Please help- I'm all over the place

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jaz050465
jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
Over the years I have tried everything. For the past year I've tried MFP calculations, scooby calculator, BMF and fitbit. All give me very different TDEEs but I don't seem to be able to lose weight. I am within my healthy weight range so have tried a deficit of 500 but then every so often I binge (only mini binge) and lose any deficit I had. I am constantly gaining and losing the same few pounds.

I then throw myself into exercise and am so stiff that I can't do anything for a few days. I want to do alternate days of C25K and strength training but lack of weight loss demotivated me to do this too.

I want it to work but have totally lost confidence in ever losing weight. I also don't know what to believe in terms of my TDEE and what deficit to have so I don't know how many calories to eat.

I am 47, 5 ft 7 and weight about 148 pounds. I have a small frame though and am about 36 % body fat.

I am really getting depressed by this. I am going on a beach holiday in three weeks and I really wanted to be about 10 pounds lighter when I booked it last year. I haven't really lost anything.
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  • dlh04
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    You are not alone, I am similar size, exercise, weight loss/gain etc. It is vital to stick at it but I think feeling bad and going over the same gain/loss is disheartening. I don't know the answer but we both need advice on how to break the cycle. Just don't imagine you are the only one to have this problem.
  • jaz050465
    jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
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    Thanks. Let's hope someone can give advice.
  • melaniecheeks
    melaniecheeks Posts: 6,349 Member
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    How accurate is your diary?

    At your height and weight I'm guessing your bmi isn't too far off the healthy range - I know its only a rough guide , but it would indicate that you don't have much to lose, so you need to be smart.

    What exercise are you doing currently? Its unlikely you'll be able to lose 10 pounds in 3 weeks, but a good exercise programme will show improvement in that time.
  • Leahsz
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    You sound a little 'all or nothing' - I've always been the same, until MFP. Try a smaller deficit since you're close to goal - you'll be more likely to stick to it. And start working out twice a week maybe and build from there - don't try and work out every day. Someone else probably has better advice, but this is what's working for me - start small.
  • jaz050465
    jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
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    How accurate is your diary?

    At your height and weight I'm guessing your bmi isn't too far off the healthy range - I know its only a rough guide , but it would indicate that you don't have much to lose, so you need to be smart.

    What exercise are you doing currently? Its unlikely you'll be able to lose 10 pounds in 3 weeks, but a good exercise programme will show improvement in that time.

    Not been tracking recently but before then it was VERY accurate. As leahsz said , I am a very all or nothing person so I am either doing C25k alternating with strength training, or nothing.

    I know I won't lose that wright now- I would be happy losing two or three pounds in a month- as long as it stayed off.
  • jaz050465
    jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
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    It's the picking a TDEE bit I find difficult. I get different values from online calculators, MFP, fitbit and BMF. Then there's the question of deficit. Many people say as I'm in my healthy range it should be 500 or less but when using BMF, that didnt work. With two sets of variables - how do I know where to start? Then when I adjust if it doesn't work, do I go up or down?
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
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    You could look to getting your BMR tested.

    But it generally will cost you a bit.

    Or if you are eating x and your weight consistently stays the same, x is your TDEE.

    What strength training do you do?

    I'd certainly be tempted to try and focus on doing that for a while, with eating a little below some TDEE figure and making sure you get plenty of protein.
  • jaz050465
    jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
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    You could look to getting your BMR tested.

    But it generally will cost you a bit.

    Or if you are eating x and your weight consistently stays the same, x is your TDEE.

    What strength training do you do?

    I'd certainly be tempted to try and focus on doing that for a while, with eating a little below some TDEE figure and making sure you get plenty of protein.


    I have registered for 5k run in August and am doing C25k programme. I want to alternate it with strength training.

    I have tried chalean Extreme, body by you (you are your own gym) , body Revolution and 30DS. I don't want to join a gym and haven't got room for a squat rack so can't do a heavy lifting programme. I'd like advice on which of the above would be best. If I did BR or CE, I'd take out the mainly cardio workouts.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
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    It's the picking a TDEE bit I find difficult. I get different values from online calculators, MFP, fitbit and BMF. Then there's the question of deficit. Many people say as I'm in my healthy range it should be 500 or less but when using BMF, that didnt work. With two sets of variables - how do I know where to start? Then when I adjust if it doesn't work, do I go up or down?

    I really isn't your calculations that are causing you problems - it sounds like you struggle to adhere to your regime for any length of time.

    Just pick a number and stick to it. Log accurately and find an exercise program that you enjoy and will keep doing. After a period of time you might have to (or want to...) adjust your calorie goal based on results.

    The reason you keep losing and gaining the same few pounds is that you are close to maintenance level so when your food intake or exercise varies your weight inevitably does too.

    The good news is that you really only need to make a small lifestyle change to tip the balance. That might be food choices or simply portion control.
  • jaz050465
    jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
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    It's the picking a TDEE bit I find difficult. I get different values from online calculators, MFP, fitbit and BMF. Then there's the question of deficit. Many people say as I'm in my healthy range it should be 500 or less but when using BMF, that didnt work. With two sets of variables - how do I know where to start? Then when I adjust if it doesn't work, do I go up or down?

