Ladies: Fear of heavy/progressive lifting. Your experience?
Josalinn
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There have been a lot of threads about heavy lifting for women and I want to start (June 1st, after finals and I've had time to work out an eating plan and schedule).
So here are my 2 fears:
1) my calves getting bigger.
Before you go on about the bulking thing, I am not concerned about that or about looking manly. I was reading this ebook about 5x5 lifting, http://www.lundswingtsun.se/pdfwce/stronglifts5x5.pdf, and at one point he says:
"Focus on Fat Loss. Not weight loss. Get a fat caliper and track your body fat every 2 weeks. 3% fat loss/month is do-able. Take also pictures every 2 weeks to track progress. Measure waist/neck/thighs/arms/chest every 2 weeks too to check progress there (everything will go up, except waist which will go down)."
I don't know if at this point he was talking to everyone or just men, but I don't see how gender would really make a difference, because while women don't have as much testosterone to build huge muscles, I assume that the muscles will get bigger for ladies too. I don't want my calves to get bigger as they are already 16" at their widest. I don't care about the other measurements, well I'll be sad when my ladies decrease a bit, but that can't be helped.:ohwell:
I want to wear cute knee-high black leather boots, darn it! :mad: I have never been able to. All the shafts of the boots I like are 14".
So what were your measurements ladies, before and current? (don't want to say after because that implies you are finished )
2) the barbell machines and actually using them
I am timid at the gym and super self-conscious, and I can't afford a personal trainer. How did you start your weight lifting experience? Did you dive in and wade through the guys? Wait till less people were around? How did you learn to use the machines? Also did you work up to it by starting on the other machines first?
I'm debating about finding out from the front desk when there are the fewest people in the weightlifting area.
And I can't do a chin-up, let alone a pull-up. Have any of you used resistance bands to assist you?
Also, I know a lot of people advocate more weights less cardio, but I love my Zumba classes and swimming (poorly), so I plan on sticking with them.
So far I haven't seen any posts about the actual first steps of weightlifting at the gym, just to go do it. I need to hear some of your stories to help build confidence.
Question for both genders: If a woman asked for a spot, would you assist?
I put a lot of pressure on myself to do everything myself, by myself. Asking for help is hard, writing this thread is hard.
So here are my 2 fears:
1) my calves getting bigger.
Before you go on about the bulking thing, I am not concerned about that or about looking manly. I was reading this ebook about 5x5 lifting, http://www.lundswingtsun.se/pdfwce/stronglifts5x5.pdf, and at one point he says:
"Focus on Fat Loss. Not weight loss. Get a fat caliper and track your body fat every 2 weeks. 3% fat loss/month is do-able. Take also pictures every 2 weeks to track progress. Measure waist/neck/thighs/arms/chest every 2 weeks too to check progress there (everything will go up, except waist which will go down)."
I don't know if at this point he was talking to everyone or just men, but I don't see how gender would really make a difference, because while women don't have as much testosterone to build huge muscles, I assume that the muscles will get bigger for ladies too. I don't want my calves to get bigger as they are already 16" at their widest. I don't care about the other measurements, well I'll be sad when my ladies decrease a bit, but that can't be helped.:ohwell:
I want to wear cute knee-high black leather boots, darn it! :mad: I have never been able to. All the shafts of the boots I like are 14".
So what were your measurements ladies, before and current? (don't want to say after because that implies you are finished )
2) the barbell machines and actually using them
I am timid at the gym and super self-conscious, and I can't afford a personal trainer. How did you start your weight lifting experience? Did you dive in and wade through the guys? Wait till less people were around? How did you learn to use the machines? Also did you work up to it by starting on the other machines first?
I'm debating about finding out from the front desk when there are the fewest people in the weightlifting area.
And I can't do a chin-up, let alone a pull-up. Have any of you used resistance bands to assist you?
Also, I know a lot of people advocate more weights less cardio, but I love my Zumba classes and swimming (poorly), so I plan on sticking with them.
So far I haven't seen any posts about the actual first steps of weightlifting at the gym, just to go do it. I need to hear some of your stories to help build confidence.
