TDEE and BMR

Hello everyone,

I hope this post finds you all doing well. I am writing as I am very confused on TDEE and BMR. I have read other post that have dealt with this subject- with hopes of not asking the same question as so many other people, but I am still confused. Let me give you a little information about myself. I started a little over 411 lbs and I was at 310 the last time I weighed myself (I will need to do that again soon to see where I am now). I still would like to lose about 135lbs, I am 5 foot 7, and a 29 y/o female....I really think I am going to do it this time as I am motivated about being healthier....and I think that is what is going to keep me going! My current workout schedule is: Monday: walk 3.5 miles (over the course of three breaks at work)/gym for a small bit of cardio (15 minutes) and strength training for 45min, Tuesday : walk 3.5 miles, Wednesday: Swim for 1 hour, sometimes I get a small walk in, Thursday: Walk 3.5 miles/gym for cardio and strength training, Friday: walk 3.5 miles, and Saturday cardio/strength training for 1 hour.

I am trying to figure out how many calories I need. Some days I feel very tired and weak and I think it may be due to not enough food. I get so confused about net calorie need vs. overall calorie need, eating back your exercise calories vs. not eating back your exercise calories, TDEE/BMR- etc...it gets overwhelming sometimes! In addition, I find myself binging more on days that I work out hard (burn around 1000-1200 calories) and I would like to work on curbing this by nourishing my body in an appropriate manner.

I know I have done something right as I have lost a little over 100lbs since October 2012, but I want to be sure I am taking care of my body the way it needs to be taken care of....I have gotten down the exercise so far, but I question if I am nourishing my body that way it needs to be nourished. I want to make sure I give my body what it needs so I can make it run optimally, keep up taking care of myself, and continue this for the rest of my life.

Any advice or guidance would be very appreciated. I have seen so much success on this site and I would love to learn from all of you!

Thank you so much!

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  • deanjou59
    deanjou59 Posts: 737 Member
    Anyone? Please :flowerforyou:
  • strum261
    strum261 Posts: 30 Member
    Way to go so far. I went on www.scoobyworkshop.com, I found that website very informative and helpful. I know all this info is very confusing. I think you're doing a great job losing weight, and if you find what works, use it. As far as being tired some days, it's probably not enough food. I find a higher protein diet works a little better for me. I know I am not super strict, but I try to do better and better each day. Good luck and keep up the great work
  • deanjou59
    deanjou59 Posts: 737 Member
    Thank you so much my dear. I appreciate your kind words and encouragement. I will check out that website!
  • dittmarml
    dittmarml Posts: 351 Member
    What does MFP have you "set" at for calorie goals?

    TDEE is your total daily expenditure - it is an ESTIMATE (like all of these) for what you burn _on average_ (meaning there can be significant deviations from day to day based on how active you are) and generally represents your total output. IF you were eating exactly what you are expending every day you would be "weight neutral" - not gaining or losing.

    BMR is what your body needs to maintain basic metabolic functions - eating, sleeping, heart rate, breathing, GI activity, cellular activity, etc. It's your body at rest.

    Losing weight requires you to eat somewhere between TDEE ("neutral") and BMR (basic requirements). In other words you have to eat on average below your total daily expenditure and above your BMR - you can eat below your BMR but over time that'll make you quite ill.

    With regard to nutrion, you need protein, fat, carbs - then micronutrients - iron, potassium, sodium, calcium, etc. MFP allow you to track some of these.

    MFP asks you to put in your own estimate of your activity level, height, weight, age - these are the major drivers of the estimate it gives you for what you need to lose weight. It has deficit built in so if you exercise and eat back your calories you're still eating at deficit and will lose weight over time.

    Hope this helps.
  • Great job on losing over 100! Don't stop!

    BMR is total calories needed to remain in a coma.. no activity.
    TDEE is adding everything you do in the day.. When you get out of bed, to brushing your teeth, to working out.. that makes your BMR + calories expended from daily activities = to your TDEE.

    Once you know that, you subtract a few hundred to lose weight, as this is your true energy output every day.

    Don't go too low when dieting.. slow weight loss by eating more is the best way. It will keep results moving along and help you avoid plateaus.
  • deanjou59
    deanjou59 Posts: 737 Member
    Thank you guys so much! This really is helpful.

    MFP has me set at a little over 1900......yesterday, I netted 612 calories, but I ate 1700 total....but most of that was burned off from my walking and gym time which was why I had a net of 612.

    I just wanted to make sure the next of 612 was not too low. I get so confused and this is something I want to be able to keep up for the rest of my life....and I want to make sure I am nourishing my body.

    Do you guys have any idea of the lowest amount of calories you should have for your net- or does that not matter?
  • trisH_7183
    trisH_7183 Posts: 1,486 Member
    You've had a good explanation of your TDEE & BMR.I have to read up on the numbers myself,even tho I do know basic info.

    Just wanted to say you are doing great in eating healthy/losing weight! Hope you will share what has worked for you,tips,food etc.We all need to hear the good news from a loser. :flowerforyou:
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    BMR - Basal Metabolic Rate...the rate at which you'd burn calories just being alive and not moving an inch

    TDEE - Total Daily Energy Expenditure....total calories burned in a given day, all activity, including exercise.

    NEAT - Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis...The calories you burn just living, going to work, the store, etc...calories burned WITHOUT exercise.

