Is this plan working

I am 6'0 32 yr old dude:
I was 215 on April 1, when I started consuming less calories (went from about 1800 to 1300). At 1800, I was increasing about a pound a year average.

So April 1, I decrease to 1300 cal. April 14th, I was down to 204 due to that typical quick loss that everyone experiences. Then is when I wanted to raise my metabolism back up so I started walking/running for about 20 minutes a day on the treadmill, as well as stationary biking another 20. I also have these wimpy 20 pound weights that have sit in the closet for years, so I do whatever I can with those for 5-10 minutes. But, since April 14, I still weigh in about 203 in the morning.

So my question is - have I not raised my metabolism back up with these work outs because I am doing something wrong, or is it possible these workouts are slightly building muscle mass, therefore offsetting any decrease in fat and weight?

BTW, those 1300 calories come from 130 calorie breakfast (oatmeal), 400 calorie lunch (plain white rice), and dinner can range from anything from boxed baked potatoes, pasta, 2 grilled sandwiches, 1 can of beans (lima, pinto, etc), 2 burritos, 1 quesadilla, 3 pieces of fish, a couple pieces of chicken, or mac and cheese. Then comes the workout, and if afterwards still hungry, either a nutri-grain bar or boiled egg. I drink only water (besides maybe 1 can diet coke or diet dr pepper) during the day.
Thnx
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  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    You're saying that you GAIN weight eating only 1800 calories per day?
  • sexymuffintop
    sexymuffintop Posts: 636
    In for mind boggling.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Topic title promised a plan. I see no plan here. I would like my money refunded and then I'm leaving this theater
  • iulia_maddie
    iulia_maddie Posts: 2,780 Member
    You're telling me you're a 6' dude eating 1300 calories a day? On purpose?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    In...

    ...because I want to better understand why a grown man would intentionally eat 1300 calories.
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,733 Member
    ok, i'll play along...

    if you say you were very slowly gaining at 1800 calories, then that's the same as saying your TDEE was 1800 and you were at maintenance.

    by my calculations, without any specific exercise, your BMR should have been around 2600. now it might have been a little less or a little more, but the error margin isn't too relevant for your question.

    the fact that you *think* 1800 was your TDEE and i *think* 2600 should have been your TDEE should tell you that one of us is way off base.

    1) is there a medical condition that could be affecting your metabolism?
    2) did you ever yo-yo diet over a long period of time?
    3) are you truly logging everything accurately, correctly, and honestly?
    4) are you making any math errors?
    5) are you doing too much and eating too little and screwing up your metabolism now?

    these are the first questions that come to my mind. perhaps there are others that need to be asked as well.

    3) and 4) are the first ones i'd verify. then 2) and 5). then finally 1).

    somewhere in here something is not as it seems to be. i suppose it's possible that you are an EXTREME outlier as a statistical data point, but i wouldn't rush to that as the explanation until everything else has been properly addressed first. if it turns out your BMR/TDEE really is 1800 and there is no logical explanation for it, then it's going to suck to be you. you're going to have to be very careful with your calories for the rest of your life.
  • Skratchie
    Skratchie Posts: 131 Member
    If you were gaining by eating 1800 calories a day, maybe you should have done something to increase your activity level instead of cutting calories. By the way, boxed or canned anything, white rice ... all those things are going to work against your weight loss efforts, not speed them along. Try eating a vegetable every once in a while and some lean protein.

    But I think your original question was, is this plan working? Umm ... no. Not for long-term weight loss it isn't.
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,733 Member
    If you were gaining by eating 1800 calories a day, maybe you should have done something to increase your activity level instead of cutting calories. By the way, boxed or canned anything, white rice ... all those things are going to work against your weight loss efforts, not speed them along. Try eating a vegetable every once in a while and some lean protein.

    But I think your original question was, is this plan working? Umm ... no. Not for long-term weight loss it isn't.

    in bold is bovine poop.

    weight loss has next to nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's all about calories. stop trying to confuse the OP with irrelevancies.
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    Ok well I dont know what else to say, I swear to god 1800-2000 a day.
    Not much activity other than mowing the lawn.
    No bragging or anything but I had a brain tumor removed 20 years ago and still have seizures if that helps any. Maybe the seizures helped me keep my weight down to only a pound per year. If its funny go ahead and laugh
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    Just as a comparison, I am 5ft 5, 132lbs and I am losing bodyfat on NET 1800 cals (I eat about 2200 on exercise days), so something doesn't add up it you're 6ft and gain weigh on less cals....
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Were you logging 1800 calories per day or are you estimating your previous intake?

