NOT LOSING ANY WEIGHT! PLEAE HELP

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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    That's a really low calorie intake. Pretty low protein intake, too.

    ...Ahh. Alright then.

    Well I don't know what you want me to tell you. At your weight and that calorie intake, you must be basically sedentary all the time. That's going to below your BMR unless you're over 50.

    If you actually wanted any specific suggestions, open your diary so I can see what you're eating.

    So, you know how tall I am?

    Just estimating using the formulas. The taller you are for a given weight, the higher your BMR is going to be. If you were, say, 40 years old you would need to be about 4'6 or shorter for your [calculated] BMR to be under 1300. Maybe you're 4'6, I dunno.
  • naku
    naku Posts: 109 Member
    That's a really low calorie intake. Pretty low protein intake, too.

    ...Ahh. Alright then.

    Well I don't know what you want me to tell you. At your weight and that calorie intake, you must be basically sedentary all the time. That's going to below your BMR unless you're over 50.

    If you actually wanted any specific suggestions, open your diary so I can see what you're eating.

    So, you know how tall I am?

    Just estimating using the formulas. The taller you are for a given weight, the higher your BMR is going to be. If you were, say, 40 years old you would need to be about 4'6 or shorter for your [calculated] BMR to be under 1300. Maybe you're 4'6, I dunno.

    Yep.

    As for saying you don't know what I want you to say... don't worry; you just said it. You don't know.
  • joncassie
    joncassie Posts: 5 Member
    How much u wight
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    That's a really low calorie intake. Pretty low protein intake, too.

    ...Ahh. Alright then.

    Well I don't know what you want me to tell you. At your weight and that calorie intake, you must be basically sedentary all the time. That's going to below your BMR unless you're over 50.

    If you actually wanted any specific suggestions, open your diary so I can see what you're eating.

    So, you know how tall I am?

    Just estimating using the formulas. The taller you are for a given weight, the higher your BMR is going to be. If you were, say, 40 years old you would need to be about 4'6 or shorter for your [calculated] BMR to be under 1300. Maybe you're 4'6, I dunno.

    Yep.

    As for saying you don't know what I want you to say... don't worry; you just said it. You don't know.

    Are you posting here just to argue and derail this person's thread? I was posting relevant scientific information about sodium intake levels. You asked me for recommendations about your sodium intake, which led to a discussion on your diet. I thought you were asking questions for information or learning, but now it looks like you were just trying to argue?

    I said many times I don't know anything about your diet. I was trying to help you since you were asking me for help. I said that you could open your diary if you wanted specific recommendations or comments.

    So I'm not sure what any of this is about anymore. Your extremely low sodium intake has been scientifically linked to insulin resistance and mortality via several peer-reviewed scientific studies. It is irresponsible to recommend that people decrease their sodium intake to such low levels.

    If you want recommendations, open your diary and we can talk. If you just want to go back and forth until you feel justified in your extremely low sodium intake because you think you made the guy saying it's bad look like a fool, then I'm not really interested.
  • coppertop_4
    coppertop_4 Posts: 258 Member
    I recommend just cleaning up your diet. You said this last week wasn't a good representation, but then you said you have a sweet tooth. (As do I)

    What I did notice, is that there really wasn't any fresh produce in your diet. This could help you. An apple or a peach instead of something sweet. A couple salads with tuna or chicken or beans or.... find a lower calorie salad dressing, or use vinegar (balsamic or cider). Try something new!

    It's hard to say exactly what your issue is, and you got a TON of feedback now about sodium. And your HRM.
    I don't pay much attention to sodium or sugar. It's more calories, fat, protein and carbs. Those are the important numbers to me.

    Your body may be used to what you've been trying to do (exercise and eating) and it may need a change.

    Play with protein shakes and a clean diet for a weekend (lean protein and fresh produce), stay under your calorie goal (dont' eat back to many of your exercise calories, drink all your water, and see if anything happens. I dropped about 3 lbs eating "clean" for 4 days. Water weight? Sure, why not! But it was weight... and it stayed off! I seem to have to change what I'm doing every 3 months or so to keep my body dropping weight. 54 lbs gone, 22 or so to go!

