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I have over 24% body fat, and yet, I do not have regular menses.0
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I believe the accepted minimum for regular menstruation is 12%, not 24.
Although recommendations are to be at at least 18% when trying to conceive.
i doubt anyone would be regular with 12% bf....there has to be disruption! but it could be a caloric thing. who knows (answer:not i)
it is 12% and a lot of semi professional female athletes have that body fat. 24% would be waayyy too much. like im sure 24% would be considered over weigh
most people with eating disorders will eat less than 1200 calories, a lot quite a lot less than that.
Keeping track of what goes into your body isnt disordered at all. Its kinda the same with you wouldnt buy something without seeing it first right?
Uh, did you just say 24% body fat is "overweight"?? Cuz if you did, you are really misinformed.
It is for a gymnast. Severly overweight.0 -
So, I was at a training on eating disorders today and learned quite a few interesting things.
As I have been familiar with mfp, and followed the whole community train of thought of what to do and what not to do, and watched individuals goals.
I realize that most of it would be considered disordered! Their case study showed the meal plan of what the client was eating daily, and I absolutely think that most people here at way less than that!
Also, I remember reading many female goals for their body fat to be well under 20%, yet supposedly you need 24% body fat to have regular normal menstruation.
It was just some food for thought, not to rely on mfp or its participants for all your info, insight, and motivation.
My sisters both have low body fat as did my mom when she had me and they all had/ have regular periods. I think it is based on having enough calories to maintain.
Sister 5'10'' 125- she had two healthy babies at a low weight
Sister 2 5'4'' 115
Mom 5'4'' 115 when she had me
I don't mean to be rude but 115 at 5'4 isnt a very low weight, I'm 113 and 5'5 and I weighed less before I had my children0 -
Interesting responses!0
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So, I was at a training on eating disorders today and learned quite a few interesting things.
As I have been familiar with mfp, and followed the whole community train of thought of what to do and what not to do, and watched individuals goals.
I realize that most of it would be considered disordered! Their case study showed the meal plan of what the client was eating daily, and I absolutely think that most people here at way less than that!
Also, I remember reading many female goals for their body fat to be well under 20%, yet supposedly you need 24% body fat to have regular normal menstruation.
It was just some food for thought, not to rely on mfp or its participants for all your info, insight, and motivation.
My sisters both have low body fat as did my mom when she had me and they all had/ have regular periods. I think it is based on having enough calories to maintain.
Sister 5'10'' 125- she had two healthy babies at a low weight
Sister 2 5'4'' 115
Mom 5'4'' 115 when she had me
I don't mean to be rude but 115 at 5'4 isnt a very low weight, I'm 113 and 5'5 and I weighed less before I had my children
WOW!!!! this may be me being "blonde" but is that how much they weighed at 9 months pregnan???!!! Wowowowow. I wish I was that weight now and I'm not preggers! lol0 -
Thank you!! 24% and under is considered healthy for women! at 5'9" and 152 lbs I have 23.9% bf. I may not be happy with my current shape but I am by no standard considered overweight! Check your sources please, this thread doesn't need any more open worm cans.
In fact some sources suggest that BMI levels considered to be within the "healthy" range START at 24.6% bf while below it is reserved for "underweight" classification or exceptions for athletes. This is a good one:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/3/594.full0 -
So, I was at a training on eating disorders today and learned quite a few interesting things.
As I have been familiar with mfp, and followed the whole community train of thought of what to do and what not to do, and watched individuals goals.
I realize that most of it would be considered disordered! Their case study showed the meal plan of what the client was eating daily, and I absolutely think that most people here at way less than that!
Also, I remember reading many female goals for their body fat to be well under 20%, yet supposedly you need 24% body fat to have regular normal menstruation.
It was just some food for thought, not to rely on mfp or its participants for all your info, insight, and motivation.
My sisters both have low body fat as did my mom when she had me and they all had/ have regular periods. I think it is based on having enough calories to maintain.
Sister 5'10'' 125- she had two healthy babies at a low weight
Sister 2 5'4'' 115
Mom 5'4'' 115 when she had me
I don't mean to be rude but 115 at 5'4 isnt a very low weight, I'm 113 and 5'5 and I weighed less before I had my children
WOW!!!! this may be me being "blonde" but is that how much they weighed at 9 months pregnan???!!! Wowowowow. I wish I was that weight now and I'm not preggers! lol
If they weighed that much at 9months pregnant that is actually very low but I don't think thats what she meant, she was saying they were 5'4 and 115lbs and still getting menses, I was simply stating that 115lbs at 5'4 is a normal healthy weight so why wouldn't they get them.0 -
I believe the accepted minimum for regular menstruation is 12%, not 24.
