Why do I need to match my BMR in calories?

I am so confused. I get what the BMR is. Why do I need to eat that amount (about 1700 for me) and why should I be eating my calories back once I've worked out at the gym? Doesn't that defeat the purpose... where is the science in that which allows me to lose weight if I am keeping my calories equal to my BMR? Sorry if this question is ridiculous. I am just confused and honestly want to understand!

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  • FaerieCae
    FaerieCae Posts: 437 Member
    Say your BMR is 1000... thats what you need to function if you do nothing all day. Then you work off 400 calories, now your net is 600..... you need to eat AT LEAST bmr each day, so eat your calories back, otherwise you could damage your body long term. You should net more then BMR if you're exercising, otherwise weight loss will stall.
  • loi89
    loi89 Posts: 1
    It is because your BMR is the amount of calories you need even if you just layed in bed all day. It's the calories your body uses to keep your organs functioning. If you do something other than laying in bed all day you need more calories than your BMR to be able to do these things.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    You are confused, you don't understand what BMR is.

    You sound like you are thinking TDEE. TOTAL DAILY ENERGY EXPENDITURE - that which if you eat it - you neither gain nor lose.
    BMR, what your body would like to burn on ONLY the most basic functions of life, not hair, nail, skin growth, not muscle repair, ect.

    But think if it this way.
    If the deficit that MFP already put in to your daily goal isn't what you think it could be, and it includes NO exercise expected or accounted for, and then you exercise on top of that, and that exercise creates even more deficit, you are therefore saying bigger deficit is better.

    Then I challenge you to take a serious deficit.
    If you think bigger is better - eat nothing and exercise.
    Shoot, eat nothing and don't exercise.

    Ultimate deficit. Should lose very quickly right.

    Have you done any research or diets at all, and the fact that the steeper deficits will burn off muscle mass.
    Your metabolism will go down for that reason alone.
    Never mind the fact your metabolism also goes down just because you are eating too little.

    Now, either you have little to lose and reach goal weight, or you have a lot and never reach it because your metabolism screeched to halt, matching what your eating, so no more loss.

    Either way, you eat more because at goal weight, now that is in excess, and you gain fat. With less muscle mass, you must now eat even less than you ever did.
  • Mustang_Susie
    Mustang_Susie Posts: 7,045 Member
    It is because your BMR is the amount of calories you need even if you just layed in bed all day. It's the calories your body uses to keep your organs functioning. If you do something other than laying in bed all day you need more calories than your BMR to be able to do these things.

    This ^^
  • AbsoluteNG
    AbsoluteNG Posts: 1,079 Member
    It is because your BMR is the amount of calories you need even if you just layed in bed all day. It's the calories your body uses to keep your organs functioning. If you do something other than laying in bed all day you need more calories than your BMR to be able to do these things.

    Exactly! If you don't maintain your BMR consistently, you will die.
  • It is because your BMR is the amount of calories you need even if you just layed in bed all day. It's the calories your body uses to keep your organs functioning. If you do something other than laying in bed all day you need more calories than your BMR to be able to do these things.

    Exactly! If you don't maintain your BMR consistently, you will die.

    I guess in the very, very long term for most people, that may happen. However, there's a good chance that many on this site have enough spare fat to lose that being concerned about death by starvation or malnutrition isn't a very significant worry.

    As someone else noted, the OP appears to be confusing TDEE with BMR. At any rate, can someone point me to peer-reviewed medical research that supports the notion that one MUST eat their BMR to function/live? If you eat below your BMR, you're body will just continue to hack away at fat (and, presumably, lean muscle mass) reserves to get the energy it needs to function . It's not like all of your vital organs shut down immediately if one doesn't consume at his/her BMR. Heck, that's part of the entire reason why humans can store extra body fat and why there are pathways to allow the body to breakdown muscle mass for energy use.

    Again, in the long term, there is a metabolic hit that occurs (see the Minnesota - Key study on this from decades ago). I just haven't seen any research that supports the extreme fear some people seem to have about eating below their BMR. If you happen to be very lean and have very little additional fat, it could be a significant issue. I don't think that characterizes most of the people on this site, however.