    I also lost the most weight when I ate about 200 calories ever 2 hours. It seemed to kick up my metabolism and just started falling off!

    My 2 cents ;) good luck!
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
    As far as the others reduced sodium stuff... I would watch out for that. I got water toxicity from too high water intake and too little sodium.

    Anyways, as far as logging exercise calories a heart rate monitor is ONLY accurate during steady state cardio. NOT lifting.

    What I would do is add that into your activity level, as you burn significantly less than you think you do while lifting.

    Make sure to measure measure measure, strength train, and perhaps track body fat % instead of weight.

    Good luck!
  • JRTrapp
    JRTrapp Posts: 3 Member
    Change up yor workout routine. Try circuit training! Check your heart rate and make sure that you are challenging yourself enough. Also, High protein, high fiber!! Watch your fat intake too. Are you getting plenty of sleep?
  • joncassie
    joncassie Posts: 5 Member
    Ok how much u wiegh and how much u lose go to gym
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
    Wow!

    I cook all my meals myself and been eating the same way for some years now.... most days I don't even get to 1000mg in sodium... on the BAD days I get somewhere around 1500mg and can feel it in my body BIG TIME the next day.

    Didn't realize I was in such a danger...



    LOL.

    There are lots of papers published on this topic. Look here, for instance:
    http://realsalt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/American-Journal-of-Med-Full-Article-Sodium-Intake-and-Mortality.pdf


    "Those with dietary sodium <2300 mg had signifi-
    cantly higher age-sex adjusted mortality rates for CVD
    and all causes compared with >2300 mg"

    "Adjusting for calories and all previously mentioned CVD
    risk factors, sodium intake <2300 mg was associated with
    37% greater risk of CVD mortality (P .03) and 28%
    increased risk of all-cause mortality"

    "sodium <2300 mg
    was not significantly associated with better CVD mortality
    outcome in any subgroup"

    "Reduced-sodium diet stimulates the
    renin angiotensin system, and elevated plasma renin activity has been associated with increased risk of myocardial infarction."


    ...Well lets pretend I would want to believe this and want to add sodium to my diet. As I am currently very well adjusted in my macros, calories and all that, what do you suggest? Teaspoon of salt before bed?

    I know nothing about your diet, but it must be incredibly tough to get enough protein and fat while maintaining less than 1500 mg per day of sodium. I have no idea what your goals are like.

    Well looking at my diary, on one day last week my stats were:

    1310 calories
    68g protein
    42g fat
    903mg sodium

    And that's pretty much what most days look to me.

    Jesus Christ, 68 grams protein? Goodbye muscle mass!
  • rtrcarrie
    rtrcarrie Posts: 50 Member
    I'm NOT going to get into any sodium arguments here, I get over the recommended too often but not every day. I do try to keep mine lower when I can (buying low sodium canned veggies is a good way) because I know it causes water retention and who wants that right?! But I don't go overboard because none of my Dr's has ever given me advice to do so and I talk to them about everything!

    What I wanted to suggest is this: Don't put in every exercise you do and you won't be tempted to eat all those extra calories. I have been at the same place as you for a couple months, stuck. I have recently stopped entering my weekend exercise because I am not walking the amount I do on my normal work day and I think this is an important factor. I am starting to see it working too! So weekend exercise is no longer posted to my diary even though I am still doing it. During my work week I only post what I do at PT because that is extra and when I have several portable x-rays to do I add "Furniture moving" time because it is extra and it's the closest thing I can find to what it involves exertion wise.

    Just a thought that might help.
  • naku
    naku Posts: 109 Member
    That's a really low calorie intake. Pretty low protein intake, too.

    ...Ahh. Alright then.

    Well I don't know what you want me to tell you. At your weight and that calorie intake, you must be basically sedentary all the time. That's going to below your BMR unless you're over 50.

    If you actually wanted any specific suggestions, open your diary so I can see what you're eating.

    So, you know how tall I am?

    Just estimating using the formulas. The taller you are for a given weight, the higher your BMR is going to be. If you were, say, 40 years old you would need to be about 4'6 or shorter for your [calculated] BMR to be under 1300. Maybe you're 4'6, I dunno.

    Yep.