    I really isn't your calculations that are causing you problems - it sounds like you struggle to adhere to your regime for any length of time.

    Just pick a number and stick to it. Log accurately and find an exercise program that you enjoy and will keep doing. After a period of time you might have to (or want to...) adjust your calorie goal based on results.

    The reason you keep losing and gaining the same few pounds is that you are close to maintenance level so when your food intake or exercise varies your weight inevitably does too.

    The good news is that you really only need to make a small lifestyle change to tip the balance. That might be food choices or simply portion control.

    You're right. I suppose I struggle sticking to anything as I'm never sure if I'm doing the right thing. How long should I stick to a regime before I adjust it?
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
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    You're right. I suppose I struggle sticking to anything as I'm never sure if I'm doing the right thing. How long should I stick to a regime before I adjust it?

    When I was changing over from weight loss to maintenance I just simply adjusted every month by custom setting my calorie goal.

    The other thing to think about is not just measuring progress by solely the number on your scales. Having measurement, fitness, health or strength goals really helps to give you a boost and keep you on track.
  • jaz050465
    jaz050465 Posts: 3,508 Member
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    Thanks. I'll think this all through.
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
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    I have registered for 5k run in August and am doing C25k programme. I want to alternate it with strength training.

    I have tried chalean Extreme, body by you (you are your own gym) , body Revolution and 30DS. I don't want to join a gym and haven't got room for a squat rack so can't do a heavy lifting programme. I'd like advice on which of the above would be best. If I did BR or CE, I'd take out the mainly cardio workouts.
    Anyone that can help you with the weights?
    My friend who's been doing weights at my place has to have me lift the weights on to her back, because the DIY power cage is setup for me - I could as well be lifting them from the floor.

    Adding weights to Cardio isn't really 'doing weights', it's just making cardio a bit harder - a big difference.

    At the moment I've been doing weights Monday/Wednesday/Friday and usually about an hour to an hour and a half running (depending on pace - 6 to 9 miles generally) on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

    But I'd agree with the above, it does sound like you need some consistency - if you do something for a month and don't find the scales going down but otherwise find you're ok, I'd then look to lower calories a chunk personally (I know that isn't popular around here.)
  • JesterMFP
    JesterMFP Posts: 3,596 Member
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    You're right. I suppose I struggle sticking to anything as I'm never sure if I'm doing the right thing. How long should I stick to a regime before I adjust it?
    How about: stop doing "regimes"?! No wonder your mind is rebelling. Physical deprivation can cause binges. Psychological deprivation can cause binges. It's normal. For some people, this is more of a risk than for others, but the process of dieting can seriously mess up people's relationship with food. If you're binging (however mini; the point is you feel out of control with it) then that's a clear sign that what you're doing isn't working. You don't need to get more will power, or get more motivation, you need to find a different way. You say "I'm a very all or nothing person". Well - maybe you need to try to do things differently.

    By cutting 500 calories a day, you're aiming for 1 lb a week of fat loss, which is not realistic or recommended for someone who is already a healthy weight. And clearly, it's not working for you psychologically. Try a smaller deficit - like 250 calories. Forget your 3 week deadline, in fact try not to have deadlines at all. Accept that you're not 10 lbs lighter than you'd hoped you would be, and don't let that ruin your holiday.

    Stop "throwing yourself into things". Make small, gradual changes, that you know you can sustain. Eat the foods you like, just make sure you're consuming a little less energy than you're expending. Find exercise that you enjoy. I can't recommend the C25k highly enough, but only do it if you enjoy it. Don't force yourself to do things that become a chore. Weight loss/maintenance is hard, but don't make it harder than it needs to be.

    Forget the number on the scale, and forget using that as your motivation to continue something. If you aren't already, start measuring your body, and taking progress photos.

    Given that you have a relatively high body fat % for your weight, you need to be able to lose fat while maintaining the lean mass that you have. Strength training is going to be key to getting the body that it sounds like you're after. Again, stop making it about "weight". The number the scale tells you when you step on it already puts you in the healthy range for your height, so you can tick that box. Focus on body fat % now. (Just as a side note - if you're getting your fat % from your scale, they can be wildly inaccurate). For strength, check out the New Rules of Lifting For Women, or Starting Strength, or Stronglifts 5x5. Maybe following a set programme would give you the motivational boost you need. Strength is not just important for getting the look you want though, it's really important for health, for maintaining muscle mass and bone density.

    You might find it helpful to read some of Lyle McDonald's articles where he talks about some of these issues. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/category/fat-loss/psychology-behavior-fat-loss

    Also, check out this MFP group: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/10067-eat-train-progress- There's a great thread on there if you want someone to estimate your body fat based on photos, and if you're really struggling with your numbers, they can help you out with that too.