    1300 calories is very low. It's too low for me and I'm a 125 lb woman.
  • lori_gooch
    lori_gooch Posts: 3 Member
    Wow that is completely ridiculous. Of course it has something to do with what you eat!
  • Skratchie
    Skratchie Posts: 131 Member
    If you were gaining by eating 1800 calories a day, maybe you should have done something to increase your activity level instead of cutting calories. By the way, boxed or canned anything, white rice ... all those things are going to work against your weight loss efforts, not speed them along. Try eating a vegetable every once in a while and some lean protein.

    But I think your original question was, is this plan working? Umm ... no. Not for long-term weight loss it isn't.

    in bold is bovine poop.

    weight loss has next to nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's all about calories. stop trying to confuse the OP with irrelevancies.

    I completely disagree; if you have a different opinion, well that's fine because I don't really care one way or the other. But eating canned beans or mac and cheese (that I'm sure comes from a box) every night for dinner that is full of sodium will definitely stall out weight loss in some people. But of course, we all know how extremely healthy eating 400 calories worth of rice for lunch is every day. And so filling, too! /sarcasm

    If this guy's diet really is like he said, and he's eating those particular things every day, then his problem certainly CAN be that he's not eating the right foods. Not a mention of any sort of vegetable .... it all sounds canned/boxed/frozen to me, and if that's the case, that's likely his problem.
  • Railr0aderTony
    Railr0aderTony Posts: 6,803 Member
    Topic title promised a plan. I see no plan here. I would like my money refunded and then I'm leaving this theater

    ^^^^ This, In line for a refund.

    Quick Edit, You say you changed your calories on April 1st but only created your MFP account today??? 2 posts?? Me smells Troll.
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    Topic title promised a plan. I see no plan here. I would like my money refunded and then I'm leaving this theater

    ^^^^ This, In line for a refund.

    Quick Edit, You say you changed your calories on April 1st but only created your MFP account today??? 2 posts?? Me smells Troll.

    Is it normal to be attacked so quickly on this website? Is there an admin around that watches for this stuff? What else do you want me to say man, everything i posted is true.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    Topic title promised a plan. I see no plan here. I would like my money refunded and then I'm leaving this theater

    ^^^^ This, In line for a refund.

    Quick Edit, You say you changed your calories on April 1st but only created your MFP account today??? 2 posts?? Me smells Troll.

    Is it normal to be attacked so quickly on this website? Is there an admin around that watches for this stuff? What else do you want me to say man, everything i posted is true.

    Yes it's normal on here!

    Just take the useful info and don't worry about the rest!
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,733 Member
    If you were gaining by eating 1800 calories a day, maybe you should have done something to increase your activity level instead of cutting calories. By the way, boxed or canned anything, white rice ... all those things are going to work against your weight loss efforts, not speed them along. Try eating a vegetable every once in a while and some lean protein.

    But I think your original question was, is this plan working? Umm ... no. Not for long-term weight loss it isn't.

    in bold is bovine poop.

    weight loss has next to nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's all about calories. stop trying to confuse the OP with irrelevancies.

    I completely disagree; if you have a different opinion, well that's fine because I don't really care one way or the other. But eating canned beans or mac and cheese (that I'm sure comes from a box) every night for dinner that is full of sodium will definitely stall out weight loss in some people. But of course, we all know how extremely healthy eating 400 calories worth of rice for lunch is every day. And so filling, too! /sarcasm

    If this guy's diet really is like he said, and he's eating those particular things every day, then his problem certainly CAN be that he's not eating the right foods. Not a mention of any sort of vegetable .... it all sounds canned/boxed/frozen to me, and if that's the case, that's likely his problem.

    no it won't. the laws of physics don't get suspended just because you disagree with them.

    weight loss/gain is about calories. it has almost nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's about "how much" you eat.

    nutrition is about "what" you eat.