Although recommendations are to be at at least 18% when trying to conceive.
i doubt anyone would be regular with 12% bf....there has to be disruption! but it could be a caloric thing. who knows (answer:not i)
it is 12% and a lot of semi professional female athletes have that body fat. 24% would be waayyy too much. like im sure 24% would be considered over weigh
most people with eating disorders will eat less than 1200 calories, a lot quite a lot less than that.
Keeping track of what goes into your body isnt disordered at all. Its kinda the same with you wouldnt buy something without seeing it first right?
Uh, did you just say 24% body fat is "overweight"?? Cuz if you did, you are really misinformed.
It is for a gymnast. Severly overweight.
Furthermore, subjective evidence such as competition-based suggestions do not qualify as general distinctions for what is "overweight". You could also say that the average female bodybuilder is 12-14% at competition form. This, while not incorrect, does not provide a standard of "healthy" for the general public.0 -
OK, this whole eating disorder thing. I'm not sure why I'm bothering to type this because I know it'll upset me and I know it'll probably be either ignored/misconstrued.
- You don't need to be skinny to have anorexia. You can still have anorexia without being within the category, it's just not formally diagnosed in some cases. In fact, I know a girl who was over 200lbs who had anorexia, and ended up being 140lbs at 5ft 11. She existed on 300 calories a day and exercised for three hours. Her BMI, in which case, would be 19.2 - clinically healthy. Was she healthy? No, she was desperately ill, lost her periods and could barely function.
- Disordered eating comes in all forms - overeating, binging/purging, restrictive eating. An eating disorder, in my eyes, shouldn't be classified as a set of weights but rather a set of behaviour. If someone is binging on 3000 calories a day and purging four times - that's bulimia. I don't give a toss whether that person is 100lbs or 200lbs. It's an eating disorder.
- We are all DIFFERENT. If I weighed 120lbs, my lowest weight within my BMI scale, I would look skeletal. Another girl of my weight and height would look different. And another, different still. We can all shove ourselves in these categories of body fat, BMI, calorie counts but at the end of the day, we have to do what works for us - and when I say work for us, I mean in a HEALTHY and RESPONSIBLE way.
- Eating disorders on MFP. They exist. They always will - it's a free website/app that allows people to track their calories on the move. When I had disordered eating in my teens, this website would have been perfectly destructive for me. I have had friend requests from people who insist on eating under 1000 calories NET a day and boast about their exploits - skipping meals and eating chocolate bars, then complaining of no losses. I'm not going to judge them - I've been there and seen it all. I've done what they are doing. I try and help best I can, but ultimately, the decision is individual. If you want to starve yourself for maximum results (even though you really end up with minimal) - I can't stop you - you'll do it anyway until it doesn't work.
(My periods stopped in my teens at a body fat of around 25% and weight of 10 stone, which is near maximum for my height)0 -
I wouldn't go by any case study claiming that 24% is essential for menses. Furthermore, disruption of LH pulsatility and ovarian function has more to do with insufficient energy availability (net calories) than amount of body fat. Think of it as the chicken vs the egg whereby insufficient energy availability comes first.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/88/1/297.full0 -
I used to have an eating disorder and I actually use MFP to keep myself on track. 2 and a half years without it now!
Same here. Also, I didn't menstruate for well over a year and believe you me my body fat percentage was WAYYYY over 24%. You can have an ED and still be fat.0 -
I believe the accepted minimum for regular menstruation is 12%, not 24.
Although recommendations are to be at at least 18% when trying to conceive.
I am going to agree here. 24% is on the higher end. 12-14% for healthy menstration. 26% body fat is overweight. Not sure about your training. I would double check those numbers.0 -
I have 16% body fat, and my period is more regular NOW than it was when I was heavy. Go figure...0
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If a person's BMI is above 17.5 they're not anorexic. They can have EDNOS though. But someone can still have a BMI below 17.5 and not be anorexic.OK, this whole eating disorder thing. I'm not sure why I'm bothering to type this because I know it'll upset me and I know it'll probably be either ignored/misconstrued.
