Are a lot of us miscalculating our TDEE?

This is interesting. I work for the NHS and spend a lot of itme walking around, but not really half the day.

Take a look at this page:

http://theskinnyequation.blogspot.co.uk/p/weight-loss-calculators.html

Now look at their explanation of things:

Activity Level: Choose from the following options.
Sedentary - desk job, mostly typing, minimal movement. 95% of us have this job (and dread it)
Lightly Active - walking around a good amount (about half the day), meetings, socializing
(retail jobs, barista)
Moderately Active - walking/socializing constantly in a fast paced environment (aka waiting tables, delivering mail, etc.)
Very Active - walking and heavy lifting; very labor intensive (construction workers, lumberjacks..this is probably not you)
Extremely Active - professional athlete, dancer, etc. (save this unless you are Lance Armstrong)

Does this mean most of us are in the sedentary category when we think we're in 'light'? I'm starting to think I might be in 'sedentary' in spite of the fact I move around. But the definition of "moving around" is still relative for each person.

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  • broscientist
    broscientist Posts: 102 Member
    I would bet that over half the people here are over estimating there TDEE.


    95% of the people should be setting their activity level to "Sedentary".



    This is an example of the biggest mistake people make:

    Someone is fairly active. He/She will workout 3-5 times a week. So, definitely he/she DOES NOT fit the "sedentary" category. So, they put themselves in the "Lightly or Moderately" active level. So far so good.

    HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
    They do one of their workout and they log it in MFP. All of a sudden, they get to eat an extra 400 or so calories. If you didn't put your activity as "Sedentary" you are DOUBLE DIPPING.

    When you put your activity level as lightly or Moderate, it already accounted for your 3-5 workouts for the week.


    Unless you truly have an active life style without counting your "workout" you need to put "sedentary" as your activity level.
  • Lysander666
    Lysander666 Posts: 275 Member
    Excellent point. I should put my activity level to 'sedentary'.

    I thought this as well. MFP ALREADY accounts for your TDEE, and unless you are sendentary you are overestimating the amount of calories you are burning off.
  • composite
    composite Posts: 138 Member
    Ahhh good already had mine as "Sedentary". :smile:
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,234 Member
    Always had mine at sedentary. I like this calculator http://www.health-calc.com/diet/energy-expenditure-advanced
    it's got a lot more tweakables than most tdee calculators
  • jdhoward_101
    jdhoward_101 Posts: 234 Member
    I've always had mine at sedentary too; better to underestimate than over estimate in my opinion!
  • pennydreadful270
    pennydreadful270 Posts: 266 Member
    I have no illusions. I sit on my chair waiting for a trainee to call me over so I can get an excuse to move about. Sedentary.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    and then there are people who work out three hours a day and set their activity level to sedentary and don't eat back exercise calories. that's pretty common here as well.

    the most important thing is to be honest and accurate about your activity level. It should take into account everything you do for the whole 24 hrs, so someone with an active job where they're lifting things and/or on their feet all day will have a higher activity factor than someone who's at a computer all day. And how often you work out does count, but not as much as some calorie calculators would put you at, e.g. if you work out for 30 mins 5x a week and sit at a computer all day, selecting the category "working out 5x a week" will probably overestimate your TDEE.

    Additionally, using the TDEE - x% method, you *must* observe real world results and adjust your calories based on them, if you overestimate your TDEE and don't lose (give it 3 weeks at least first though), maybe try again with a lower activity factor, or subtract 200 calories and try again. Similarly if you underestimate it and you're hungry all the time, adjust your calories upwards as necessary.

    If you're doing TDEE - x%, then you don't eat back exercise calories because they're already counted in the TDEE number.

    If you're doing the MFP default method, then you must eat back most of your exercise calories. (around 80% is probably good as the MFP database tends to overestimate calorie burns)
  • bobf279
    bobf279 Posts: 342 Member
    I am already set to sedentary and add my exercise calories to the 1200 allocated by MFP, I eat them too. Incidentally I have calculated my TDEE based on exercising 6/7 days and after deducting 20% I know I have around 2200 to eat.
  • xampx
    xampx Posts: 323 Member
    I set mine at sedentary so my TDEE is about 1950. I am currently eating at my BMR which is about 1650 calories, and any extra ones I 'earn' from proper exercise. I eat most of them back, but not always all.