    BMR + NEAT + Exercise = TDEE

    There are two primary methods of calorie counting; these are the NEAT method (MFP) and the TDEE method. As you can see from the formula above, your NEAT does not include exercise. So, a NEAT method calculator like MFP is going to give you a calorie goal for weight loss that does NOT include exercise in your activity level. As such, any exercise you do becomes an extra activity...therefore, you're supposed to eat back most of those exercise calories to fuel that activity.

    As you can see from the formula above, if you use the TDEE method, exercise IS included in your activity level. Therefore, a TDEE calculator is going to give you a calorie goal for weight loss that assumes you're performing all of your exercises on a regular basis and being consistent about it. If you calculate your TDEE based on 5 hours of exercise per week, but only exercise 2 hours per week, your formula is flawed and you aren't going to see any progress.

    If you do these correctly, they really come out 6 of 1, half dozen of the other. For example, when I was doing MFP, my NET calorie goal was 1,850 calories per day to lose 1 Lb per week. On average I burned about 300 calories per day (roughly 70% of what my HRM says I burned to account for estimation error)...so, 1,850 calories + 300 = 2150 gross calories (but I'm still netting 1,850).

    Now, my TDEE (an average of light active and moderate active) is about 2650. TDEE - 20% for roughly 1 Lb per week weight loss is 2650 - 530 = 2,120 gross calories.

    As you can see, the difference between those two methods is a mere 30 calories. So like I said, when done properly it really is 6 of 1.

    Common pitfalls of the NEAT method are underestimating intake and overestimating burn. A lot of people use databases to log their calorie burns from exercise, and these are often very far off from reality and people over eat because of it and stall their progress. The NEAT method has it's benefits though in that it is easier for someone who is inconsistent with their fitness plan, misses workouts regularly, etc in that exercise isn't required with the NEAT method for weight loss.

    The TDEE method is often easier for people who have a routine fitness plan and consistent calorie burns...pretty much set it and forget it kind of thing. That said, it becomes easily flawed if you get lazy in your exercise...get injured...otherwise miss workouts on a routine basis because the method assumes you are doing everything you said you were doing when you set your activity level.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Thank you guys so much! This really is helpful.

    MFP has me set at a little over 1900......yesterday, I netted 612 calories, but I ate 1700 total....but most of that was burned off from my walking and gym time which was why I had a net of 612.

    I just wanted to make sure the next of 612 was not too low. I get so confused and this is something I want to be able to keep up for the rest of my life....and I want to make sure I am nourishing my body.

    Do you guys have any idea of the lowest amount of calories you should have for your net- or does that not matter?

    612 net is too low...you're supposed to net to 1900 or thereabouts with the MFP method...see my explanation above, in particular the part about MFP being a NEAT method calculator. Being that you have a lot to lose still, you can get away with this more than someone who is leaner, but it's still not really healthy. Netting anything below 1000 - 1200 calories should really be done under doctors supervision only.
  • deanjou59
    deanjou59 Posts: 737 Member
    Thank you all so much! This has been extremely helpful. I have upped my calories and I am going to see how this makes me feel and works out for me! I had much more energy for my workout today- so that is a good start!! :)

    I appreciate all your help and feedback! :flowerforyou:

    Also- thank you for the scooby site- that helped a lot!
  • coffee4me57
    coffee4me57 Posts: 195
    First of all, congratulations on your weight loss so far! I too was confused about BMR and TDEE and it seemed the more I read the more confused I got. So I bought a Fitbit Zip at Target and synced it to MFP. After wearing it for two weeks, my average TDEE is 1900. I want to lose about a pound a week so I need to create a calorie deficit of 500 per day. So eat about 1400 per day or 500 calories less than my calories burned . I love my Zip!!!!
    Good luck on your continued journey!
  • deanjou59
    deanjou59 Posts: 737 Member
    Thank you so much coffee :) And, thank you to everyone. I upped my calories and I am feeling better- not as weak and more energetic.
    I also had a 2.8lb loss this AM when I weighed in, so I think it is a success :) Thanks for the help!
  • pamelasue1949
    pamelasue1949 Posts: 15 Member
    Understand your confusion. I too agree with all of the different calorie counts, BMI, & BMR,
    Go to your Dr. and let him/her set your calorie goals. You insert them here and go according. There are several BMI charts on the internet and they vary. Just start with one chart and finish your weight loss with that chart. The many I have seen or maybe off tenths of point. No big deal.
    Your food choices again can come from your Dr. But if you plan to go by calories, grams, carbs, whatever...just pick one that is good for you. I see you have loss 100 #... congrats.
    As i have silent reflux, or aic reflux, I went with the acid free diet. Everything it says I can eat, I try it and eat by counting calories. Some of the foods upset my system so I keep a list of those and not eat them again.
    I eat 6 meals a day, spreading my 1200 calories out along with the 3 meals and and 4 snacks. No foods after 6pm. Drink at least 8 glasses of water daily (64oz). No processed or fast foods. Ok food items are vegetables, 4 oz meal, turkey, chicken and fish (seafood) etc and lean beef. Chew your food so it digests easily. No sugar, flour, cereal, potato, rice, caffeine, chocolate. Don't waste your calories eating crap.
    Binging not good, but keep it to ever so a minimum....I call that cheat days-maybe once a week. Keep your snacks to 100 calories or less. No carbonated drinks.
    Again I don't know if you are counting carbs, and if so, the potatoes, rice, bread, flour,pasta are wasted carbs. Eat veggies & salads instead.
    When we exercise, the charting on this app adds calories to your daily count. I don't eat those extra calories cause I am trying to lose wt not maintain my wt.
    Hope this helped.