever end. They are like a migraine....annoying and painful. Unless there is well documented research done to prove that this hormone (I'll assume it's a synthetic product) is safe for non-pregnant people then maybe it will be accepted by the medical communtiy. Furthermore, since it is a pregnancy hormone, why is it that women are always trying to lose the baby weight? If it was that wonderful, no woman who gives birth would be over weight.
As long as people believe it and the demand is there, it will continue to exist, unfortunately.
Rest assured though, in a few months, there will be a new fad diet trend that will trump HCG.
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People can and will do whatever they please. That said, having a guidebook doesn't necessarily make something effective. Doing "research" should mean reading medical journals and not just the popular press about a diet. Have you read any published, peer-reviewed, placebo-controlled, double-blind studies that show the HCG hormone to effective in weight loss?
Here you go, for anyone interested:
Chorionic Gonadotropin in Weight Control
A Double-Blind Crossover Study
Lt Col Robert L. Young, MC, USAF; Robert J. Fuchs, MS; Myron J. Woltjen, MD
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/236/22/2495.pdf
Great article. Blinded RCTs are pretty much the gold standard for research and not surprisingly, not the kind of research most people trying to sell you something are using. For anyone that didn't read the article it found that not only was there no difference in weight loss between those taking HCG and those taking a placebo but also no difference in change in skinfold thickness (ie body fat lost).0 -
Essentially what HCG does is release the thousands of calories a day that your body has stored up in abnormal fat deposits. Your body doesn't go into starvation mode because the 500-calorie diet only there to supplement the intake your body is supplying itself. As I've said many times in other threads here, the program was designed by an MD in Italy. His name is Dr. ATW Simeons and his guidebook is in the public domain and widely available in PDF format for free on the internet. Please read and educate yourself before you dismiss something that you really have no idea about.
I'm sure I'll probably regret jumping on this thread and, frankly, I don't give a crap one way or another about HCG. People can and will do whatever they please. That said, having a guidebook doesn't necessarily make something effective. Doing "research" should mean reading medical journals and not just the popular press about a diet. Have you read any published, peer-reviewed, placebo-controlled, double-blind studies that show the HCG hormone to effective in weight loss? And I mean one published in a medical journal and not only on an HCG-promoting website.
Yeah, me neither. Maybe you know of one. If so, point me to it because I would like to read it (I haven't scoured the medical journals, so maybe one actually does exist.)
But I did find one showing NO difference between a placebo group and a group given the hormone EXCEPT that the group given HCG reported higher levels of anxiety than the group given the placebo. Sounds swell. And also like a huge waste of money. But hey, to each his own.
The study I'm talking about was:
Greenway, F. L. "Human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity: a critical assessment of the Simeons method." Western Journal of Medicine 127.6 (1977):461.
Abstract:
Injections of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) have been claimed to aid in weight reduction by reducing hunger, and affecting mood as well as aiding in localized (spot) reduction. We have tested these claims in a double-blind randomized trial using injections of HCG or placebo. Weight loss was identical between the two groups, and there was no evidence for differential effects on hunger, mood or localized body measurements. Placebo injections, therefore, appear to be as effective as HCG in the treatment of obesity.
Thank you! So.........where can I find this "placebo" thing to which you refer?
edit to add: I had no idea this has been around since before 1977!0 -
Here you go, for anyone interested:
Chorionic Gonadotropin in Weight Control
A Double-Blind Crossover Study
Lt Col Robert L. Young, MC, USAF; Robert J. Fuchs, MS; Myron J. Woltjen, MD
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/236/22/2495.pdf
Thanks! So, I've now seen two showing NO difference whatsoever between HCG and placebo and I haven't seen a any showing that HCG actually does anything for weight loss, except to remove some of that pesky cash people have in their wallets.0 -
Here you go, for anyone interested:
Chorionic Gonadotropin in Weight Control
A Double-Blind Crossover Study
Lt Col Robert L. Young, MC, USAF; Robert J. Fuchs, MS; Myron J. Woltjen, MD
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/236/22/2495.pdf
Thanks! So, I've now seen two showing NO difference whatsoever between HCG and placebo and I haven't seen a any showing that HCG actually does anything for weight loss, except to remove some of that pesky cash people having in their wallets.