    I only log proper exercise, but at times during the day I can be quite active, running up and down lots of stairs at work, moving heavy stuff around. I don't eat those calories back because I see them as a buffer for the inacuracies of these online calculators and the inacuracies of calorie counts.
  • prattiger65
    prattiger65 Posts: 1,657 Member
    Over time you calculate your TDEE pretty darn close. I take my total caloric intake for a rolling 90 day period, how much fat I have lost, then do the math. If you have lost 4 pounds per month, that is a 14000 calorie deficit. Total intake minus 14000 equals TDEE.
  • sarahmcp3
    sarahmcp3 Posts: 31 Member
    I made mine lightly active, I work out usually 3-5 times a week for 30mins to an hour. Then I started a new job at a convenience store and I was light headed and hungry all the time. Then I realized I'm still working out 3-5 times a week and I have a job where I am constantly moving, bending, stocking heavy gallon jugs. If I put my TDEE as moderately active it bumps up my daily allowance 100 calories. That's not going to break my weight loss and I'm pretty sure I burn at least 100 a day at my job any given day, and if I can sneak another egg, or cottage cheese or something into my lunch I'm not going to be sick and starving at my job. Everyone wins.

    Oh, and my BMR is about 1300 and my TDEE at moderately active is 1400.
  • babydiego87
    babydiego87 Posts: 905 Member
    I sit at reception for a job so yes, I am def sedentary.
  • Vailara
    Vailara Posts: 2,467 Member
    That calculator doesn't calculate your TDEE. It says to enter your activity level without exercise, then calculate your exercise separately. That's similar to the MFP system.

    Using that kind of calculation, Person A who has a desk job and workouts for 7 hours a week would be sedentary. Person B in a retail job who doesn't do any exercise would be lightly active. Person B would have more calories to start with, using this system. But when the exercise calories are added in they would have less.

    That's different to the calculators which are working out your TDEE (i.e. your TOTAL daily expenditure). Obviously Person A would NOT be remotely sedentary according to one of those calculators.

    To be honest, I think the problem is with the calculator calling itself a "TDEE" calculator.

    Having said all that, I have a similar situation - I have a job which is mostly sitting, but not for the full day. I don't think it takes me up to the next category - I'm more of a "sedentary plus" than a lightly active :laugh: . There are so many other variables as well according to how active you are in general (walking up and down stairs a lot at home, housework, etc. - varies from person to person). If I was using the MFP system I would still put myself down as sedentary because I think that's the closest, but if I wanted I could try out "lightly active" and just measure how fast I lost weight. I think it can involve a bit of trial and error, however you do it. If you're losing weight at the expected rate at "lightly active" then you've got it right.
  • Until recently (when I got my fitbit), I figured I was sedentary as well. But then, once I got the Fitbit I discovered I was moving a lot more than I thought. Yes, I have a desk job, but I do a lot of walking around too (the bathroom's on the other side of the floor, for one thing) and I do a lot of zipping from place to place. Without going too much out of my way to add in extra steps, I was already hitting between 7 & 8000 a day. With conscientious effort, I'm closer to 9k a day. I start my day (per FitBit's calculator) with about 1200 calories. As I move more throughout the day that gradually bumps up closer to 2100. I try to stay around 1800 (my BMR is between 1836 (WHO's formula) and 1949 (another of the formuals). I lose consistently between 1.5 & 2.0 pounds a week.

    So...this works for me. :)
  • Mock_Turtle
    Mock_Turtle Posts: 354 Member
    If I take back data from the past 6 months and factor in weight loss, then my 'coefficient' back-calculates to 1.50 which is close to the 'moderate exercise'

    For frame of reference - I work a desk job, most weeks I workout 6 times, 3 times weights and 3 times 10 km runs. On weekends I will walk around the city, but during the week I'm pretty much locked to my desk
  • EmmaKarney
    EmmaKarney Posts: 690 Member
    I use sedentary and eat my exercise calories back.

    I tried using TDEE - 15% but it was giving me 200 calories extra per day (so 1400 a week) and I know that I definitely DON'T burn 1400 calories a week in the gym.
  • mazdauk
    mazdauk Posts: 1,380 Member
    I was set at 1200, I upped to 1400 and eat back my exercise calories - we'll see what happens! I just know if I don't HAVE to log exercise it gives me a chnace to skip it.
  • SleeplessinBerlin
    SleeplessinBerlin Posts: 513 Member
    bump...

    will read later.
  • c2111
    c2111 Posts: 693 Member
    Thanks for sharing the site, I calculated mine and it turned out to be the same as what MFP came up with, I have mine set as sedentary with 1/2 pound a week weight loss it works fine for me, I work out for 30 mins everyday and eat back my 1/2 my cal burn as I don't have a HRM and unsure on the estimates from site. So far so good.
  • kbeech06
    kbeech06 Posts: 328 Member
    Mine is already set at sedentary. :tongue:
  • marshallexi
    marshallexi Posts: 162 Member
    I like this calculator, it's very simple.