Question for both genders: If a woman asked for a spot, would you assist?
I put a lot of pressure on myself to do everything myself, by myself. Asking for help is hard, writing this thread is hard.
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Everyday when I go to the gym I do weight training/ Heavy Lifting...or I should say heavier each time I get stronger, then I do cardio. Weight lifting first will ensure burning out of glucose so that the cardio will tap into fat storage. Once I switched to weight training first I saw better results in my body. Weight lifting got me SMALLER! I have been wide most of my life. Now people comment on how I look so much smaller. My waist lost 3 inches same with my thighs after weight lifting. The scale wants to say otherwise and tends to throw off my motivation, but I decided to ditch the scale and now I measure. So...despite the long going myth about women lifting making them bulky or even looking bigger ...it wont! Lean muscle is smaller then fat...it weighs more but is leaner. Takes up less space in the body. As long as you have some form of cardio going on....lifting is the best thing you can do to sculpt your body into a lean sexy machine!0
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Okay, so I'll start with this:
1.) I have huge calves also. 15" and I can't wear any of those cutesie boots either. How did I solve that problem? I found boots that had expanders in them and actually fit. I do work my calves and since I am eating at a deficit, they will not get bigger, but will instead be more shapely, defined, and look a bit better. There isn't much you can do in the way of reducing the size of your calves. Believe me, I've done research on the topic many times. The way I've come to deal with it is this way- who the hell looks at your calves? I used to be so self conscious about them and hate that I had huge calves until I realized that it could be way worse. I could have many more other problem areas that are more noticeable.
2.) When it comes to the weights part of the room, just try to not be nervous. If you are confident, you will look confident. Not to sound mean, but nobody is going to pay attention to you when you walk in that weight room. Everyone does their own thing when it comes to weights. When I go in the weights part of the room, I'm not looking at anyone else. I'm doing what needs to get done for me to get through my workout successfully. And if you look silly the first few times because you aren't quite sure what you're doing and still getting the hang of it, who cares!? Everyone started somewhere, just remember that. The woman you see in the corner of her gym doing her thing and squatting what looks like an ungodly amount of weight wasn't just born doing that. She had to start out at one point too. It may feel like everyone is looking at you, but they aren't. The men are the same way. They just want to get in, do their workouts, and get out. Only the real D-bags are the ones that sit around and gawk at everyone for hours and who cares if you look stupid to them? They are stupid.
Edit- No guy (or girl) I have ever come across in the gym has criticized another or made fun of another for pushing themselves, no matter how "silly" you may think you look. What they do make fun of? The person who is sitting on the treadmill or weight bench looking at themselves in the mirror and/or texting, because those people aren't doing squat (or squats, literally).
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1)My calves got smaller since I've started lifting. I never measured them, but I can wear knee length boots that didn't fit before. They're shapelier, but thinner.
2) I started by reading New rules of lifting for Women. It tells you exactly what to do, and there are drawings of the exercises in there, to demonstrate form. I also spent a lot of time on Youtube, looking at videos on lifting form. When I was really in doubt, I asked on here. So I would suggest starting with a program, NROLW, Stronglifts etc.
You don't have to give up cardio to lift, you can do both. Also, I recommend free weights over machines.
Most people won't mind helping you out if you need a spot.0 -
1) my calves getting bigger
He's talking about people who are eating at a surplus while lifting. If you are eating at a deficit, you won't get larger/gain much weight. You'll only experience "noob gains" which are just a couple of pounds at most, spread out over your entire body.
I've always had to wear "wide calf" tall boots. Since losing weight and lifting heavy, I'm in regular boots now. It's awesome. My calves are more defined, but smaller.
2) the barbell machines and actually using them
Get the book "Starting Strength" from the library. It's a great resource. Also, look for videos by Mark Rippetoe on youtube. They will give you good examples of form.
Free weights and machines are two different things. Most gyms will show you how to work the machines. Not sure about the free weights. You'll probably have to just wade in there and do it yourself. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Most guys don't care if there's a girl in the weight room. Besides, you pay for a membership too!
