Why are you a vegetarian?

I never said that vegetarians suffer from neurological conditions due to lack of B12. Most vegetarians consume animal products in some form or fashion, be it from dairy or eggs. VEGANS always have a problem with B12, supplemented or not.

I did not, when I was vegan.

How long were you a vegan? It take several years for your body's B12 stores to run out and manifest symptoms.

"If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, reported at the July 24-26 meeting of the Canadian Society of Animal Science in Montreal. Or, if those grains were exported, it would boost the U.S. trade balance by $80 billion a year, Pimentel estimated.

With only grass-fed livestock, individual Americans would still get more than the recommended daily allowance (RDA) of meat and dairy protein, according to Pimentel's report, "Livestock Production: Energy Inputs and the Environment."

...Which just goes to show intelligence does int equal common sense.

A lot of grain produced, especially in the UK lacks the protein content to be useful for milling etc, and therefore is only saleable as animal feed....

hmm.... the word of David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences or... wait who are you?

I never said that vegetarians suffer from neurological conditions due to lack of B12. Most vegetarians consume animal products in some form or fashion, be it from dairy or eggs. VEGANS always have a problem with B12, supplemented or not.

I did not, when I was vegan.

How long were you a vegan? It take several years for your body's B12 stores to run out and manifest symptoms.

I was a well supplemented vegan, as are many these days. I also never had a protein or iron deficiency... My b12 stores never "ran out", because they were consistently added to. The only people I know with b12 problems are NOT vegans. I know of one who used to, but no longer does, despite being a vegan for greater than 30 years.

My Vegan friend is also crazy. Coincidence?

Not really. Lack of B12 found only in animal products will eventually progress to neurological issues.

---Actually, you can't find B12 in animal products either except for the fact that the animals eat plants (unwashed) and pick up the B12 from dirt. Before humans started washing their produce, we got our B12 the same way. As a vegan, I'd rather take a supplement than eat dirt.

To the OP, in answer to your question, watch Earthlings on youtube or Forks Over Knives (for starters). There are lots of reasons to go veg, not the least of which is your health and the health of Planet Earth. It takes 13 lbs of grain to raise 1 lb of beef- imagine how many people we could feed if the elite (meateaters) let that grain go to the hungry? The single greatest cause of global warming is the methane gas produced by cattle. The runoff from meat and dairy farms is polluting the water supply. I could go on and on, but seriously, watch those documentaries and more to get you started.

To add to what you are saying, as I mentioned I was raised in a vegetarian community. I am an Indian and my family, extended family, husband's family - and many more such families within India have been vegetarians for generations. I am likely to conclude - forever. So far, there haven't been ANY neurological issues. We do not have any sort of health issues due to vegetarianism. Yes, I will admit, that many vegetarians eat lot of carbs. But thats because they are habituated to it and not because there aren't proteins within this diet. Nevertheless, I must say that even though my family's diet has been revolving around carbs - something that I am in the process of changing - there haven't been major issues so far. Older generations didnt even know about these essential micronutrients and vitamins.... what our generation knows...I don't claim to be a knowledgeable person in the area of nutrition, but I am just stating the facts..
I believe these vitamin deficiencies etc probably are happening mostly because of inadequate research on the subject before converting into a vegetarian... or probably because their body was conditioned to non-vegetarian way of living and functioned expecting that lifestyle to continue...

My Vegan friend is also crazy. Coincidence?

Not really. Lack of B12 found only in animal products will eventually progress to neurological issues.

---Actually, you can't find B12 in animal products either except for the fact that the animals eat plants (unwashed) and pick up the B12 from dirt. Before humans started washing their produce, we got our B12 the same way. As a vegan, I'd rather take a supplement than eat dirt.

To the OP, in answer to your question, watch Earthlings on youtube or Forks Over Knives (for starters). There are lots of reasons to go veg, not the least of which is your health and the health of Planet Earth. It takes 13 lbs of grain to raise 1 lb of beef- imagine how many people we could feed if the elite (meateaters) let that grain go to the hungry? The single greatest cause of global warming is the methane gas produced by cattle. The runoff from meat and dairy farms is polluting the water supply. I could go on and on, but seriously, watch those documentaries and more to get you started.

To add to what you are saying, as I mentioned I was raised in a vegetarian community. I am an Indian and my family, extended family, husband's family - and many more such families within India have been vegetarians for generations. I am likely to conclude - forever. So far, there haven't been ANY neurological issues. We do not have any sort of health issues due to vegetarianism. Yes, I will admit, that many vegetarians eat lot of carbs. But thats because they are habituated to it and not because there aren't proteins within this diet. Nevertheless, I must say that even though my family's diet has been revolving around carbs - something that I am in the process of changing - there haven't been major issues so far. Older generations didnt even know about these essential micronutrients and vitamins.... what our generation knows...I don't claim to be a knowledgeable person in the area of nutrition, but I am just stating the facts..
I believe these vitamin deficiencies etc probably are happening mostly because of inadequate research on the subject before converting into a vegetarian... or probably because their body was conditioned to non-vegetarian way of living and functioned expecting that lifestyle to continue...

I never said that vegetarians suffer from neurological conditions due to lack of B12. Most vegetarians consume animal products in some form or fashion, be it from dairy or eggs. VEGANS always have a problem with B12, supplemented or not.

READ My Page! Also, I am in this for HEALTH, not some philosophical reason like saving animals. Hey, when you are raised on meat, as MOST Humans are...YES, you will crave it. The GREAT thing about Humans is that WE have the ability NOT to give in to BASER Instincts, If we CHOOSE. So da Heyall with what I crave, it's about what I give into!

The more important question is, "Why are YOU a pus and mucus eater, YES, meat turns into pus in the human body and starch turns into mucus in the body if it is not a clean burning carb! This mucus and pus turns the body acidic and is the cause of ALL disease! If you did not know, NOW you know!!!

^^^Correct and I'll add a bit more- Hypoxanthine is a stimulant found in meat which is why people who are used to consuming it sometimes feel fatigued when they give it up. They usually attribute that feeling to lack of protein (why, of course!) and go back to their old diet habits. Likewise, casomorphone is a component of dairy which makes people feel good and is slightly addictive (why dairy is usually the hardest thing to give up- mmmm cheese). Once those addictions are broken, people usually do feel better unless they just continue to eat a bunch of junk phood.