It is really as simple as cals in minus cals out?

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  • cwaters120
    cwaters120 Posts: 354 Member
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    For weight loss it is cals in vs cals out, but body composition (which you seem to be asking about) is a different thing, that is where macros and resistance training come into play. As far as fitting into a specific size (like size 0), I believe that is a different thing again -- skeletal structure (height, hip width) will prevent some people from getting small enough to be certain sizes. Clothing size designations have nothing to do with health IMO.

    THIS ^^^ so totally true.
  • popsicklestar
    popsicklestar Posts: 166 Member
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    In a way it is, but I would also factor in exercise, macro ratios and the nutrition quality of the foods you're eating. I've worked out consistently for a long time, but I didn't drop that extra 20 pounds until I put my diet in check.
  • mjschumacher100
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    In answer to your question, is it calories in/calories out?

    Yes.

    and

    No.

    If your maintenance is 2500 and you drop 500 for a week (barring any major illness or allergies) you will lose weight. Now here's where it gets complicated. There are two things to consider.

    1. Metabolic adaptation
    2. Composition.

    First, your metabolism will adapt to your calorie intake, over time your 500 cals dropped will not help with weight loss, you'll either need to up cardio or drop more calories. And repeat. This is why dropping 500 cals is crazy, drop 100, drop the lowest amount you can to still lose weight. If that's 0.1kg a week then fine. Because if you drop 500 cals now, what happens in 6 weeks? Another 500? Then what? Before you know it you'll be doing 12 hours of cardio a day and eating a stick of celery :)

    Second, your composition matters a lot. I could drop 10 pounds pretty easily but I want to make sure I retain muscle whilst keeping fat low. So my macros count a lot. If I just ate 100% carbs (for example) I might lose weight if I'm in a cal deficit but over a few weeks I will look like crap.

    So Macros are super important. If you don't get them right not only will you not lose fat as efficiently but you'll look a lot worse than you would if you took a few minutes to figure out what you should be hitting.
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
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    I am 5'5
    I don't have a food scale, my husband would consider that to be something that would be a no no I think in our house hold. I have had ED issues in the past, and that I still struggle with so to actually have grams to my food would maybe not be so wonderful. You see a lot of 1 cup or 1/2 cup because that's the measuring cups that I own.
    I will start by upping my protein and maybe adding in weights to see if that's the trick. Possibly up my calories I have been readin around and it looks like I'm on the low end.

    So basically even thought I am working out doing Insanity and I feel like I am eating right and following close to what MFP has layed out I'm somehow still doing it wrong. Very frustrating indeed.
  • __Di__
    __Di__ Posts: 1,630 Member
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    I am 5'5
    I don't have a food scale, my husband would consider that to be something that would be a no no I think in our house hold. I have had ED issues in the past, and that I still struggle with so to actually have grams to my food would maybe not be so wonderful. You see a lot of 1 cup or 1/2 cup because that's the measuring cups that I own.
    I will start by upping my protein and maybe adding in weights to see if that's the trick. Possibly up my calories I have been readin around and it looks like I'm on the low end.

    So basically even thought I am working out doing Insanity and I feel like I am eating right and following close to what MFP has layed out I'm somehow still doing it wrong. Very frustrating indeed.

    That's a shame that you cannot have a food scale.