Question for both genders: If a woman asked for a spot, would you assist?
I absolutely would not hesitate to provide a spot for someone, as long as they asked me while I was resting in between sets and didn't mind waiting for a few seconds while I finished what I was doing.0 -
Google, Youtube, read read read lots of stuff and make a game plan.
This group is amazing, especially the Stronglifts Summary
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/4618-stronglifts-5x5-for-women0 -
1. Check out the "heavy lifter ladies" in the Eat, Train, Progress forum and tell me with a straight face they've bulked up.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/10067-eat-train-progress-
Particularly:
Sarauk2sf
MireyGal76
Codergal
...and many many more.
2. Start with the machines to get your feet wet, migrate to dumbbells and cables as you get more comfortable, eventually move to barbells, and at your peak look the gym alpha square in the face and say "dude, are you going to just stand there looking stupid or are you going to spot me?"...okay, so admittedly not the last part. I'm timid about requiring assistance in a gym myself. I highly doubt I'd ever have the testicular fortitude to say that outloud.
3. I would consider it an honor for you to have enough trust in me not to let a heavy weight land on your chest, pinning you to the bench. (happened to me once at home maybe 25 years ago when I had a home bench.)0 -
Bump. I am really interested in starting lifting.0
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Ok, im a bloke.. but anyway...
1)... its not that simple... if it were, we'd all be walking hulks of muscle... and if you are on a calorie deficit, you will NOT build any muscles... takes like 10,000cals EXTRA (above your maintenance) to build 1lb of muscle.
2)... guys will coz they are pervs LOL... and wanna look macho and gentleman like... just ask anyone... avoid ppl wearing fingerless gloves though because they most liley will give you bad advice... but in general, if you need a spot, most guys will help.
If you are on machines, you should never need a spotter though?
If you are not confident with free-weight work, and do not know or understand how to perform them PROPERLY, you probably shouldnt for now until you take the time to research them properly.... if you are on machines, no one will even think twice to look at you... no one cares.
Start at the lowest weight possible... do your sets and reps (eg 5x5)...next session, increase by the smallest increment... rinse and repeat.... thats it... it will seem incredible easy to begin with and almost pointless... just keep at it... 4months later, you'll be better off.0 -
Agree that your calves won't get bigger unless you are eating a surplus of calories. I've lost 2 inches around my calves.
I would ultimately advise against using machines. If you want to start there just to get comfortable with lifting, then I guess that's fine, and the people who run the gym should be able to teach you how to use them. But machines do not encourage proper form, and they do some of the stabilizing work for you. You will get more benefit from learning how to lift with a barbell. You can add weight as you feel comfortable. Don't feel like you need to prove anything to anyone else in the gym by stacking on more plates than necessary (or any plates at all in the beginning ... an Olympic bar weighs 45 lbs by itself).
You might want to check and see if your gym offers any kind of personal training service. If so, it would likely be beneficial to you to hire a trainer for at least one session to teach you proper form. And most people who lift are happy to spot for others. I don't train at a gym anymore, but when I did, I would sometimes have guys offer to spot me before I even asked if they could tell I was training by myself. "Real" lifters (i.e. those who have actual goals they are trying to reach and are not just pretending to lift because they think it looks cool) are a pretty welcoming community to people who have a genuine interest in strength training and show a willingness to put in some effort.0 -
Josalinn,
Unless you are doing ridiculous amounts of weight and purposely trying to get big your calves will get huge. Proper nutrition and proper training will get you to where you need to be. You just have to be patient.
Weight lifting
I love doing weights. Yes, it's incredibly intimidating in the beginning. Before I hit the weights I did a lot of research and started a program that helped soo much. (Jamie Eason LiveFit Trainer) it's on bodybuilding.com. She has a lot of videos and really gives amazing advice. It was the jumpstart and the confidence and knowledge I needed to lift.
Do you have an iPhone or Android? Download the Bodybuilding.com application. They have a bodyspace program but it's nothing special this website is better. I know you are thinking "I DON'T WANT TO BE A BODY BUILDER" but just do your research and formulate your own program and opinions. People are always going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do and you will start driving yourself crazy running around in circles trying to figure out what is the best.