    Never eating below one's BMR usually requires that one take a "slow and steady" approach to dieting, which in turn usually requires a longer-lasting lifestyle change. After all, if one wants to crash diet, one can lose weight quickly, although it's much easier to go back to one's old (less healthy) lifestyle since habits can take a long time to change. In this light, the "stay above BMR" is good advice, since it's akin to "don't crash diet".
  • AbsoluteNG
    AbsoluteNG Posts: 1,079 Member
    No, I don't have any peer review papers. All I have is the post below where someone ate 600 calories for two weeks straight. At the very end of his first post, he said that he died. I thought that was mighty kind of him to let us know that he was dead.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121060001&highlight=psmf
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I guess in the very, very long term for most people, that may happen. However, there's a good chance that many on this site have enough spare fat to lose that being concerned about death by starvation or malnutrition isn't a very significant worry.

    As someone else noted, the OP appears to be confusing TDEE with BMR. At any rate, can someone point me to peer-reviewed medical research that supports the notion that one MUST eat their BMR to function/live? If you eat below your BMR, you're body will just continue to hack away at fat (and, presumably, lean muscle mass) reserves to get the energy it needs to function . It's not like all of your vital organs shut down immediately if one doesn't consume at his/her BMR. Heck, that's part of the entire reason why humans can store extra body fat and why there are pathways to allow the body to breakdown muscle mass for energy use.

    Again, in the long term, there is a metabolic hit that occurs (see the Minnesota - Key study on this from decades ago). I just haven't seen any research that supports the extreme fear some people seem to have about eating below their BMR. If you happen to be very lean and have very little additional fat, it could be a significant issue. I don't think that characterizes most of the people on this site, however.

    Never eating below one's BMR usually requires that one take a "slow and steady" approach to dieting, which in turn usually requires a longer-lasting lifestyle change. After all, if one wants to crash diet, one can lose weight quickly, although it's much easier to go back to one's old (less healthy) lifestyle since habits can take a long time to change. In this light, the "stay above BMR" is good advice, since it's akin to "don't crash diet".

    As you point out, there are studies that show the metabolism does slow down without a bunch of stuff being very correct, and even those in the studies have terrible maintenance on continuing their loss or keeping the weight off, when no longer under strict Dr or study care and observation.

    So obviously there is a line in the sand for everyone, and unless you can have some major testing done, you'll never know that exact line.
    Let alone the fact that line can change week to week depending on your other stress, variety of diet being good or bad with more stress on body, exercise getting way to intense and stressful, ect.

    So where do you draw the line in the sand without this ability to be in a constantly monitored study and watched over?

    Take the best things studies have found to maintain muscle mass all by themselves - reasonable deficit, enough protein, resistance training.
    Combined, should mean no loss of muscle mass unless you try really hard.

    And draw that line for reasonable deficit to be based on TDEE, the high end, not BMR, the line in the sand not knowing better details, the low end.

    Of course, as you point out, 1 or 2 days below BMR, not deathly. Shoot, everyone could fine some 24 hr period in the week where they don't consume their BMR calories, the body can adjust.
    And adjust it does seem to do when too steep a deficit is constant.

    But, many on the Spike day diet, where daily you are eating probably a tad below BMR, show they can keep going in weight loss. Then again, there are plenty failing on that program too because their metabolism is already shot, or other stresses in life, are too much.
  • saitiffeh
    saitiffeh Posts: 251 Member
    Thank you so much everyone! I had been reading the FAQ's and what not but you've helped to break it down for me and I greatly appreciate it! I've come to the conclusion that I am not eating enough. I've been honestly struggling to get in 1000 calories a day, I've been going a little overboard. Yes, the weight is falling off like crazy but I understand now that I am not going about this in a healthy manner. So I'm going to slowly increase my calorie intake to wear it ought to be, starting with a nice breakfast of some cereal with bananas :) Thank you so much everyone! I've learned now that if I don't do this properly then not only am I setting myself up for failure once I hit my goal weight, but I could be causing myself serious harm. You people are all great!

    EDIT to add: I found that this link is very useful to, it let me calculate my BMR and broke the information down further for me. http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/