- You don't need to be skinny to have anorexia. You can still have anorexia without being within the category, it's just not formally diagnosed in some cases. In fact, I know a girl who was over 200lbs who had anorexia, and ended up being 140lbs at 5ft 11. She existed on 300 calories a day and exercised for three hours. Her BMI, in which case, would be 19.2 - clinically healthy. Was she healthy? No, she was desperately ill, lost her periods and could barely function.
- Disordered eating comes in all forms - overeating, binging/purging, restrictive eating. An eating disorder, in my eyes, shouldn't be classified as a set of weights but rather a set of behaviour. If someone is binging on 3000 calories a day and purging four times - that's bulimia. I don't give a toss whether that person is 100lbs or 200lbs. It's an eating disorder.
- We are all DIFFERENT. If I weighed 120lbs, my lowest weight within my BMI scale, I would look skeletal. Another girl of my weight and height would look different. And another, different still. We can all shove ourselves in these categories of body fat, BMI, calorie counts but at the end of the day, we have to do what works for us - and when I say work for us, I mean in a HEALTHY and RESPONSIBLE way.
- Eating disorders on MFP. They exist. They always will - it's a free website/app that allows people to track their calories on the move. When I had disordered eating in my teens, this website would have been perfectly destructive for me. I have had friend requests from people who insist on eating under 1000 calories NET a day and boast about their exploits - skipping meals and eating chocolate bars, then complaining of no losses. I'm not going to judge them - I've been there and seen it all. I've done what they are doing. I try and help best I can, but ultimately, the decision is individual. If you want to starve yourself for maximum results (even though you really end up with minimal) - I can't stop you - you'll do it anyway until it doesn't work.
(My periods stopped in my teens at a body fat of around 25% and weight of 10 stone, which is near maximum for my height)0 -
i'm actually recovering from anorectobulimia and i agree, alot of the behaviors on here seem very disordered. any diet will resemble that though.0
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I have a pretty low bodyfat % (but not ultra low, as I prefer it not to be too low). And I eat around 2000+ calories a day (usually in the range of what is recommended for an athlete that trains two times a day at my size). Perhaps a lot of people on here under-eat, but not everyone does. Although I eat in order to maintain and to prevent weight loss (I don't want to lose weight).0
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I'm a bit concerned by all the posts stating 26% as being overweight for women. It's in the "acceptable healthy" range - 25-31%. 21-24% and listed as "fitness" and 14-20% "athletes" … it lists essential body fat as being 10-12% (so below that is when we would expect to see problems?)
26% is "obese" or "unhealthy" for men … but it's very different for women. It also varies with age, this is for 18-39 years old.0 -
If a person's BMI is above 17.5 they're not anorexic. They can have EDNOS though. But someone can still have a BMI below 17.5 and not be anorexic.OK, this whole eating disorder thing. I'm not sure why I'm bothering to type this because I know it'll upset me and I know it'll probably be either ignored/misconstrued.
- You don't need to be skinny to have anorexia. You can still have anorexia without being within the category, it's just not formally diagnosed in some cases. In fact, I know a girl who was over 200lbs who had anorexia, and ended up being 140lbs at 5ft 11. She existed on 300 calories a day and exercised for three hours. Her BMI, in which case, would be 19.2 - clinically healthy. Was she healthy? No, she was desperately ill, lost her periods and could barely function.
- Disordered eating comes in all forms - overeating, binging/purging, restrictive eating. An eating disorder, in my eyes, shouldn't be classified as a set of weights but rather a set of behaviour. If someone is binging on 3000 calories a day and purging four times - that's bulimia. I don't give a toss whether that person is 100lbs or 200lbs. It's an eating disorder.
- We are all DIFFERENT. If I weighed 120lbs, my lowest weight within my BMI scale, I would look skeletal. Another girl of my weight and height would look different. And another, different still. We can all shove ourselves in these categories of body fat, BMI, calorie counts but at the end of the day, we have to do what works for us - and when I say work for us, I mean in a HEALTHY and RESPONSIBLE way.
- Eating disorders on MFP. They exist. They always will - it's a free website/app that allows people to track their calories on the move. When I had disordered eating in my teens, this website would have been perfectly destructive for me. I have had friend requests from people who insist on eating under 1000 calories NET a day and boast about their exploits - skipping meals and eating chocolate bars, then complaining of no losses. I'm not going to judge them - I've been there and seen it all. I've done what they are doing. I try and help best I can, but ultimately, the decision is individual. If you want to starve yourself for maximum results (even though you really end up with minimal) - I can't stop you - you'll do it anyway until it doesn't work.