My suggestion is to download that application or check out the website because it shows you videos of how to do the work out with proper form. They have so many kinds of workout (with machines, without machines, dumbbells, etc.) It's actually pretty neat.
I went out of town last week and was a little worried because the gym at the hotel didn't have all the machines I'm use to. So I pulled up the app and found so many different workouts I was able to do with what I had available and I was def. sore the next day.
My friend who is a trainer & the Jamie Eason program taught me to work out & focus on these certain muscle groups when I'm at the gym:
1) Back & Bicep
2) Legs & Oblique
3) Chest and Triceps
4) Shoulders & Abs
Always do a 20min cardio warm-up.
Good luck! Add me and we can message each other back and forth.
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girl should definitely lift/do weights.
1) my calves got bigger only after i started training them
2) free weights over machines anyday. i rarely see women on machines in my gym.
3) it would be an honour of the highest standards.0 -
My measurements have gone down all over, except for in the first couple of weeks and that was just water retention. A friend told me not to measure for a month. When I did measure I'd lost an inch off of each thigh (my trouble spot), and considering that I had only lost a pound that's pretty good.
I recommend going straight for the barbells. I put off lifting for a long time because in college I did the weight machines and never saw any change in body composition despite doing them for about a year. I did get stronger, but my body didn't look any different. In the 3 months or so that I've been lifting I've been seeing changes in my body and in the past 3 weeks since I started Stronglifts I've seen some pretty significant differences. My cellulite has almost gone away for one thing, and I had pretty much resigned myself to having that forever.
Get a program that has explanations on form. Watch some YouTube videos. Read some articles. Friend some of the lifters you see around the forums so you can make use of their experience. Some of it though is just going to take practice. It probably took me the first month or so before I felt really confident about my form on everything. Some things came easier than others. Squats are easier for me than anything upper body. The important thing is not to go too fast and injure yourself, and be willing to ask for help. If you can afford it I imagine it would be helpful to hire a trainer, even if it's just for one session. I'd love to be able to do that myself.
Good luck, I hope you love lifting as much as I do. :flowerforyou:0 -
Agree that your calves won't get bigger unless you are eating a surplus of calories. I've lost 2 inches around my calves.
working hard and crossing my fingers for a similar result. I, too, would like to wear tall boots.0 -
Anyone at a decent gym who isn't willing to give you a spot when asked is either brand new, a complete tool, or both. Many will offer to spot without being asked. . . and that's for a guy. I cannot IMAGINE any guys who do not fall into the "noob/tool" category declining to spot a woman who asked.0
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1)Lifting made my calves really big haha. Everything in my legs have gotten smaller. Unfortunately I didn't keep track of measurements but I know for sure because the knee high boots that would chafe me before are now lose. And for those who are all 'I want thigh gap', well I have one of those too. Squatting didn't make me 'bulk up'...and I've been eating at a surplus and trying to lol. My Calves are now a whopping 13 inches around at the widest part. Just do it, you won't be sorry.
If you're worried about your muscles continuously growing, then you would have to be on a calorie surplus. Muscles need fuel to grow. And a lot of people work very hard to do that. And everything is very easily reversed.
It is scientifically impossible to become bigger and bulkier to begin with on a calorie deficit. If you see someone who you think is bulky in their progress pictures, ask for their before pictures, and you'll see they're smaller in all the places you thought were 'bulky', and they probably looked even bulkier before.
by volume, muscle weighs more then fat. This means that muscle takes up less room then fat. So if you think you bulked up in muscle, that means you slimmed down by a gigantic amount.
You don't turn into a hulk over night. It takes lots of calorie surplus and strength training and time. And in a blink of an eye those effects can be reversed. Just be lazy, tada your problems are solved.
Cardio had me in a skinny sagging mess. I wasn't 'firm' until I added strength training.