    As for saying you don't know what I want you to say... don't worry; you just said it. You don't know.

    Are you posting here just to argue and derail this person's thread? I was posting relevant scientific information about sodium intake levels. You asked me for recommendations about your sodium intake, which led to a discussion on your diet. I thought you were asking questions for information or learning, but now it looks like you were just trying to argue?

    I said many times I don't know anything about your diet. I was trying to help you since you were asking me for help. I said that you could open your diary if you wanted specific recommendations or comments.

    So I'm not sure what any of this is about anymore. Your extremely low sodium intake has been scientifically linked to insulin resistance and mortality via several peer-reviewed scientific studies. It is irresponsible to recommend that people decrease their sodium intake to such low levels.

    If you want recommendations, open your diary and we can talk. If you just want to go back and forth until you feel justified in your extremely low sodium intake because you think you made the guy saying it's bad look like a fool, then I'm not really interested.

    I was not actually asking for help, I was asking for a recommendation in a pretend situation where I would want to add sodium into my diet with my current calories and macros.

    And I'm not scared of "looking like a fool", this is a internet forum mate, not a child prodigy contestant.
    I can post far more foolish stuff without being scared of "looking like a fool". I think I'd go as far as I would be happy to post completely retarded crap if I so felt like, without feeling any sorts of fear of how other people perceive me as... Because this is an internet forum and as far as I am concerned, only the NSA will be interested in anything I actually write here.

    :-)
  • naku
    naku Posts: 109 Member
    That's a really low calorie intake. Pretty low protein intake, too.

    ...Ahh. Alright then.

    Well I don't know what you want me to tell you. At your weight and that calorie intake, you must be basically sedentary all the time. That's going to below your BMR unless you're over 50.

    If you actually wanted any specific suggestions, open your diary so I can see what you're eating.

    So, you know how tall I am?

    Just estimating using the formulas. The taller you are for a given weight, the higher your BMR is going to be. If you were, say, 40 years old you would need to be about 4'6 or shorter for your [calculated] BMR to be under 1300. Maybe you're 4'6, I dunno.

    Yep.

    As for saying you don't know what I want you to say... don't worry; you just said it. You don't know.

    Are you posting here just to argue and derail this person's thread? I was posting relevant scientific information about sodium intake levels. You asked me for recommendations about your sodium intake, which led to a discussion on your diet. I thought you were asking questions for information or learning, but now it looks like you were just trying to argue?

    I said many times I don't know anything about your diet. I was trying to help you since you were asking me for help. I said that you could open your diary if you wanted specific recommendations or comments.

    So I'm not sure what any of this is about anymore. Your extremely low sodium intake has been scientifically linked to insulin resistance and mortality via several peer-reviewed scientific studies. It is irresponsible to recommend that people decrease their sodium intake to such low levels.

    If you want recommendations, open your diary and we can talk. If you just want to go back and forth until you feel justified in your extremely low sodium intake because you think you made the guy saying it's bad look like a fool, then I'm not really interested.

    I was not actually asking for help, I was asking for a recommendation in a pretend situation where I would want to add sodium into my diet with my current calories and macros.

    And I'm not scared of "looking like a fool", this is a internet forum mate, not a child prodigy contestant.
    I can post far more foolish stuff without being scared of "looking like a fool". I think I'd go as far as I would be happy to post completely retarded crap if I so felt like, without feeling any sorts of fear of how other people perceive me as... Because this is an internet forum and as far as I am concerned, only the NSA will be interested in anything I actually write here.

    :-)

    Oops, just realized I read your reply wrong.
    But lets treat this as a portrayal of how I normally take in thigs in that I read on this forum. For good reasons.

    On another note, gonna have some ice cream now. You should do that too!
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    On another note, gonna have some ice cream now. You should do that too!

    I had a pop tart ice cream sandwich last night for dessert. I just picked up some Ben & Jerry's Milk and Cookies ice cream for later tonight.

    In all seriousness, unless you have a medical condition that you're being treated for, you should seriously consider upping your sodium intake.
  • mahanaibu
    mahanaibu Posts: 505 Member
    I'm afrad you're not eating as well as you think you are. You're very high on carby and sugary processed foods and generally low on protein. It's not just the quantity of calories you eat, it's the quality. Check out this Scientifi American article on an excellent study on this issue:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-dieting-not-all-calo
  • naku
    naku Posts: 109 Member
    On another note, gonna have some ice cream now. You should do that too!