(My periods stopped in my teens at a body fat of around 25% and weight of 10 stone, which is near maximum for my height)
this.
to other posters: i was just kinda musing about my experiences here and what a clinical team has to say that works with eating disorders. i am fairly familiar with the dsm iv, but i suppose all the info being shared on here is a good starting point for others.0 -
Its such a danger because it is a mental disorder! You can be considered medically over weight and still die as a result of an eating disorder!
My BMI is 20 something with is normal if I were to relapse I wouldnt be able to seek help on the NHS becuase I'm not under weight!0 -
This is a really interesting thread :flowerforyou:0
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I lost my ability to have aperiod with a body fat % of 21%. It took nesrly 2 years to return even after I increased mt bodya fat. Everyone is different though so this will vary dependant on your body type.
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Missybct I agree with everything you say !!!
OK, this whole eating disorder thing. I'm not sure why I'm bothering to type this because I know it'll upset me and I know it'll probably be either ignored/misconstrued.
- You don't need to be skinny to have anorexia. You can still have anorexia without being within the category, it's just not formally diagnosed in some cases. In fact, I know a girl who was over 200lbs who had anorexia, and ended up being 140lbs at 5ft 11. She existed on 300 calories a day and exercised for three hours. Her BMI, in which case, would be 19.2 - clinically healthy. Was she healthy? No, she was desperately ill, lost her periods and could barely function.
- Disordered eating comes in all forms - overeating, binging/purging, restrictive eating. An eating disorder, in my eyes, shouldn't be classified as a set of weights but rather a set of behaviour. If someone is binging on 3000 calories a day and purging four times - that's bulimia. I don't give a toss whether that person is 100lbs or 200lbs. It's an eating disorder.
- We are all DIFFERENT. If I weighed 120lbs, my lowest weight within my BMI scale, I would look skeletal. Another girl of my weight and height would look different. And another, different still. We can all shove ourselves in these categories of body fat, BMI, calorie counts but at the end of the day, we have to do what works for us - and when I say work for us, I mean in a HEALTHY and RESPONSIBLE way.
- Eating disorders on MFP. They exist. They always will - it's a free website/app that allows people to track their calories on the move. When I had disordered eating in my teens, this website would have been perfectly destructive for me. I have had friend requests from people who insist on eating under 1000 calories NET a day and boast about their exploits - skipping meals and eating chocolate bars, then complaining of no losses. I'm not going to judge them - I've been there and seen it all. I've done what they are doing. I try and help best I can, but ultimately, the decision is individual. If you want to starve yourself for maximum results (even though you really end up with minimal) - I can't stop you - you'll do it anyway until it doesn't work.
(My periods stopped in my teens at a body fat of around 25% and weight of 10 stone, which is near maximum for my height)0 -
I'm not particularly an expert on the subject, but I do have experiences with both disordered eating rituals and more healthy ones.
1) You say that people here eat about 1200 calories a day. I can't necessarily speak for myself here, but I've looked through others' logs, and I see that they're usually eating a bit more. Lowest I've ever seen someone else eat on here was 1400. Can't remember the highest...
2) You bring up the whole cheesecake thing and how they don't want to eat it because it'll "make them fat" and whatnot. I can't say anything about this website since I spend most of my time with the Tumblr fitness bloggers, but at least on there, they say that it's alright to "treat yourself" and things of the sort. And note that there's a difference between "I'm watching my cholesterol," and not even looking at the cake, afraid that you'll absorb its calories and "get fat".
3) Can't say a thing on the menstruation thing since it's not my field.
4) Last but not least, the whole binging=/=overeating thing. Actually, it's not a very extensive topic to cover here, so this ought to be short: Categorizing your overeating episodes as "binging" is probably rather normal. And hey, though it's not a professionally diagnosed "binge", it may be considered excessive overeating for /them/. When I was dealing with bouts of what I described to be my own personal binges, it had me eating about 900-1200 calories more, at the most. Others may scoff at that number. But that doesn't mean I wasn't binging, right? I just wasn't binging as much as them.
TLDR; There's a huge difference between people with EDs and health junkies0 -
Its such a danger because it is a mental disorder! You can be considered medically over weight and still die as a result of an eating disorder!