    i'm not going to play that stupid game that comes up on here all the time where i am supposed to pat you on the head and tell you that "we're all different" and that "we should just agree to disagree". because that's bovine poop. facts are facts and if you've been laboring under some falsehoods while believing them to be true, then now is the time to correct that mistake.

    i am talking about SCIENTIFIC FACT. it's settled. there is no dispute as to its accuracy. i'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but the falsehood you are spreading is dangerous and leads to eating disorders in extreme cases.

    and i'm also not in the mood for putting up with bovine poop today. also this is not personal. you may be a terrific person. but that belief that you stated and then defended is simply not true.
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,733 Member
    Topic title promised a plan. I see no plan here. I would like my money refunded and then I'm leaving this theater

    ^^^^ This, In line for a refund.

    Quick Edit, You say you changed your calories on April 1st but only created your MFP account today??? 2 posts?? Me smells Troll.

    Is it normal to be attacked so quickly on this website? Is there an admin around that watches for this stuff? What else do you want me to say man, everything i posted is true.

    people are skeptical because you joined today and made some claims that seem far-fetched. some people will jump to the conclusion that you are trolling and your account is a fake account. no reason to get mad. if your post is sincere, you'll still get help on the thread.
  • mjl54
    mjl54 Posts: 127 Member
    If you were gaining by eating 1800 calories a day, maybe you should have done something to increase your activity level instead of cutting calories. By the way, boxed or canned anything, white rice ... all those things are going to work against your weight loss efforts, not speed them along. Try eating a vegetable every once in a while and some lean protein.

    But I think your original question was, is this plan working? Umm ... no. Not for long-term weight loss it isn't.

    in bold is bovine poop.

    weight loss has next to nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's all about calories. stop trying to confuse the OP with irrelevancies.
    Exactly what they said. I lose weight eating boxed mac and cheese and "boxed mashed potatoes" and I eat white rice occasionally. I am loosing weight just fine.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Is it normal to be attacked so quickly on this website?

    yes
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    Topic title promised a plan. I see no plan here. I would like my money refunded and then I'm leaving this theater

    ^^^^ This, In line for a refund.

    Quick Edit, You say you changed your calories on April 1st but only created your MFP account today??? 2 posts?? Me smells Troll.

    Is it normal to be attacked so quickly on this website? Is there an admin around that watches for this stuff? What else do you want me to say man, everything i posted is true.

    Yes it's normal on here!

    Just take the useful info and don't worry about the rest!

    K thnx. I just googled weight loss forums, and noticed 95 percent of them were dead and no one used. Then I saw this one where someone replies like every 5 minutes, so I can see how it would be a nice place for trollers.
  • 777twist
    777twist Posts: 75 Member
    If you were gaining by eating 1800 calories a day, maybe you should have done something to increase your activity level instead of cutting calories. By the way, boxed or canned anything, white rice ... all those things are going to work against your weight loss efforts, not speed them along. Try eating a vegetable every once in a while and some lean protein.

    But I think your original question was, is this plan working? Umm ... no. Not for long-term weight loss it isn't.

    in bold is bovine poop.

    weight loss has next to nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's all about calories. stop trying to confuse the OP with irrelevancies.

    I completely disagree; if you have a different opinion, well that's fine because I don't really care one way or the other. But eating canned beans or mac and cheese (that I'm sure comes from a box) every night for dinner that is full of sodium will definitely stall out weight loss in some people. But of course, we all know how extremely healthy eating 400 calories worth of rice for lunch is every day. And so filling, too! /sarcasm

    If this guy's diet really is like he said, and he's eating those particular things every day, then his problem certainly CAN be that he's not eating the right foods. Not a mention of any sort of vegetable .... it all sounds canned/boxed/frozen to me, and if that's the case, that's likely his problem.

    no it won't. the laws of physics don't get suspended just because you disagree with them.

    weight loss/gain is about calories. it has almost nothing to do with "what" you eat. it's about "how much" you eat.

    nutrition is about "what" you eat.

    i'm not going to play that stupid game that comes up on here all the time where i am supposed to pat you on the head and tell you that "we're all different" and that "we should just agree to disagree". because that's bovine poop. facts are facts and if you've been laboring under some falsehoods while believing them to be true, then now is the time to correct that mistake.

    i am talking about SCIENTIFIC FACT. it's settled. there is no dispute as to its accuracy. i'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but the falsehood you are spreading is dangerous and leads to eating disorders in extreme cases.

    and i'm also not in the mood for putting up with bovine poop today. also this is not personal. you may be a terrific person. but that belief that you stated and then defended is simply not true.