I have to say that the only way I have seen that people lose weight, get healthy, lower body fat and get toned up is by hard work! Period. There are no shortcuts to healthy living. I see you must be like 2% bf only joking.....LOVE the muscles
I also know it is from your hard work and dedication that you have achieved your weight loss goals.
All the excuses I have made, and still make (I am too old, my body fat will always include a jelly belly) are bunk. If I choose to eat cleaner still................and exercise harder and longer.........I will lose weight and tone up my muscles.
I have seen the after effects later in life of VLCD...........
Also, I have seen what happens when you have an emergency at almost 50........and they wisk you into surgery because your healthy.
I can tell you this......because I asked the cardiologist.......IF I had been on a VLCD I would NOT have been a canidate for the lesser invasive emergency surgery. He said I would have been in the hospital for another week at least, then re-assessed to see if they could do it. In the meantime I ran a high risk of throwing a clot and having a stroke.
I did not get further into it with the doctor, but needless to say none of us know when or if an emergency situation will occur and I am very thankful my body was in good shape when it did!
Just food for thought......:brokenheart:
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no doubt! ah, and we'll see it here!:grumble::laugh:Why oh why won't these stupid hCG threads ever end. They are like a migraine....annoying and painful. Unless there is well documented research done to prove that this hormone (I'll assume it's a synthetic product) is safe for non-pregnant people then maybe it will be accepted by the medical communtiy. Furthermore, since it is a pregnancy hormone, why is it that women are always trying to lose the baby weight? If it was that wonderful, no woman who gives birth would be over weight.
As long as people believe it and the demand is there, it will continue to exist, unfortunately.
Rest assured though, in a few months, there will be a new fad diet trend that will trump HCG.0 -
I don't care if my post helps anyone or not. I don't stand on a hill looking down on people. And I aint here to make people feel good.0
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btw, you look great! Was looking at your profile photos, you've really worked hard and you look so healthy! The photo you had up of you and your daughter was priceless (she looked just like you, so I assumed that was your daughter?).
Also, I have seen what happens when you have an emergency at almost 50........and they wisk you into surgery because your healthy.
I can tell you this......because I asked the cardiologist.......IF I had been on a VLCD I would NOT have been a canidate for the lesser invasive emergency surgery. He said I would have been in the hospital for another week at least, then re-assessed to see if they could do it. In the meantime I ran a high risk of throwing a clot and having a stroke.
I did not get further into it with the doctor, but needless to say none of us know when or if an emergency situation will occur and I am very thankful my body was in good shape when it did!
Just food for thought......:brokenheart: :drinker:
You're a great example of how MFP can work when you work it!
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well 500 cals isnt enough, and i would rather lose slowly than quick because when u lose quicker if ur like 50-200+ lbs over weight ull end up with saggy skinI know this isn't what a lot of people want to hear - but typically, slow and steady is best! I know it can be frustrating seeing slow weight loss, but think about this: 1 to 2 pounds a week = 52 to 104 pounds lost in a year! It will be so much better in the end to lose the weight through eating habits that you can keep up for the rest of your life. :flowerforyou: Good luck making this transition!0 -
For anyone who cares:
All I know is that I feel GREAT, physically and emotionally, and am losing weight. At 40, I am in the BEST HEALTH OF MY LIFE.
Honestly, I really don't care if HCG has anything to do with it or not. What I am learning is that I can be in control of what I eat, all the way down to 500 calories a day. And I do think that it takes the full 23+ days to drive it home. When I am done, I expect to be able to stop after eating a single bite of some fantastically calorie laden yummy treat instead of an entire serving, which I couldn't do before. I think of it as testing my willpower, and I am finally winning.
You bet America is the fattest nation on the planet. Many Americans have no willpower or sense of responsibility when it comes to their health and fitness. Besides, unhealthy food is cheap, easy, and fast.
I choose to regain control of my health and eating habits.
This fall, you will find me eating 1500-1800 healthy calories a day, running 3 days a week plus whatever other exercise I decide to add, and nibbling here and there on things that taste yummy but can no longer be a staple of my diet.0 -
"Honestly, I really don't care if HCG has anything to do with it or not."
