low weight & high reps vs. high weight low reps

MorgueBabe
MorgueBabe Posts: 1,188 Member
What's the difference?

Is there one?
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  • JoeyTajzai
    JoeyTajzai Posts: 1,198 Member
    A friend of mine told me that low weight and high reps is built for stamina and is usually what a lot of soccer/swimmers do when they work out. High weights and low reps helps you build muscle

    edit: dont quote me though! this is just what i heard
  • jaygreen55
    jaygreen55 Posts: 315 Member
    This is a link to an article from the NY times on exactly that question

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/ask-well-more-repetitions-vs-more-weight/

    It is not the answer most on this site would give but it is backed by research. There are also many thoughtful opinions in the comment section below the article
  • Frank_Just_Frank
    Frank_Just_Frank Posts: 454 Member
    Low reps @ high weight is more for building strength whereas the opposite helps more at building muscle.
  • Muscle is made up of muscle fibers and the sarcoplasm.

    High weight, low reps (usually 1 to 5 reps) is for myofibrillar hypertrophy. This means an increase in the amount of muscle fibers, which results in stronger, but smaller muscle. You still gain some sarcoplasmic hypertrophy this way.

    Low weight, high reps (usually 8 to 12 reps) is for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. This means an increase in the size of the sarcoplasm, which makes your muscles look bigger. You still gain some myofibrillar hypertrophy this way.
  • Elleinnz
    Elleinnz Posts: 1,661 Member
    From what i know - High weight - low reps like 5x5 will be more efficient at building strength.

    "Lower weight" - higher reps are more efficient for fat loss.....

    Now you will notice the inverted commas - I still go pretty heavy - as much as I can lift / push for 12 to 15 reps.

    My bench presses are 90lbs for 12 -15 reps...(4 sets)

    Also I keep my rest very short - so higher intensity most probably than 5x5 ( which I have never done - so I might be totally off on this )

    An extract from this article.......

    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/854/Lose_Weight_For_Summer_Top_Five_Training_Tips_For_.aspx

    Tip #1: Train A High Volume, Short Rest Periods & Moderate Loads
    Strength train with a high volume of work, short rest periods, and moderate to heavy loads using multi-joint exercises. Squats, deadlifts, chin-ups, bench press, lunges, and rows should make up the core of your training. A hypertrophy-type program that generally includes 8 to 12 reps of more than 3 sets is ideal, but can be manipulated for a greater muscle building effect. More sets will accelerate results, but the 8 to 12 rep, 3 set scheme is a good place to start training for fat loss.

    Use weights in the 70 to 85 percent of maximum range with short rest periods of 60 seconds or shorter. This will provide a significant anabolic response by elevating testosterone and growth hormone (more on this below). High reps and short rest intervals will make your body a high-powered energy burning machine.

    Circuit training and super set schemes are ideal, as are descending sets in which you finish with very high reps (25 reps of squats or 2 minutes of leg presses, for example) for an extra fat burning burst. Supersets with 10 seconds rest when switching from the agonist to the antagonist exercise and 60 seconds between sets is one option. Or a “death circuit” of heavy, high volume deadlifts followed by split squats followed by lighter high volume squats with 10 seconds rest between exercises is another.
  • GODfidence
    GODfidence Posts: 249 Member
    Low reps @ high weight is more for building strength whereas the opposite helps more at building muscle.

    How would you build strength without building muscle?
  • FitForLaw
    FitForLaw Posts: 12 Member
    I think its a misconception that low weight, high reps is just about stamina. It also builds strength, maybe not as fast as high weight low reps.

    At age 61, I emphasize more the low weight, high reps, and still build strength. Over time, I can still lift more.

