Can I really EAT MORE????

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  • Lmns218
    Lmns218 Posts: 155
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    Thanks!!!! I have been eating a range of 1300-1800 calories/day and I have seen a little weight loss....but not really an aggressive one....I have been working out 6x/week so I calculated that and it calculated to be 2300 calories to lose weight....that just seems like a whole lot!!!! As opposed to MFP calculates my eating 1520 calories a day without exercise....if I exercise, then sometimes it could be 2000 or so!!!!! I guess what really needs to be done is for me to buy a food scale and heart rate monitor!!!! But I think I should get the scale first so I can get better accuracy!!!!
  • seif0068
    seif0068 Posts: 193 Member
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    Ill be 30 this week...5'6" and 165....yes, that is how I understood NET...I have been thinking lately to just eat 1300 and burn as much as I can without eating it back...or this other school of thought of eating more...eating more sounds like more fun! Just can't believe it would get me to my goal

    There is all sorts of debate about this, but since my stats are similar I will share my experience. 29 years old, 5'7" and started at 175, have lost 33 lbs in about 9 months (technically 3 lbs below my original goal weight). Similar approach to eating - trying to eat more healthy overall but not "clean" and still have treats. I ate back my exercise calories the entire time; but I think that only works if you are honest with yourself and also have a HRM to get an accurate calorie burn with working out. I have logged every morsel/drop that crossed my lips for 295 days and counting, and I have always eaten my calories back. My weight loss has been basically linear - I lost EXACTLY how much weight I expected throughout the entire process based on my net calories.

    My net calorie goal was approximately 1300 when I first started out, gradually increased to 1450 and now I have my goal set at 1550 but that is to build in some wiggle room to go over and be at my actual maintenance goal of about 1650 or 1700. I would think eating only 1300 and then not eating back your exercise calories would be too low in your case.
  • Roll_Tide_Meg
    Roll_Tide_Meg Posts: 255 Member
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    If you have been eating at a low calorie intake I would say you may gain a little water weight at first but it is going to be healthier for you in the long run to eat past your BMR. :)

    We need Heybales....wonder if I say his name 3 times if he will appear and help you out...

    1. HEYBALES
    2. HEYBALES
    3. HEYBALES

    :flowerforyou:
  • seif0068
    seif0068 Posts: 193 Member
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    If you do increase, mentally prepare yourself for some potential "gain" right away but it isn't real weight gain. It will be water weight and your body adjusting. Biggest way to prevent this is to increase gradually, and drink lots of water. I'd say net 1350/day for a week, then 1400/day for a week, then 1450/day, then 1500/day.

    Also, consistent logging is huge - you mention you don't always stick with it. I have logged for 295 straight days now and that is a huge reason my weight loss has been successful. It's not always perfect when I eat out, or don't know portion sizes, but I at least get something in my log for every item/beverage I eat or drink.
  • No_Finish_Line
    No_Finish_Line Posts: 3,662 Member
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    the idea that eating 'too few' calories is going to prevent you from lossing weight has just been blown way out of proportion.

    if anything your going to lose a lot of muscle along with the fat and therefore lose weight faster.

    if all the numbers say you should be losing, and your not.... i'm guessing your not logging very accurately.

    weight/measure everything you put in your mouth for a month. if you still haven't had any weight loss, go see a doctor
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    That's why it's HeyBales, not haybales, which is just a bunch of bad carbs.

    One suggestion for several on here thinking of going this direction, which if you have a semi-consistent weekly and exercise routine, can work better as you learn to eat a set amount daily, and planning always helps to stick to goals.

    If you have very irregular routine, still some help below to be more realistic in goals.

    Several of these requests mention some very low calorie for the level of activity being done, for some time in the past.
    And while it's hard to impossible to build muscle while in a deficit of any decent amount - it's all too easy to burn a pound or more off - that's a rough loss, because include what else goes with that lb of muscle, more blood volume, more stored glucose, ect, so more than a lb can be lost sadly. That's lost metabolism right there.
    Include in to that what your body suppresses when deficit is too great, really bad combo.

    What that means is the BMR estimate as the foundation of the math, and especially if overweight by 70+ lbs, could be inflated by 200-400 calories when based on age, weight, height - which has an assumed fat to non-fat ratio, which doesn't apply when overweight.

    Well, you take 200-400 inflated Mifflin or Harris BMR x activity factor to get TDEE, and take off deficit, you could actually have no real deficit in place.
    So eating at maintenance really. Great if you are lifting, inches will drop, strength will go up, but no loss.

    So best to start math with Katch BMR based on bodyfat %.

