Oh crap! I think im becoming a Vegan!!

I tried it for 6 months and I liked it, but never felt noticably better or lost any weight because of it (unlike the young lady in the office next to mine who became all willowy as a vegan). I actually gained several pounds, somehow, which was discouraging.... But it did kinda change my perception of ordinary ol' vegetarians, as in "You eat eggs and cheese and think you're not eating meat?" Animal products are, ahem, the PRODUCTS of ANIMALS.

But then my son came back from school and he's a meat-eater, so.

But is the quality of protein in beans etc. equal to animal product protein? Is it as absorbable?

I'm asking only out of curiosity since I have given up on eating red meat since last year and I'm not a fan of fish either.

You need to make sure that you get your proteins from a variety of sources to ensure a complete amino acid profile, but if you do, it is fine.

Some vegan complete proteins are nutritional yeast and hemp seeds.

^Exactly! And, it's not necessary that you combined all those in one meal. The combination can be done over the course of the day through all your meals.

well its not even just protein or the complete amino profile. How much of the EAAs are in there? There really aren't that much.

There actually are in some - specially if you combine correctly. However, it is harder to do, especially when on a calorie restriction.

If you look at many, they are only 'lacking' in one of the EAAs to make them complete.

but how much?
its like saying there is fat in X. it only has .5g of fat

I am not going to go through every single plant based protein source. However, lets take one example.

Soybeans. They would be complete except for Methionine and Cycteine.

You need 42mg/kg/day of leucine per the RDA (which I admit probably understates optimal requirement, but for the sake of math I am going with it). So for a 150lb person, that would be 2,863mg.

Soybeans have 0.57g in 1 cup (97g). So you would need 5 cups = 487g = 395 calories. Not bad, even if you double it to account for the RDA being too low.


I am using soybeans as an example - there are many plant based sources that have more.


To make up for the methionine and cycteine, you can have oats and broccoli in your diet.

Yea you are right. I keep forgetting this is not a bodybuilding forum tbh.

Sorry, you lost me on that one

I think I accidentally deleted the rest of it.

Leucine wouldn't be as big of a factor for the average person on a forum such as this. On a bodybuilding forum they focus more on the amino acid complex to optimize muscle building and retention of higher than average muscle.

Layne talks about maximization of MPS with leucine and I know it is still controversial.
he talked about 3g per meal which is not attainable for the average person.

Since this isn't a full out bodybuilding forum it isn't necessary for the normal person to focus on such a thing.
http://agro-food-industry.teknoscienze.com/pdf/norton_AF2_09.PDF

That 3g rings a bell. How could you not get that based on the math I just did? Obviously, it will be much harder, especially at a deficit, but it is do-able. However, as you say, it's less relevant for the more recreational lifter/dieter.

I tried it for 6 months and I liked it, but never felt noticably better or lost any weight because of it (unlike the young lady in the office next to mine who became all willowy as a vegan). I actually gained several pounds, somehow, which was discouraging.... But it did kinda change my perception of ordinary ol' vegetarians, as in "You eat eggs and cheese and think you're not eating meat?" Animal products are, ahem, the PRODUCTS of ANIMALS.

But then my son came back from school and he's a meat-eater, so.

Sorry, put your complaint into the Vegetarian Society, the Oxford dictionary and others as to the definition of a vegetarian.

How will you get your protein?????

How will you get your protein?????

You don't have to eat meat to get protein. Protein is in everything we eat and our body does marvelous things to break it all down and create the protein we need. Also, there is an abundance of food that is not meat that is incredibly protein dense. These include legumes, such as chickpeas and kidney beans, tofu, quinoa, nuts and seeds, avocado, lentils, brown rice, barley, and spinach even. The list goes on and on.

I know I was being sarcastic with the OP! I was Vegan for four years! :-)

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Oh! That protein question is so tiresome as you are obviously aware! haha!

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LOL, i love this!!! I'm a vegetarian and I get so annoyed when people ask me that. Just because something doesn't have PARENTS doesn't mean it doesn't have protein...GAWD!

To point out..I know I will ask because there are many people that don't think about what they will need to supplement their protein. A lot of vegetarians I've come across admit to that mistake and will even ask this question themselves of new people to get them thinking about being aware of their complete nutritional needs.

Understandable. However (being devil's advocate), there are tons of people who eat meat but don't get "appropriate" amounts of protein (and get less than a lot of vegetarians/vegans because they tend to actually pay attention to it), but no one ever asks them about their protein intake.

How will you get your protein?????