    Finally, for a little inspiration from a couple of ladies in their 40s:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/903628-one-year-of-barbells-and-ice-cream-my-story-so-far-pics
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/709987-how-wrong-i-was-600-days-of-mfp-lotsa-pics
  • lambchoplewis
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    Thanks for the last few posts - I too am trying to maintain and did great for about a year. The month of May and now into June have been disasters. I have gained a few lbs back and fear the gain of all of it. I have been binging from depression and can only make 3 days max w/out a binge. I have to stop this now. Thx for the inspiration. This is my life!!!!
  • llener
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    I had a similar situation. I believe AGE has a lot to do with it. I too am in my mid-40's and is sucks to lose weight once you get to this point in your life. Look around at the ladies your age - we all have similar problems. I have always been an athlete. I have always had to be actively at the gym to keep the weight off (never been a "skinny" person, but always fit) and never had much of a size difference (6-8 most of my adult life) until I had a ski accident and had to have several leg/knee surgeries that kept my off my feet for nearly a year. 25 pounds later I finally was able to get into an exercise routine with a personal trainer. It took ONE full year to lose only 10 pounds! I was so bummed and depressed and wanted to give up several times. I did the 17 day diet which showed me a new way of eating so now I am very conscience of what I put in my mouth. Still I couldn't shift the last 15 pounds and I have been working my butt off (or so I thought). Recently I upped my cardio to 90 minutes a day and have taken up horseback riding as well as yoga. At first no weight loss, but slowly I noticed the muffin top go away. The scale did not budge during this time but my clothes became looser. I've added 30 day shred as well as some barbell classes into the mix over the past two weeks and guess what? Instantly I've lost 3 pounds! It is true the older you get the harder you have to work out. If you aren't loosing anything - push the cardio. I just make sure I get between 1100 - 1600 calories per day. And no I am not going into starvation mode! As long as you get the minimum and it's healthy calories you will be fine. I also work out 6 days a week. 4 pretty rigorous, and 2 not as much, and 1 totally off unless it's walking or riding.
  • vestarocks
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    Jester that was a very thoughtful reply. Thanks for the links. I will be checking them out.
  • mfbonafide
    mfbonafide Posts: 14 Member
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    Read the Beck Diet Solution Book, by Judith Beck. She also has a website beckdietsolution.com. I have made this book my new staple in my diet. She keeps me remembering to focus in the right places. So helpful. Your head has to be in line before your body can follow. At least that is what works for me.
    Good luck and give yourself a break.
    Margaret
  • freebirdjones
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    Over the years I have tried everything. For the past year I've tried MFP calculations, scooby calculator, BMF and fitbit. All give me very different TDEEs but I don't seem to be able to lose weight. I am within my healthy weight range so have tried a deficit of 500 but then every so often I binge (only mini binge) and lose any deficit I had. I am constantly gaining and losing the same few pounds.

    I then throw myself into exercise and am so stiff that I can't do anything for a few days. I want to do alternate days of C25K and strength training but lack of weight loss demotivated me to do this too.

    I want it to work but have totally lost confidence in ever losing weight. I also don't know what to believe in terms of my TDEE and what deficit to have so I don't know how many calories to eat.

    I am 47, 5 ft 7 and weight about 148 pounds. I have a small frame though and am about 36 % body fat.

    I am really getting depressed by this. I am going on a beach holiday in three weeks and I really wanted to be about 10 pounds lighter when I booked it last year. I haven't really lost anything.

    Take a few nights and read most or all of these links:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/983158-all-in-one-info-page-halp

    there is a link to a BMR calc, tell it you are sedentary, go onto mfp and use that as your cals & then eat back your exercise cals. If you tell it your active & eat them back well you have accounted for the burn twice and that's some ppls issue. but please read all of that info. It helped me lose 7 inches in one month :)
  • freebirdjones
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    I have registered for 5k run in August and am doing C25k programme. I want to alternate it with strength training.

    I have tried chalean Extreme, body by you (you are your own gym) , body Revolution and 30DS. I don't want to join a gym and haven't got room for a squat rack so can't do a heavy lifting programme. I'd like advice on which of the above would be best. If I did BR or CE, I'd take out the mainly cardio workouts.
    Anyone that can help you with the weights?
    My friend who's been doing weights at my place has to have me lift the weights on to her back, because the DIY power cage is setup for me - I could as well be lifting them from the floor.

    Adding weights to Cardio isn't really 'doing weights', it's just making cardio a bit harder - a big difference.

    At the moment I've been doing weights Monday/Wednesday/Friday and usually about an hour to an hour and a half running (depending on pace - 6 to 9 miles generally) on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

    But I'd agree with the above, it does sound like you need some consistency - if you do something for a month and don't find the scales going down but otherwise find you're ok, I'd then look to lower calories a chunk personally (I know that isn't popular around here.)

    go onto youtube and look for instructional videos for dumbbell squats and flys, etc. or msg me and I can. You can find a lot of weight exercises that you don't need a squat rack for. To work the shoulders, back, arms, core, legs, all over really and your body will thank you for it =)