    So as to have this all in one place with best estimate of BF%, BMR, and have a better Activity Calculator that includes daily activity more than sedentary desk job for better TDEE, and an eating goal based on weight to lose and exercise type, and to track progress, you might want to use this.

    Don't be shocked by the colors and what appears to be a busy screen.
    5 of your stats you know. 8 measurements you should really know and track. And 4 levels of exercise type that maybe only 1 applies.

    Then instructions on what to change where in MFP for eating goal and macro's.

    This is all to encourage NO loss of muscle mass, but indeed lose fat and weight. You won't keep setting lifting records eating at this level if that's important. You won't keep getting faster running if that matters, except moving less weight makes you faster anyway.
    This is minimum goal to maintain muscle mass. or at least get you started on that method.

    Read whatever of this post you need for knowledge, link for spreadsheet at bottom.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/813720-spreadsheet-bmr-tdee-deficit-macro-calcs-hrm-zones
  • xinit0
    xinit0 Posts: 310 Member
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    OK, last question, how terrible would it be if those extra 150 calories every day were...lets say...more cake??? ;) JK...kind of....no really, can it be?

    Could be frosting eaten out of a jar with your fingers... calories is calories (more or less)
  • xinit0
    xinit0 Posts: 310 Member
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    the idea that eating 'too few' calories is going to prevent you from lossing weight has just been blown way out of proportion.

    True, you can lose weight eating under your BMR, but you're likely going to feel lousy while you do it. You can lose just as well by eating a sane amount, with the added benefit that you should feel less of a need to stab anyone.
  • michellekicks
    michellekicks Posts: 3,624 Member
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    OK, last question, how terrible would it be if those extra 150 calories every day were...lets say...more cake??? ;) JK...kind of....no really, can it be?

    lol yeah you can eat the cake. How far off are you from your goal weight? Do you know your body fat %?

    At 5'7" and 158 lbs at about 23% body fat I can lose weight eating 2100 calories PLUS exercise calories. I lost the first 30 lbs eating about 2100 calories daily, but then I'm very active with about 2500-3500 calories burned per week through exercise. I went from 194-164 at about NET 1600.
  • erikalanem
    erikalanem Posts: 48
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    OK, last question, how terrible would it be if those extra 150 calories every day were...lets say...more cake??? ;) JK...kind of....no really, can it be?

    lol yeah you can eat the cake. How far off are you from your goal weight? Do you know your body fat %?

    At 5'7" and 158 lbs at about 23% body fat I can lose weight eating 2100 calories PLUS exercise calories. I lost the first 30 lbs eating about 2100 calories daily, but then I'm very active with about 2500-3500 calories burned per week through exercise. I went from 194-164 at about NET 1600.

    Its kind of a funny story about my goal weight... When I was 15, getting my driving permit, they asked my weight, and I was too embarrassed to tell the truth, so I fibbed and told them 135. I don't know how much I weighed then, probably 150ish. So, that has always been my goal, and I have never gotten there...I think 135 is a healthy weight for my height of 5'6", so I am almost 30 pounds off of it....
  • seif0068
    seif0068 Posts: 193 Member
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    OK, last question, how terrible would it be if those extra 150 calories every day were...lets say...more cake??? ;) JK...kind of....no really, can it be?

    lol yeah you can eat the cake. How far off are you from your goal weight? Do you know your body fat %?

    At 5'7" and 158 lbs at about 23% body fat I can lose weight eating 2100 calories PLUS exercise calories. I lost the first 30 lbs eating about 2100 calories daily, but then I'm very active with about 2500-3500 calories burned per week through exercise. I went from 194-164 at about NET 1600.

    Its kind of a funny story about my goal weight... When I was 15, getting my driving permit, they asked my weight, and I was too embarrassed to tell the truth, so I fibbed and told them 135. I don't know how much I weighed then, probably 150ish. So, that has always been my goal, and I have never gotten there...I think 135 is a healthy weight for my height of 5'6", so I am almost 30 pounds off of it....

    That's so funny - my goal weight was based on a similar thing! I had 135 on my very first license, though I think it was accurate at the time. When I started this process at 175, my public goal was 145 but mentally, I wanted to see how I looked and felt at 145 and then 135 was my REAL goal and it totally stems from the driver's license! I am at 142 right now (stupid ticker says 32 but it's 33...they are "working on resolving it"). I'm much less focused on losing the last 7 lbs right now, just enjoying maintenance for a bit and resting after a half marathon, then kicking into gear again next month.

    P.S. Yes - the extra 150 calories could be a treat! I have a sweet tooth and am way more likely to stay on track if I let myself have treats than if I try to deprive myself. It's just that now a treat might be 15 Reese's pieces or a miniature Hershey bar instead of half a tub of ice cream!!!