Why don't you try doing the diet without it then? It would be cheaper, and there would be less risk of hormonal side effects.
And now for something completely different...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/business/04unbox.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=habits&st=nyt&oref=slogin
A really interesting article which looks at how we can effectively create new (positive) habits - useful for anyone trying to eat and live right (i.e. all of us).0 -
um okWhat does VLCD stand for? Well, while I'm asking what does hcg stand for as well?
Human chorionic gonadotropin or human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) is a glycoprotein hormone produced in pregnancy that is made by the developing embryo after conception and later by the syncytiotrophoblast (part of the placenta).[1] Its role is to prevent the disintegration of the corpus luteum of the ovary and thereby maintain progesterone production that is critical for a pregnancy in humans.
(Thanks, Wikipedia!!
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One of the 'risks' of HCG is supposedly ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome - here is another article with yet another point of view:
http://www.naturalcycle.org/PDFs/RB2843 Nargund.pdf
Also, many of the studies quoted by HCG naysayers discuss how "the FDA has not approved the use of HCG for weight loss" - however
"To be more precise, there are no clinical trials that support the benefits of hCG hormone in suppressing appetite, burning adipose tissues or decreasing discomfort associated with low calorie diet. " and no clinical trials that prove it doesn't work either. (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/hcg-diet-dangers.html)
Someone posted earlier in the thread that you can find an article anywhere on the web to support your opinion, one way or the other, and I agree that is true.
I have spent less than $31 on HCG other than buying some different (not more expensive - just different) grocery items - so the expense is insignificant. And I am willing to read any study that gives evidence that HCG causes negative hormonal effects.
Why not try it without HCG? Whether or not I believe that the HCG released stored fat or resets the hypothalamus, I believe that taking it helps with hunger, and since it has not been disproven, I am willing to use the HCG in the hopes that it actually does help target stored fat loss rather than lean body tissue loss that may be lost on a VLCD.
Placebo or not, I am pleased with the results. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.0 -
jessiesgirl:
I was just wondering if the 7 lbs you lost stayed off or if they crept back on . . . and how you are doing now that you are (I assume) back to eating more?0 -
First week of Phase 2: Lost 13.2 lbs.0
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I understand wanting to lose weight fast - doesn't everyone want a hot body - YESTERDAY. But, when you lose weight fast like that, don't you run the risk of having lots of extra skin hanging? I always thought that if you lost it slower, your skin has the chance to slowing shrink.0
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Down 22 lbs now I have some sagging in my belly ( I have four kids to so we can at least partially blame them).
I am going to give it a few months then my hubby and I are going for a consult with a surgeon. TMI maybe, but we were looking into a breast lift and will ask him them about the tummy if its still an issue in the fall. I am hoping/wondering what will happen once I get back to running 3 days a week and lifting/weight training once a week. Time will tell.0 -
i guess i don't understand the need to be posting on this thread all of your successes with HCG, if you remember the original post, she was looking for answers outside of HCG. Its just kind of obnoxious to keep posting your weekly updates here...i mean, don't you guys have like 5 other threads to keep filling up the message boards??? ..........just sayin.0
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One of the 'risks' of HCG is supposedly ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome - here is another article with yet another point of view:
http://www.naturalcycle.org/PDFs/RB2843 Nargund.pdf
Also, many of the studies quoted by HCG naysayers discuss how "the FDA has not approved the use of HCG for weight loss" - however
"To be more precise, there are no clinical trials that support the benefits of hCG hormone in suppressing appetite, burning adipose tissues or decreasing discomfort associated with low calorie diet. " and no clinical trials that prove it doesn't work either. (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/hcg-diet-dangers.html)
Someone posted earlier in the thread that you can find an article anywhere on the web to support your opinion, one way or the other, and I agree that is true.
I have spent less than $31 on HCG other than buying some different (not more expensive - just different) grocery items - so the expense is insignificant. And I am willing to read any study that gives evidence that HCG causes negative hormonal effects.
Why not try it without HCG? Whether or not I believe that the HCG released stored fat or resets the hypothalamus, I believe that taking it helps with hunger, and since it has not been disproven, I am willing to use the HCG in the hopes that it actually does help target stored fat loss rather than lean body tissue loss that may be lost on a VLCD.
