Never eat carbs without protein... another myth?
Francl27
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Ok I read about this. Basically, that if you eat carbs on their own without any protein, you'll be more likely to store fat than to burn it.
Is it just another myth/
Is it just another myth/
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Interesting...never heard of it but am intrigued to hear the answers0
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my mom is a dietician and she advocates this all the time.
the idea is that carbs, really starches, will spike your insulin levels when eaten on an empty stomach. protein will level off your insulin so u wont spike if you eat starch at the same time as the protein.
bc i do enjoy starches on my diet ie multigrain high fiber bread here and there, and multigrain/whole wheat pastas, I always make sure I eat them with a protein and veggie and never alone.
one of my fave treats are chocolate covered raisins, but i only eat a few AFTER I eat my dinner0 -
Fat storage=calories in> calories out.
Fat loss =calories in < calories out.
It's a myth. Fat gain/loss is SIMPLE.0 -
Good explanation by previous poster... the relationship to fat is not significant as the relationship to blood sugar. You can be thin and still have issues processing carbs. My dietician said this was critical when I had gestational diabetes... no carbs without protein, too.0
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/threadFat storage=calories in> calories out.
Fat loss =calories in < calories out.
It's a myth. Fat gain/loss is SIMPLE.0 -
If you are diabetic or have hypoglycemia problems you should avoid it as it spikes and then drops blood sugar levels.
But no, this doesn't make you fat, it just messes with your blood sugar levels.0 -
my mom is a dietician and she advocates this all the time.
the idea is that carbs, really starches, will spike your insulin levels when eaten on an empty stomach. protein will level off your insulin so u wont spike if you eat starch at the same time as the protein.
bc i do enjoy starches on my diet ie multigrain high fiber bread here and there, and multigrain/whole wheat pastas, I always make sure I eat them with a protein and veggie and never alone.
one of my fave treats are chocolate covered raisins, but i only eat a few AFTER I eat my dinner
You are obviously not aware that protein is just as insulinogenic as carbs? (or starches) And that veggies are carbs?0 -
As for storing fat, I call BS.
However,carbs on their own are really easy to eat. I can easily eat a bag of apples and still be hungry for more - despite being uncomfortably stuffed. Helps to eat it with something, like cottage cheese or some kinda nut butter. Or bacon.0 -
Not a myth.
Its kinda the same idea that the Zone diet is based off of. Carbs release insulin from your pancreas which lowers blood sugar by storing them in your cells (if not used stored as fat) while protein release glucagon from your pancreas causing increased blood sugar (releasing stored carbs). If you can balance the two then you prevent the fat storage and go into fat burning!
I know this is very scientific but it is totally something to look into. i hope this helps0 -
As for storing fat, I call BS.
However,carbs on their own are really easy to eat. I can easily eat a bag of apples and still be hungry for more - despite being uncomfortably stuffed. Helps to eat it with something, like cottage cheese or some kinda nut butter. Or bacon.
This. Eating carbs without any protein or fats to go along is like giving my body a carb 'warm-up' before the main carb event that I'll be craving 20 minutes later. Tonight I ate a crap load of broccoli, and still felt hungry around 15 minutes after eating it, so I ate a burrito. And then the fullness hit me like a freight train :sick:0 -
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
After meals, fat is deposited with the help of insulin. However, between meals and during sleep, fat is lost. Fat balance will be zero over a 24-hour period if energy intake matches energy expenditure.0 -
Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.
If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.0 -
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It's fairly challenging to eat carbs without getting some protein in there, with the exception of eating/drinking sugar.
I usually try to have some protein in all of my meals, in order to hit my goals, but if I just sat down and had some rice (still has protein in it) it's not the end of the world.0 -
Hate to break it to you but calories in and out does account for hormonal function and dysfunction, actually everything is accounted for on the out side of the EBE.Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.
If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.0 -
I throw protein at carbs simply for the purpose of slowing down digestion so I'm not craving later. That's all though...not because I think weightloss is better unless you want to take into account I eat less because I dont crave 20min later with added protein..now ya talking weightloss.0
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Hate to break it to you but calories in and out does account for hormonal function and dysfunction, actually everything is accounted for on the out side of the EBE.Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.
If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
how does calories in vs calories out account for anything other than calories?
It just not take into account anything other than the energy value of the food. I think energy in vs energy out would be a better description of weight gain/loss.0 -
I think people like to make eating more complicated than it needs to be.