2) I was terrified to start going into the weight room. The first time around I just used the machines 'cause I didn't want to look like a fool. Then I realized that well, you just get better results with barbells and dumbbells so I went with that and read up allot on form. I'm self conscious but I've gotten good at ignoring people, and for the most part you'll find that everyone ignores everyone else anyway. I also can't afford a personal trainer, there's lots of free material online. I started by reading stronglifts 5x5 (it's free and available online) and watching youtube videos on form (watch many, some of them conflict). I dove in and waded through all the guys...I find them a lot less *****ier then the girls lol. The machines are pretty easy to use. You can copy some of the names of them down and youtube how to use them at home, or you could just read the machine (there's usually a picture diagram). I used mostly all the machines once and found I preferred free weights. There's only 2 machines I actually enjoyed and that's the rowing machine and the leg press. Just start with a light weight to get a feel for how much you can lift. The leg press with no weights is not going to hurt you. Don't get intimidated by the weights on top of you, if you get in it with no weight on you'll see how easy it is to push up. If you don't know how to use a machine, just ask a staff member, they'll help, they don't want you injuring yourself. Or ask someone you seen on it, every guy I've ever asked for help was helpful...every girl I've asked had a complete attitude problem but that may just be the several gyms I've been in.
Chin ups: There is usually a chin up assist machine at the gyms. I got my own and just fought with it at home. Start by doing negatives (Get up at the top and slowly lower yourself the whole way). If you can touch the ground slowly bring yourself up till you get to the point where you can lift yourself. Doing all kinds of arm work helps. Push ups, arm press, overhead press, there's a few machines where you can do arm exercises with cables which can help. I'm not a big expert so there's usually a specific weak part that someone more skilled then me could give you advice as to which muscles you should work and how to have an easier time with chin ups.
If you love Zumba, don't stop something you love. But know that your weight training will suffer. For me I picked up hiking last year (as you can see from my profile pic). I don't intend to stop the things I love just for my looks.
3) Absolutely, and I've done it and was thrilled. Not many ask me to assist them, I'm to skinny lol. That being said, I don't usually have a spotter.0 -
1. My calves have gotten smaller not bigger.
2. I just went in with the boys to the barbells. I took classes in high school and college.
3. I ask men to spot me all the time.0 -
Wow , just wow, Thanks for all the support, encouragement and stories.
I have done the machines in the center of my gym(the ones with the pullies and such?) I don't feel like I am getting a great work out. I feel better than I did if I didn't use them but I want to actually get something out of my work outs.
I was reading that some of the exercises to do with a 5x5 program don't necessarily have a rack with safety pins, which is why I was asking about spots.
Thanks for clearing up confusion about the calves thing. I know its extremely vain, but I love boots. and shoes....shoes in general...
BTW Codergal, your legs look fab! and I love the outfit.
Finals end on the 15th and then I have a bachelor/ette party and wedding to go to. So Monday the 20th, I'm going to do more research and plan things, but all the threads about lifting have gotten me so excited that I wanted to find out more sooner rather than later.0 -
I have done the machines in the center of my gym(the ones with the pullies and such?) I don't feel like I am getting a great work out. I feel better than I did if I didn't use them but I want to actually get something out of my work outs.I was reading that some of the exercises to do with a 5x5 program don't necessarily have a rack with safety pins, which is why I was asking about spots.Finals end on the 15th and then I have a bachelor/ette party and wedding to go to. So Monday the 20th, I'm going to do more research and plan things, but all the threads about lifting have gotten me so excited that I wanted to find out more sooner rather than later.0
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Okay, I found the link from yesterday's party thread joking on this exact topic:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/977538-halp-heavy-lifting-made-me-supah-bulky
And today's continuation:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/978398-halp-heavy-lifting-made-me-supah-bulky0 -
Finals end on the 15th and then I have a bachelor/ette party and wedding to go to. So Monday the 20th, I'm going to do more research and plan things, but all the threads about lifting have gotten me so excited that I wanted to find out more sooner rather than later.
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My finals equal 100% of my grade. (no that is not a typo, yay law school!) Still hitting the gym, but devoting my "reading energy" to studying. UGH!
And the party is out of town so i won't back till late the 19th. I might be able to start soonish after that, but probably not right on the 20th.0 -
1. I have always had large calf muscles but they are actually getting smaller in circumference with lifting (when I was in a deficit).