    But probably need to define what I mean. High weight, low rep, I think of as a weight heavy enough so I can only do up to 10 - 12 reps. Some would say only 6 to 10 reps. Whereas low weight, high rep, I think of as a weight heavy enough that I can do 15 to 20 reps. If I can do more than 20 reps, I increase the weight.
  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    High weight (~65%+ 1RM) and low reps (1-7) builds strength

    Medium weight (~40-60% 1RM) and medium reps (8-12) builds muscle (it's more complex when we get into progressive overload, but this is the general weight/reps needed)

    Low weight (<40% 1RM) and high reps (15+) is pretty much pointless. You'll gain some muscle endurance but that's it. You'll still be DYEL and look DYEL. You might as well not even lift.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    Low reps @ high weight is more for building strength whereas the opposite helps more at building muscle.

    How would you build strength without building muscle?

    Muscle build in a strength-oriented approach is generally more compact than muscle mass packed on in a hypertrophic (eg- bodybuilding) program. What he's trying to say (I hope) is that the lower (actually moderate) weight with higher reps is for hypertrophy, aka bulk/mass.
  • FitForLaw
    FitForLaw Posts: 12 Member
    This study below shows that low weight/high reps (16 reps) and high weight/low reps (8 reps) were pretty similar in building strength in a study of post-menopausal women.
    http://general.utpb.edu/FAC/eldridge_j/KINE6362/ancillaryfiles/trainingandpostmenopausal.pdf
  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    This study below shows that low weight/high reps (16 reps) and high weight/low reps (8 reps) were pretty similar in building strength in a study of post-menopausal women.
    http://general.utpb.edu/FAC/eldridge_j/KINE6362/ancillaryfiles/trainingandpostmenopausal.pdf

    From the study:
    HL showed greater improvements in upper body strength (HL 25%, HR 16%).
  • goldstargeek
    goldstargeek Posts: 26 Member
    Im currently reading New Rules of Lifting for Women...its enlightening and I would encourage reading that over me trying to explain it. :) LOL
  • angserino
    angserino Posts: 59
    Bump to read later
  • FitForLaw
    FitForLaw Posts: 12 Member
    Well true that high weight, low reps does seem to build more strength faster. But still build strength at 15 - 20 reps from personal experience. I tend to get injured more easily with the higher weights, so its a trade off. Part of getting older I guess.
  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    Well true that high weight, low reps does seem to build more strength faster. But still build strength at 15 - 20 reps from personal experience. I tend to get injured more easily with the higher weights, so its a trade off. Part of getting older I guess.
    If you're getting injured then your form is incorrect. Which lifts cause you to injure yourself?
  • Frank_Just_Frank
    Frank_Just_Frank Posts: 454 Member
    It's not all or none. But low weight at high reps will build muscle more than it will build strength.
  • Frank_Just_Frank
    Frank_Just_Frank Posts: 454 Member
    Yes that's what I meant, but you said it much better :)
  • FitForLaw
    FitForLaw Posts: 12 Member
    No particular exercises cause injury, I just notice it more on the heavy ones. I have had a personal trainer off and on for the last 5 years, so my form is pretty good. I'm not one of these who uses bad form to try to get a heavy weight up. If I can't lift it correctly, I use a lighter weight. If I move up to a heavier weight too fast, I am more likely to get a sore joint.
  • mrdexter1
    mrdexter1 Posts: 356 Member
    Heavy load (less reps) will will fire fast twitch fibres earlier stimulating growth..

    lighter load lifted and more repetitions on fatigued muscles will induce more growth (pump) through a differing body mechanism ..
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    This study below shows that low weight/high reps (16 reps) and high weight/low reps (8 reps) were pretty similar in building strength in a study of post-menopausal women.
    http://general.utpb.edu/FAC/eldridge_j/KINE6362/ancillaryfiles/trainingandpostmenopausal.pdf
    That's directed at a group of people with a certain condition and doesn't address general population.

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    What's the difference?

    Is there one?
    In the most basic sense:
    High weight with low to medium reps (3-12) work on the muscle fibers for hypertrophy
    Low weight high reps (12 and higher) work on muscle fibers for endurance.