    When guessing some foods, the difference in what you think the calories are and what they truly are can amount to hundreds, especially in foods such as spreads and high calorie foods.
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
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    I guess one would help, I feel like my mental health is also important as my physical health. I have had a very unhappy relationship with food in the past and I want to not just have a healthy body but mind. I should be happy I have lost and kept off 80lbs for several years I am just now getting into wanting to really tone up.
    I lost the weight on a low carb paleo diet. 1238 calories a day 80 carbs, 52 fat and 103 protien. I did that for several years religiously and then I started to have digestive issues metabolizing meat and became vegan. I ended up having issues and whatnot that I wont get into on a public forum but needless to say oI have since been able to up my calories to a steady 1800 a day with no weight gain (doing it slowly over several months)
    It's not important to me to drop weight, I want to lean out I guess is the best way to explain it. I just was curious about the calories in vs out formula being a constant.
    I maybe overestimating my calories.. I have a heart rate monitor so at least I know my calories out is accurate.
  • wild_wild_life
    wild_wild_life Posts: 1,334 Member
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    I am 5'5
    I don't have a food scale, my husband would consider that to be something that would be a no no I think in our house hold. I have had ED issues in the past, and that I still struggle with so to actually have grams to my food would maybe not be so wonderful. You see a lot of 1 cup or 1/2 cup because that's the measuring cups that I own.
    I will start by upping my protein and maybe adding in weights to see if that's the trick. Possibly up my calories I have been readin around and it looks like I'm on the low end.

    So basically even thought I am working out doing Insanity and I feel like I am eating right and following close to what MFP has layed out I'm somehow still doing it wrong. Very frustrating indeed.

    I wouldn't say you have been doing it wrong. If you want to get lean/muscular, though, you will need to do things a bit differently. It is possible to just lose enough fat that you simply uncover the muscle you already have, but if your diet is low in protein, you are losing a disproportionate amount of muscle along with fat when you lose weight.

    If you've never lifted weights before, you can make a lot of progress and gain strength even eating at a deficit if you eat enough protein (1g/lb lean body mass) and follow a good strength training program with progressive overload. Its pretty easy to do and I bet that will get you closer to the look you want. I am vegetarian so I get a lot of protein from Greek yogurt, but you can get protein from soy products, beans, and vegan protein powder -- there are a lot of good rice, pea, and hemp protein powders and that is a really easy, convenient way to do it.

    If you have specific questions about how to start, you might try posting your questions in this group, they are generally pretty helpful and knowledgable.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10118-eat-train-progress
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
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    I have a bad diet?
  • j6o4
    j6o4 Posts: 871 Member
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    For weight loss it is cals in vs cals out, but body composition (which you seem to be asking about) is a different thing, that is where macros and resistance training come into play. As far as fitting into a specific size (like size 0), I believe that is a different thing again -- skeletal structure (height, hip width) will prevent some people from getting small enough to be certain sizes. Clothing size designations have nothing to do with health IMO.

    Ignore everyone else and listen to her ^^
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
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    birth control ballooned me up like I was already pregnant. I hate that *kitten*.......

    Yep--the reason why a LOT of women gain weight on the birth control pill is that it shuts down a woman's ovulatory cycle (which it was designed to do). Natural progesterone (which peaks at ovulation) is a metabolism enhancer. No ovulation, no natural progesterone and the metabolism enhancing effects are gone. The synthetic progestins contained in the birth control pill, do not perform the same in a woman's bio-chemistry. :frown: Synthetic progestins are highly suspected of causing cancer. I personally believe it is behind the virtual (and unmentioned) epidemic of breast cancer among women in their 20s and 30s (many of whom have been on the birth control pill since they were young teenagers). It used to be extremely rare among women in that age grouping. I am acquainted with five women (or their relatives) who are (or were) in their late 20s or early 30s who have breast cancer or who have died of it (breast cancer is particularly lethal in such young women). Some experts believe that the longer a woman is on birth control medication, the higher her risk of developing breast and reproductive cancers. The pharmaceutical houses COULD have used bio-identical progesterone in their birth control formulations, but since natural substances are not patentable, they decided to use $ynthetic proge$tin$ instead. :angry:

    Here is a link to a woman's health website that discusses natural bio-identical progesterone vs. synthetic progestins and it cites the many research papers which are pertinent to the issue. http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com/research-bioidentical-natural-progesterone-vs-synthetic-progestins/
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
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    I've never had any problem with weight gain on my birth control. I am just curious if that's why the last few lbs are holding on. I have known some women to gain weight taking the pill but I think it can be a really personal thing. I have been on some form of birth control for 14 years now. I take it because of the intense pain I get when I menstruate.
    I will look into some studies. I am thinking of going on a non hormone birth control but i'm not sure how comfortable I am with an IUD
  • mbirawaffle
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    I've worked out consistently for a long time, but I didn't drop that extra 20 pounds until I put my diet in check.