2. There are a few options: Read books/internet sources/watch youtube videos and go it alone. Bring a buddy with experience the first few times to show you the ropes. *Hire* a personal trainer for one session and come with a list of things you want to be shown. I personally had my husband with me the first few times I went and I always research a new lift before trying it!
3. I'd spot anyone, but as one of the smallest people lifting, no one has ever asked. I did ask a stranger to spot me on a bench press once and he did, no questions asked.0 -
1) my calves getting bigger.
2) the barbell machines and actually using them
Question for both genders: If a woman asked for a spot, would you assist?
I put a lot of pressure on myself to do everything myself, by myself. Asking for help is hard, writing this thread is hard.
1. I've been doing serious barbell training for five years. During that time, I've spent a few months training very very hard and eating enough to gain. If there is one thing I wish I could get, it is bigger legs. Bigger calves, bigger thighs, etc. Unfortunately my genetics don't swing that way. I never got bigger calves. I can't see you from here, but chances are, you will not end up with big calves.
2. I was pretty intimidated the first couple of months of barbell training. I just did it anyway. I made mistakes. I looked foolish. Hey, you know what? Tons of guys make mistakes and look foolish too. You just have to do it. The awkward part will soon cease being awkward.
3. I'd give anyone a spot who asked for it (and have given total strangers a spot.)0 -
Oh boy, so much to answer! Here goes!1) my calves getting bigger.2) the barbell machines and actually using them
I am timid at the gym and super self-conscious, and I can't afford a personal trainer. How did you start your weight lifting experience? Did you dive in and wade through the guys? Wait till less people were around? How did you learn to use the machines? Also did you work up to it by starting on the other machines first?
I'm debating about finding out from the front desk when there are the fewest people in the weightlifting area.
And I can't do a chin-up, let alone a pull-up. Have any of you used resistance bands to assist you?
Also, I know a lot of people advocate more weights less cardio, but I love my Zumba classes and swimming (poorly), so I plan on sticking with them.
So far I haven't seen any posts about the actual first steps of weightlifting at the gym, just to go do it. I need to hear some of your stories to help build confidence.
I wade through the guys, if I can (sometimes I just give up and go somewhere else if it's REALLY busy). I've worked with all guys for 10 years (and studied in college with all guys for 4 years before that), so I'm used to having to prove myself! Also, I don't use the machines anymore, I do almost all free weights (dumbbells, kettlebells, barbells, bodyweight), exception being the cable cross machine for rows or lawnmower pulls, etc. I learned from having a trainer for a short while, but honestly I've done better on my own without him now. I also watch others a lot - spy on other trainers and gym-goers, haha. bodybuilding.com has some good short videos you can watch for form. Youtube too, but I make sure it's someone I trust to show me properly for more advanced moves I'm not famliar with (kettlebell cleans, jefferson squats, etc).
I haven't done resistance band pullups (chin ups), never figured out how to on my own. I did negatives, where I stood on a chair (I have a pullup bar at home) and let myself down slowly, until I worked up the strength. I kept the pullup bar in my walk-in closet doorway, so I'd randomly try to pull myself up almost daily, sometimes a couple times a day - then one day, surprised myself and did one!! It was SO.AWESOME!
See also: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/04/25/do-a-pull-up/
I did cardio on my off days between lift days, as I was usually somewhat sore but still wanted to do some form of exercise. Nothing strenuous, and usually not for more than a half hour. Just to keep the legs/arms moving - stair machine, rowing machine. I do a quick dumbbell/bodyweight/kettlebell circuit, if I'm pressed for time.Question for both genders: If a woman asked for a spot, would you assist?
I put a lot of pressure on myself to do everything myself, by myself. Asking for help is hard, writing this thread is hard.
I'd have no problem if anyone asked me to spot them, and have had guys ask me. One time I was trying to ask a guy if he was using a plate or bench or something, and he thought I was asking for a spot and was more than willing to help. Another time a lady just up and offered, lol. But I'm much like you, and don't like asking for help.0
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