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  • High weight (~65%+ 1RM) and low reps (1-7) builds strength

    Medium weight (~40-60% 1RM) and medium reps (8-12) builds muscle (it's more complex when we get into progressive overload, but this is the general weight/reps needed)

    Low weight (<40% 1RM) and high reps (15+) is pretty much pointless. You'll gain some muscle endurance but that's it. You'll still be DYEL and look DYEL. You might as well not even lift.

    Not true, according to research.

    "...a lower load lifted to failure resulted in similar hypertrophy as a heavy load lifted to failure."

    I realize lifting to failure is the big point in that statement, but in the study I am citing there was no significant difference in hypertrophy between lifting 3 sets at 30% and 3 sets at 80%, as long as they lifted to failure. Obviously there were differences in strength gains between those two groups, because one is lifting a heavier weight than the other, but to say that there is no hypertrophy at lower weight and higher reps is just false.

    From this study: http://jap.physiology.org/content/early/2012/04/12/japplphysiol.00307.2012.abstract
  • Joehenny
    Joehenny Posts: 1,222 Member
    Low weight high reps is body building style training. Hypertrophy.,

    Low reps high weight is strength training.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    The lower rep range (1 – 5) causes neurological adaptations, which is your body developing its ability to activate muscle fibers by increasing the frequency of neural impulses sent to the brain as well as improving intra- and inter-muscle coordination. Basically it makes you stronger but does has a lesser impact to your muscle mass. [Myofibril hypertrophy]

    The mid rep range (6 – 12) the impact is more on the metabolic and cellular level where you gain muscle mass but strength gains are not as significant as you would get in the lower rep ranges. This is the general rep range for hypertrophy, or mass gains. [Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy]

    The higher rep ranges (13+) stimulate muscle endurance primarily with only a small amount of hypertrophy and very little strength and as such is not considered strength training in the strict sense of the word.

    Note, that there is no hard and fast line between the effects of the above, but rather a continuum. Also, the number of sets plays into how much is strength v hypertrophy v endurance. For example, you can do 5 sets of 6 reps for a total of 30 lifts, or you can do 10 sets of 3 lifts for a total of 30 lifts. If you do them to an equivalent level of failure, the time under tension will be the same. The number of sets does not automatically turn it from strength to hypertrophy due to the rest periods between sets, but it does have a bearing on where in the continuum the routine lies.

    So, in summary (and slightly oversimplified):
    1 – 5 reps = strength
    6 – 12 reps = hypertrophy
    13+ = endurance
  • Raven2evil
    Raven2evil Posts: 73 Member
    When I took my body sculpting class we did low weight high reps. It tones and firms muscle. High weight low reps helps build the muscle. The difference is toning vs building.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    When I took my body sculpting class we did low weight high reps. It tones and firms muscle. High weight low reps helps build the muscle. The difference is toning vs building.
    There is no such thing as "toning". It's a made up term by the fitness industry from long ago to get females to think lifting weights this way wasn't lifting weights.
    And no lifting for multiple reps doesn't "tone", it builds muscle endurance.

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  • emergencytennis
    emergencytennis Posts: 864 Member
    Would running be considered a low weight high rep leg exercise then? Building muscle endurance without growing new muscle?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Would running be considered a low weight high rep leg exercise then? Building muscle endurance without growing new muscle?

    No. Running is not considered strength training.
  • MorgueBabe
    MorgueBabe Posts: 1,188 Member
    THANK YOU EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • kms1320
    kms1320 Posts: 599 Member
    Super high rep exercises are certainly not pointless though.. back in the army if you wanted to do more pushups, you did lots of pushups. If you wanted to do more pullups, you did lots of pullups. If you wanted to do more situps, you did lots of situps. If you wanted a faster 2 mile time, you ran a lot.

    Example, I wanted to do 75+ pushups in 2 minutes when I was barely doing 50. I would rep til failure for 4 sets in a row, every night before lights out. In a couple months, I did hit my goal. I didn't change anything else.