Eat a balance (carbs/protein) of real foods (veg/meat) and try to ease off the foods from a factory. Follow those general guidelines, and you'll be OK.0 -
For me personally, if I eat just fruit for a snack, I wind up hungry again in short order. Two apples 160 calories and I'm hungry again in short order. One apple and a cheese stick, same 160 calories and I'm not hungry again for quite a while.
This is the only reason I have protein or fat or fiber with my carbohydrates. It only affects my weightloss in as much as I'll be hungry when I don't need the calories or the nutrition and will sabotage my calorie deficit.0 -
Sorry, I'm new here and do not know what EBE stands for? I respectfully disagree with you, dismissing the whole realm of biochemistry into a basic mathematic algorithm doesn't much sense to me. It's a harmful oversimplification but I'll digress.0
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Ok I read about this. Basically, that if you eat carbs on their own without any protein, you'll be more likely to store fat than to burn it.
Is it just another myth/
I would have to say in my own experience, this is definitely the truth. Also, this is what is recommended in the south beach diet. The presence of protein just allows your body to break down carbs slower, which means your insulin is less likely to spike.0 -
Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.
If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
Another good book is Burn the Fat by Tom Venartu (sp?) It is also not a diet book but a guide that focuses on different body types.0 -
I agree with previous poster. We make eating too complicated!0
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Not a myth!! I am a Type 1 diabetic, it is recommended when eating carbs to also consume protein with it to regulate insulin levels to prevent spikes. Another poster explains this very well.0
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Hate to break it to you but calories in and out does account for hormonal function and dysfunction, actually everything is accounted for on the out side of the EBE.Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.
If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
how does calories in vs calories out account for anything other than calories?
It just not take into account anything other than the energy value of the food. I think energy in vs energy out would be a better description of weight gain/loss.
A calorie is a unit of energy. It's not only relating to food, it's just most commonly used in reference to food. It takes other things into account because say you have a hormonal imbalance that makes you use less energy (need less calories if you will), weight loss will still result in eating less than you need. Period.
*Edited because I suck at sentence structure.0 -
As for storing fat, I call BS.
However,carbs on their own are really easy to eat. I can easily eat a bag of apples and still be hungry for more - despite being uncomfortably stuffed. Helps to eat it with something, like cottage cheese or some kinda nut butter. Or bacon.
bacon.... yummmmmmmmmmmm!!0 -
I think it's come from advice intended for people with diabetes or prediabetes, who have to watch the GI value of food (glycaemic index, i.e. how quickly sugar gets into the blood) If you consume high GI carbs with protein, it slows down the rate that the sugar gets into your blood, i.e. it makes them lower GI. The GI values only apply if you eat that food in isolation. So, if you have difficulties with blood sugar and you want a high calorie treat, have it as part of a meal, not as a snack in isolation.
As for advice for a healthy person without these issues... well it's not a good idea to constantly stuff your face with processed sugar (which tends to have a very high GI) and never eat protein, but really.... you can't have any carbs at all without protein....? :huh: better build a time machine and warn all the Homo erectuses that they must always eat meat at the same time as they eat fruit or veg, otherwise Homo sapiens will never evolve.....
Too many people out there trying to peddle fat loss plans, and they all want their little gimmick, their special magic piece of information that "everyone else" doesn't know about, to make it look like they have a secret and make you buy their ebook or whatever they're peddling.0 -
For me personally, if I eat just fruit for a snack, I wind up hungry again in short order. Two apples 160 calories and I'm hungry again in short order. One apple and a cheese stick, same 160 calories and I'm not hungry again for quite a while.
This is the only reason I have protein or fat or fiber with my carbohydrates. It only affects my weightloss in as much as I'll be hungry when I don't need the calories or the nutrition and will sabotage my calorie deficit.
Ditto this. I am an RN in a very busy emergency department. I literally do not sit down unless it is to pee or shove food in my face. If I take 5 minutes to eat just an apple or just some sort of fruit, I'm going to be super hungry again in 20 minutes. If I have that piece of fruit with some cheese, cottage cheese, or nuts, I'm good for at least 2 hours. Regardless of what and what isn't a diet "myth" you have to listen to your body and do what is best for YOU. For every poster here who says it's a myth and can back it up with books and studies, there is an equal number of posters who can say it is not a myth and back it up with books and science. So just do what works for you.0 -
/threadFat storage=calories in> calories out.
Fat loss =calories in < calories out.
It's a myth. Fat gain/loss is SIMPLE.
^ This. Or we're all doing it all wrong. LOL0 -
The word 'never' is the problem. I like to have protein and fat with my carbs, to slow down digestion, lower the blood glucose peak, and keep me feeling full longer.0
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