Placebo or not, I am pleased with the results. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
According to my naturopathic Doctor, you will only damage your metabolism by doing the VLCD without the HCG. The HCG DOES release stored fat and that gets burned essentially as fuel so it is almost the same as eating those calories as your body is using it the same way. That is why it doesn't damage the metabolism.
She also said that MOST women would lose weight during pregnancy if they were eating a sensible diet and didn't take the whole "eating for 2" literally...............I believe that because my sister only gained baby weight with both of her pregnancies and came home from the hospital smaller than she was prior to pregnancy both times............0 -
i guess i don't understand the need to be posting on this thread all of your successes with HCG, if you remember the original post, she was looking for answers outside of HCG. Its just kind of obnoxious to keep posting your weekly updates here...i mean, don't you guys have like 5 other threads to keep filling up the message boards??? ..........just sayin.
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i guess i don't understand the need to be posting on this thread all of your successes with HCG, if you remember the original post, she was looking for answers outside of HCG. Its just kind of obnoxious to keep posting your weekly updates here...i mean, don't you guys have like 5 other threads to keep filling up the message boards??? ..........just sayin.
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I know that I was a little snarky, ok- a lot snarky. But, I truly do feel its rude for people to be flashing their successes in this woman's face in order to prove something. She didn't like the hCG thing, so I just feel out of respect, its not necessary--especially when they do have their hCG threads that they have to update each other. I know we're all free to debate things, but sometimes I wish people would realize the reason for the post and not looking at each post to find some sort of debate. This lady wanted help on how to change her lifestyle after a bad experience with hCG, which is what I had hoped others would do. Not keep promoting the hCG thing to her and "prove" that there is success. I know if I had a bad experience with something and was looking for help, the last thing I would want are people pushing it back on me. I know people have some strong opinions about hCG, myself included, but to keep shoving it in someone's face is kind of disrespectful. And July, I'm not saying you in particular...I'm meaning the hCG crowd in general. I know you guys are passionate about your hCG (because you've probably had success) and thats fine, because its your life. But, I think a level of respect is needed as well for those that have had bad experiences and are looking for a more permanent change. Thats all.0 -
Well after only one week on the hCG diet I am quiting. The food restrictions were manageable but it was making me feel absolutely horrible! Weak and shaky all day with zero energy!! I lost 7 pounds in the first three days of the 500 cal diet but then the 4th & 5th day only lost barely half a pound. So I don't know if the homeopathic hCG just wasn't working and my body was going into starvation mode or what. Either way I think it will just be healthier for my body to do it the old fashioned way counting calories and exercising. If anyone has some good tips to share on loosing as fast as possible that would be great. I get discouraged so easily when I don't see the weight coming off fast. Which is the whole reason why I tried the hCG diet to begin with!
I would love to see you stick with changing your eating and exercise habits so your little one will learn them as they grow. My kids grew up fat because I did not teach them to eat correctly or show them that I exercised! They were all in karate, baseball, football, cheerleading, on and on for THEIR health.......as I sat in the stands scarfing down 2 hot dogs and cokes........holding their happy meals for them.
It is great to lose a few pounds fast............makes us feel like something is happening........but I can tell you from experience, I GOT it! I have been changing my stuff for 2 years and am far from perfect but I GOT it!
My top priority was to get healthy........36 pounds just followed that thought process!
Good luck to you!! :flowerforyou: Jeannie
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She also said that MOST women would lose weight during pregnancy if they were eating a sensible diet and didn't take the whole "eating for 2" literally...............I believe that because my sister only gained baby weight with both of her pregnancies and came home from the hospital smaller than she was prior to pregnancy both times............
I'd like to back July up on this. A coworker of mine is another example of losing weight during pregnancy. She found out during her first pregnancy that she had gestational diabetes so she revamped her diet and began to eat healthy and actually Lost weight. Of course she put weight on during the course of her pregnancy, but it was baby weight.
I'd also like to agree with kicklikeaGIRL. I've been running into SO many threads lately where a poster is asking for help and unintentionally fuels a debate for a bunch of other people to run with. And majority of the time the debate isn't started by what the OP even said, but by someone taking offense to a detail in someone's response. So someone asks for help and then a few people start bickering and the OP is pretty much forgotten, lol.