    But wouldn't foods that are more calorie dense, and many times less filling be technically not as good for your weight loss program. I mean, I can eat like 2 lbs of my cabbage soup and it costs me less than 500 calories. Now if I eat 500 calories of candy, I'm eating the same amount, so true the weight loss (or gain) would be equal from a strictly math standpoint. But I would probably be super hungry after the candy, where the soup would be extremely filling.

    Now that's my pitch against what you said... however, now I have a question. Is 500 cals, 500 cals no matter the food? In other words, brown rice is supposed to absorb more slowly, so would 500 cals of brown rice (vs 500 cals of white rice) do anything for your system, as in make it work harder to burn those cals, or is that already taken into account. I don't know, I'm just asking. Seems logical (without proof) to me that various foods would process in your body differently, and provide energy differently and thus not be equal even from an energy conversion standpoint?
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    ok well thanks i guess.
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    update, im down to 199 in the morning, still bringing in 1200-1300 calories and doing that power 90 work out
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    update, im down to 199 in the morning, still bringing in 1200-1300 calories and doing that power 90 work out

    I would encourage you to see a doctor and/or dietician. Your intake is VERY low. It would be low for a woman, and it's too low for a man. If you're really maintaining on 1800 calories then you ought to make sure you don't have underlying health issues.

    Also you never answered my question about whether you are weighing your food. If you're estimating then you may be eating more than you think, which would be a good thing in your case.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    So you lost 4lb in a month? Probably mainly muscle!
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    update, im down to 199 in the morning, still bringing in 1200-1300 calories and doing that power 90 work out

    I would encourage you to see a doctor and/or dietician. Your intake is VERY low. It would be low for a woman, and it's too low for a man. If you're really maintaining on 1800 calories then you ought to make sure you don't have underlying health issues.

    Also you never answered my question about whether you are weighing your food. If you're estimating then you may be eating more than you think, which would be a good thing in your case.

    Sorry no, not weighing the food. Just going by what the packaging says. If it says a cup of rice is 400 calories, then I guess a cup of rice is 400 calories.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    update, im down to 199 in the morning, still bringing in 1200-1300 calories and doing that power 90 work out

    I would encourage you to see a doctor and/or dietician. Your intake is VERY low. It would be low for a woman, and it's too low for a man. If you're really maintaining on 1800 calories then you ought to make sure you don't have underlying health issues.

    Also you never answered my question about whether you are weighing your food. If you're estimating then you may be eating more than you think, which would be a good thing in your case.

    Sorry no, not weighing the food. Just going by what the packaging says. If it says a cup of rice is 400 calories, then I guess a cup of rice is 400 calories.

    Well volume measurements are better than eyeballing, but weighing is better. I'll give you an example from today. I was making bread. The flour package says a serving is 1/4 cup (30 grams). So for a full cup it should be 120 grams. But I measured out what I would normally put in as a cup and it turned out to be over 150 grams, which is an extra 100 calories. The recipe called for 3 cups of flour, so my recipe would have been off by 300 calories just from going by volume instead of weight.

    Rice is worse, especially if you measure it after it's cooked, because the volume changes with cooking and it's not always the same. I made one of those boxed mixes when we first started counting calories. The package said there were 3 servings in the box and that 1 serving cooked was 1 cup. So when it was done I measured out a cup for me and a cup for my husband, looked down and there was almost none left. It hadn't changed enough in volume with cooking to make 3 cups. So now I divide the cooked rice into three equal servings and it comes to about 2/3 of a cup.

    Anyway that's actually good news because it means you're probably eating more than you think and your intake might not be as low as it seems. How's your progress going?
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    198 lbs in the morning and 18 percent body fat. So weight hasnt changed much but i can fit in size 35 jeans now. I think when this thread started I was still in 38. So the extra weight must be water or muscle, dunno.
  • pro17
    pro17 Posts: 10
    195 pounds and 17%
    slow