My BMI is 20 something with is normal if I were to relapse I wouldnt be able to seek help on the NHS becuase I'm not under weight!
not true at all. You can get help through the NHS no matter your weight.0 -
As far as I'm concerned, the sooner this "BMI" diagnosis for anorexia is abolished, the better. When you think of someone who is anorexic, you think of someone desperately thin and refusing food. The reality is that, as well as many, many other people who do not present the "typical" characteristics of someone you'd assume was anorexic. It works both ways - someone naturally thin could be desperately trying to put weight ON. So, in reality, it's just a set of parameters designed to classify something that is really, a mental disorder and the physical illness comes as a consequence.
Personally, because my BMI was in the "normal" category, despite the fact my periods stopped, my hair fell out and grew on my back to keep me warm, I was constantly cold, my bones jutted out and I was eating 300 calories a day. I was referred to a specialist who told me what to eat (which I already knew) and when to eat (likewise) - and that was that. My "disorder" was never addressed because, guess what, I wasn't in the BMI parameters.
A year later, I was so ill I had to virtually quit school. Sleeping constantly, too sick to eat, blood tests done and nothing was wrong apart from the fact I had completely wrecked my body through ANOREXIA. Or disordered eating. Had I received the help that is available to those who are diagnosed with ANOREXIA based on BMI, I may not have the fertility problems I have now. I may not have the absolutely ****e metabolism I have now. I may not have an incredibly unhealthy relationship with food that led me to nearly 300lbs in weight.
All because, clinically - I wasn't anorexic. I can assure you that in my mind, in my behaviour, in my illness - I was anorexic. I never intended to be, and was desperate NOT to be.0 -
Its such a danger because it is a mental disorder! You can be considered medically over weight and still die as a result of an eating disorder!
My BMI is 20 something with is normal if I were to relapse I wouldnt be able to seek help on the NHS becuase I'm not under weight!
not true at all. You can get help through the NHS no matter your weight.
The help that is available is VERY limited to those that do not fall within the clinical classification, BMI. You may get a few appointments with a specialist but very little else.0 -
I hate the way that ppl are realised to have an eating disorder because it is only decided you have an eating disorder when you for some it is far to late.
ppl have an eating disorder as soon as food and eating becomes an obsession.
from my own personal experience I would say i had an eating disorder 16 years ago when i was eating 2 slices of bread with lettice in them for lunch and dinner and realised to loose weight even quicker i cut down to one slice of bread with lettuce. I lost 7ls in one week and also found i was 5 months pregnant which of cause worried me greatly as to weather i had harmed my baby but explained my fainting spells i had had.
When i was weighed and told the dr how much i had lost in just that week he didn't seem to be bothered because i was still in my BMI and not under weight so as far as he was concerned i didn't have a problem.The mental side of how i see food has changed alot since then but even the last time i lost weight i would see magazines with the stupid fad diets on the from of loose 7lbs in a week etc and i would think oooo I could try that,but then i would shake myself out of it,well try to get it out of my mind but it would be there for a long time in the back.
So simply from my my own experience i think they do not think many ppl have a problem till it is too late and they need to help lots of ppl earlier before they reach the no return stage as this is what it is for some.
If it wasn't for my baby i hate to think what would of happened to me as i would of carried on.0 -
Again, this would be EDNOS.As far as I'm concerned, the sooner this "BMI" diagnosis for anorexia is abolished, the better. When you think of someone who is anorexic, you think of someone desperately thin and refusing food. The reality is that, as well as many, many other people who do not present the "typical" characteristics of someone you'd assume was anorexic. It works both ways - someone naturally thin could be desperately trying to put weight ON. So, in reality, it's just a set of parameters designed to classify something that is really, a mental disorder and the physical illness comes as a consequence.
Personally, because my BMI was in the "normal" category, despite the fact my periods stopped, my hair fell out and grew on my back to keep me warm, I was constantly cold, my bones jutted out and I was eating 300 calories a day. I was referred to a specialist who told me what to eat (which I already knew) and when to eat (likewise) - and that was that. My "disorder" was never addressed because, guess what, I wasn't in the BMI parameters.
A year later, I was so ill I had to virtually quit school. Sleeping constantly, too sick to eat, blood tests done and nothing was wrong apart from the fact I had completely wrecked my body through ANOREXIA. Or disordered eating. Had I received the help that is available to those who are diagnosed with ANOREXIA based on BMI, I may not have the fertility problems I have now. I may not have the absolutely ****e metabolism I have now. I may not have an incredibly unhealthy relationship with food that led me to nearly 300lbs in weight.
All because, clinically - I wasn't anorexic. I can assure you that in my mind, in my behaviour, in my illness - I was anorexic. I never intended to be, and was desperate NOT to be.0
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