    I had a pop tart ice cream sandwich last night for dessert. I just picked up some Ben & Jerry's Milk and Cookies ice cream for later tonight.

    In all seriousness, unless you have a medical condition that you're being treated for, you should seriously consider upping your sodium intake.

    Never had a pop tart!

    And thanks for the tip but I'm ok as I am :)
    Naturally, if my health suffers in any way, I shall reconsider immediately. It's just that currently eating this way is making my body very happy!

    If your body requires a lot of sodium to be happy... you should continue as you are!
  • dough21
    dough21 Posts: 216 Member
    LOWER the Carb intake. RAISE the Protein intake. You're not getting that much Protein and most of the calories from Protein are burned off by the body, whereas if you don't burn up all your carbs, they get stored as fat. Protein will also make you feel fuller between meals. Hope this helps.
  • Otterluv
    Otterluv Posts: 9,083 Member
    I would make sure that your intake and burns are as accurate as possible.

    Weigh anything that isn't prepackaged. Put in a more reasonable number for your burns, Jonnythan was 100% right in his explanation.

    Once you are sure that your numbers are accurate, follow it for a month and see where you're at.

    What you eat doesn't matter as much for weight loss, but do try to eat a balanced diet for general health. Your protein is really low, you should probably up that.
  • DancingMoosie
    DancingMoosie Posts: 8,619 Member
    You should eat more fresh produce and protein, and cut back a little on the sugar and over-processed stuff. Also, don't use the HRM for lifting, you can add it in your diary under cardiovascular as "strength training" for the calories burned and add it as Strength Training to actually list the exercises and weights performed.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    On another note, gonna have some ice cream now. You should do that too!

    I had a pop tart ice cream sandwich last night for dessert. I just picked up some Ben & Jerry's Milk and Cookies ice cream for later tonight.

    In all seriousness, unless you have a medical condition that you're being treated for, you should seriously consider upping your sodium intake.

    Never had a pop tart!

    And thanks for the tip but I'm ok as I am :)
    Naturally, if my health suffers in any way, I shall reconsider immediately. It's just that currently eating this way is making my body very happy!

    If your body requires a lot of sodium to be happy... you should continue as you are!

    The research is showing that the first "event" that results from a very low sodium diet is often a fatal heart attack. It's not like you would have warning.

    There's no reason to eat such low sodium.
  • see what happens if you move your macros to 35% protien, 35% fat 30% carbs and pick better carbs like brown rice, fruits in the morning, and oats , for fats think avacodo nuts, oils that go on your salads (olive,flax,grapeseed and im forgetting one) and good protein sources like chicken, beef and fish, eggs and good old fashioned milk

    this works out to about
    135g C
    157g P
    70g F
    in an 1800 cal day

    track your cardio but dont track your weightlifting, it is literally impossible to track calories weightlifting without some heavy diagnostics.

    try it for a week or so , but really its just something to try you gotta move your macros around till you find whats right for you
  • naku
    naku Posts: 109 Member
    On another note, gonna have some ice cream now. You should do that too!

    I had a pop tart ice cream sandwich last night for dessert. I just picked up some Ben & Jerry's Milk and Cookies ice cream for later tonight.

    In all seriousness, unless you have a medical condition that you're being treated for, you should seriously consider upping your sodium intake.

    Never had a pop tart!

    And thanks for the tip but I'm ok as I am :)
    Naturally, if my health suffers in any way, I shall reconsider immediately. It's just that currently eating this way is making my body very happy!

    If your body requires a lot of sodium to be happy... you should continue as you are!

    The research is showing that the first "event" that results from a very low sodium diet is often a fatal heart attack. It's not like you would have warning.

    There's no reason to eat such low sodium.

    PM me your address and I'll add it to the list of "People to invite to the funeral".
  • elyelyse
    elyelyse Posts: 1,454 Member
    i'm just chiming in to agree that a lot of your exercise burns seem really high, that plus the occasional day going over could very possibly be the cause of your stall.