    ^^^^^^^REALITY!!!!
    Lose fat in the kitchen, gain muscle in the gym.

    The "return on investment" for cardio is not worth it. The amount of time it takes to really burn off calories is a lot. Running is one of the quickest ways: 100 cals per mile, plus or minus. If you do a 12 minute mile, and ran for an hour, you would have burned around 500 calories...only FIVE HUNDRED for all that work!

    I am not saying to NOT do any cardio, just don't count on it making you lose weight. Do that in the kitchen.
  • spirit05
    spirit05 Posts: 204 Member
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    I will never be a size zero, it would be scary if I was. My hips and frame would not fit in a zero even if I lost all my excess weight. So, yes, it is true that genetically it is just not possible for some people to be a size zero.

    Whether you can or not, I don't know. Just be the best "you" you can be, whatever your size.

    ^^THIS!
    I was an athlete all through school and was a size 10/12 from the age of 12, because I have hips. I could never imagine being a zero, in fact at this point I would be happy at a 14.
  • DenyseMarieL
    DenyseMarieL Posts: 673 Member
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    I find clothing sizes to be very misleading, anyway. What, exactly, is size zero? In one store, I am a size 8 pants. In another, I am a size 5. In another, a size 3. My daughters, at ages 16 and 13 shopped at Stitches. One was a zero, and the other one a 2. Me? I tried on jeans and the size 10 was a bit tight. Wtf? Don't go by size. Look at your body in the mirror, notice those changes. The curve of a muscle, the tightness of another. Not the scale. Not sizes.

    I would have to say it's a combination of fitness, diet and a positive attitude. Life is too short, people. Just too short.
  • Hezzietiger1
    Hezzietiger1 Posts: 1,256 Member
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    ur probably not going to be a size 0, ever. I disagree with some and think macros are important. Also types of foods are important. If I were you, I'd drop my calories some, increase my protein, drop my carbs, weigh and measure everything, eat clean, and watch the sodium.
  • madmiya
    madmiya Posts: 66 Member
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    no but yes
    i mean, no its not all as simple as that but it will do.
    if you follow cals in vs cals out youre likely to find success but
    that doesnt account for quality of cals, nutrition and water retention.
    im sure theres a ton of other factors too but start with the cals in cals out.
    thats good stuff.
  • darwinwoodka
    darwinwoodka Posts: 322 Member
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    Add in some weight training and adjust your macros to add more protein. You can add pea protein and whey protein pretty easily. As you build more lean muscle mass your body will start to look leaner.
  • breadangel38
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    That is really what it is all about, but there needs to be some additional understanding. If you cut calories, it is critical that you are not cutting essential nutrients. I take a multi-vitamin daily, vitamin d and vit B12 when I am cutting calories. I seem to lose weight faster and am satiated with the food I am eating.
  • breadangel38
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    I am on a special program for health purposes and count my calories every day. Some things that work for me, (1) a scale that measures in grams is very useful. It sits on my counter at all times, along with measuring cups and spoons, (2) I love Trader Joe's food. Everything has an accurate calorie count on it and there are many on the food data base on MFP. (3) Lesson taught by my coach--I am either eating (3 x day) or fasting (the rest of the time. No grazing.

    By the way, as you can see by my screen name and photo, I make bread, as a hobby. While I love it, I must limit myself to 60 gms a day (size of a roll), to keep the calories down. I still make it and give it away. Neighbors love it and I take some to the homeless, who are so thankful.