    It's got my BMR at 1318 and my TDEE (desk job) as 1581.

    I walk for my commute to and from work every day (6.5 - 8 km) so I set my calories at around 1850 to cover that.

    If I do a run during the week I try to eat back those calories, but rarely eat them all.

    I'd say my numbers are pretty bang on right now.
  • debrag12
    debrag12 Posts: 1,071 Member
    I work on a ward but do long days (8am-8:30pm or 8pm-8:30am) so on average 3 days/nights a week. I am on my feet most of the time on days, if I'm not specially someone or monitoring someone, but on nights I'm sat down most of the time.

    I am currently doing TDEE-20% using the scobby workshop calculator. With that my TDEE is around 100 calories more than the OPs calculator, the same with my BMR. I use light activity, is this correct for me?
  • EmmaKarney
    EmmaKarney Posts: 690 Member
    I work on a ward but do long days (8am-8:30pm or 8pm-8:30am) so on average 3 days/nights a week. I am on my feet most of the time on days, if I'm not specially someone or monitoring someone, but on nights I'm sat down most of the time.

    I am currently doing TDEE-20% using the scobby workshop calculator. With that my TDEE is around 100 calories more than the OPs calculator, the same with my BMR. I use light activity, is this correct for me?

    The calculators are only starting points.

    If you do one plan for a month or so and are losing weight at a pace that fits with your goals, then it's correct for you!
  • savithny
    savithny Posts: 1,200 Member
    I think a lot of people are. Even people who exercise, if they have a desk job and they don't do anything around the house at home except watch TV or play on the computer.

    I've got a desk job, and I've got a small house that doesn't take much effort to move around in. When I got my pedometer working again, I found that unless I make a concerted effort, I'm not moving my step count from the sedentary range to the lightly active range. And adding an exercise class a few evenings a week? Wouldn't be enough either!

    Its even very possible to engage in formal exercise several times a week and still be, realistically, sedentary.
  • xprplstardust
    xprplstardust Posts: 105 Member
    I use the TDEE method, I work out a minimum of 1 hour a day 5 or 6 days a week. I'm currently doing insanity, plus I walk 4 miles daily (weather permitting) & use my elliptical for about 10 or 15 min in the morning before leaving for work. I have a (dreaded) desk job, but because I work out so much, I have my activity level set to Moderate Activity (3-5 hrs a week of moderate exercise) altho I'm sure it could be higher but I don't want to overcompensate. I manually overrided the MFP calculations & I log my time spent exercising but I change the calories burnt to 1 & I don't eat back anything since the TDEE method already accounts for my exercise. I am currently eating 1700 calories, 5'6, 125 pounds, I am looking to wittle my waist & hips down while gaining muscle mass & am not worried about the number on the scale. I want to look better in my bikini with a flat stomach & abs, muscles, etc.
  • dulinh
    dulinh Posts: 99 Member
    I have always wondered about that... thanks for posting.
  • drewshottgirl
    drewshottgirl Posts: 9 Member
    My TDEE -20% is 2,194, high activity. I do Insanity 6 days/week along with other activities. I manually set MFP cal goal to 1500. I can log my exercise, eat it back. That usually totals 2100 calories, net of 1,500. I still feel I have enough energy for all I need to do.
  • Mouse_Potato
    Mouse_Potato Posts: 1,512 Member
    That website has my TDEE at 1530, but my BodyMedia says it's more like 2000-2200. I think I'll just keep eating my 1800 or so. :flowerforyou:
  • bigdgeek
    bigdgeek Posts: 88
    I put my activity level at 'sedentary' because I have a desk job, but the amount it has for me at sedentary is 1340. My RMR, which I had tested at the Cooper Institute in Dallas, is 1340! I know I'm burning more calories than just my RMR and my workouts, right? I thought RMR was the bare minimum for what you needed to stay alive if you were lying in bed all day.

    I've looked at various calculators and they put my TDEE anywhere from 1890 to 2250 plugging in the same activities for a 126 lb 37 year-old female.

    Confused...