As for this OP: if you're going to try to lose weight the old fashioned way the thing is to not expect a quick fix. Be sure to get your exercise in, and key is your diet (by diet I mean what you eat, not a program to follow). Watch your sodium, that's a killer. I've heard that drinking green tea is helpful in burning fat (though I'm not a tea drinker). And watch these forums! People are constantly adding new threads or responses about new things they're trying and doing. Pick and choose - find what works for you! And good luck. :flowerforyou:0 -
i guess i don't understand the need to be posting on this thread all of your successes with HCG, if you remember the original post, she was looking for answers outside of HCG. Its just kind of obnoxious to keep posting your weekly updates here...i mean, don't you guys have like 5 other threads to keep filling up the message boards??? ..........just sayin.
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I know that I was a little snarky, ok- a lot snarky. But, I truly do feel its rude for people to be flashing their successes in this woman's face in order to prove something. She didn't like the hCG thing, so I just feel out of respect, its not necessary--especially when they do have their hCG threads that they have to update each other. I know we're all free to debate things, but sometimes I wish people would realize the reason for the post and not looking at each post to find some sort of debate. This lady wanted help on how to change her lifestyle after a bad experience with hCG, which is what I had hoped others would do. Not keep promoting the hCG thing to her and "prove" that there is success. I know if I had a bad experience with something and was looking for help, the last thing I would want are people pushing it back on me. I know people have some strong opinions about hCG, myself included, but to keep shoving it in someone's face is kind of disrespectful. And July, I'm not saying you in particular...I'm meaning the hCG crowd in general. I know you guys are passionate about your hCG (because you've probably had success) and thats fine, because its your life. But, I think a level of respect is needed as well for those that have had bad experiences and are looking for a more permanent change. Thats all.
I am not doing HCG, I am a low carber...............
However, I am researching it because my doctor wants me to do it for 1-3 rounds to reset my Endocrine system and the glands that are made up in the Endocrine system............
She has given me a time frame to get a certain amount of weight off before she forces me to do the HCG thing..........0 -
i guess i don't understand the need to be posting on this thread all of your successes with HCG, if you remember the original post, she was looking for answers outside of HCG. Its just kind of obnoxious to keep posting your weekly updates here...i mean, don't you guys have like 5 other threads to keep filling up the message boards??? ..........just sayin.
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I know that I was a little snarky, ok- a lot snarky. But, I truly do feel its rude for people to be flashing their successes in this woman's face in order to prove something. She didn't like the hCG thing, so I just feel out of respect, its not necessary--especially when they do have their hCG threads that they have to update each other. I know we're all free to debate things, but sometimes I wish people would realize the reason for the post and not looking at each post to find some sort of debate. This lady wanted help on how to change her lifestyle after a bad experience with hCG, which is what I had hoped others would do. Not keep promoting the hCG thing to her and "prove" that there is success. I know if I had a bad experience with something and was looking for help, the last thing I would want are people pushing it back on me. I know people have some strong opinions about hCG, myself included, but to keep shoving it in someone's face is kind of disrespectful. And July, I'm not saying you in particular...I'm meaning the hCG crowd in general. I know you guys are passionate about your hCG (because you've probably had success) and thats fine, because its your life. But, I think a level of respect is needed as well for those that have had bad experiences and are looking for a more permanent change. Thats all.
I am not doing HCG, I am a low carber...............
However, I am researching it because my doctor wants me to do it for 1-3 rounds to reset my Endocrine system and the glands that are made up in the Endocrine system............
She has given me a time frame to get a certain amount of weight off before she forces me to do the HCG thing..........
gotchya, I just didn't want you to think that since I was quoting you that I was meaning you specifically.
i really hope that all goes well for you in trying to lose the weight before she forces the hCG thing on ya. you can do it!! :flowerforyou: I say the natural way is the best way to go
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If you meant me:
I apologize to the OP and anyone who was offended thinking I was 'waving' any success in their face. I have been overweight all my life and would NEVER brag about my success or pick on someone else who was struggling.
I'll stay off your thread.0
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