5:2 diet
hupsii
Posts: 258 Member
Hello,
Today, I wanted to start with this 5:2 diet. A lot of people seem to get great results. So, 500 kcals today and on Thursday (light breakfast & dinner only) and around 2000 kcals every other day. Unfortunately, already at around 10 am I got so dizzy that I had to get myself a coke. Who has tried this ? Same problems ?
Today, I wanted to start with this 5:2 diet. A lot of people seem to get great results. So, 500 kcals today and on Thursday (light breakfast & dinner only) and around 2000 kcals every other day. Unfortunately, already at around 10 am I got so dizzy that I had to get myself a coke. Who has tried this ? Same problems ?
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I also saw some info on this diet & everything looked like it produced amazing results. I was all ready to implement it. Then I came across this VERY detailed & informative article about how it actually produces NEGATIVE or bad results in women unless they are obese (30 or higher BMI, or 20% over ideal weight).
http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/
Also, some people have conditions that make fasting difficult or almost fasting diets. I fast 1 day a week, for religious reasons & to give my body a break, but I do drink some skin milk & slightly sweetened tea, because of low blood sugar producing migraines in me. BUT I would definitely make it your goal to get off the sodas first AND the caffeine.0 -
People would rather eat 500 calories a day and starve themselves than do cardio. lol0
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I'm also trying this out for a few weeks. I was doing 16:8 and after looking around decided to try this out.
People have confirmed there are benefits to the plan - however I am indifferent as I haven't tried it myself yet.
Today is my day one, I will 'fast' Mondays and Wednesdays.
As I was doing 16:8 my body is used to not eating until 1pm every day. I went for my lunch break, but found I wasn't hungry (probably because of the 6 pints of waters I've already had today...) so I decided to save my food for on the way home from work.
I'll probably go for a walk/jog tonight so only light exercise, and I'll continue to log on non-fast days, just so I don't go overboard.
This may not work - at least I can say it's something I've tried
Good luck to you and feel free to add me :flowerforyou:0 -
I also saw some info on this diet & everything looked like it produced amazing results. I was all ready to implement it. Then I came across this VERY detailed & informative article about how it actually produces NEGATIVE or bad results in women unless they are obese (30 or higher BMI, or 20% over ideal weight).
http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/
Also, some people have conditions that make fasting difficult or almost fasting diets. I fast 1 day a week, for religious reasons & to give my body a break, but I do drink some skin milk & slightly sweetened tea, because of low blood sugar producing migraines in me. BUT I would definitely make it your goal to get off the sodas first AND the caffeine.
Actually I hate Coke, never liked the stuff but it gets your blood sugar up in now time LOL0 -
I also saw some info on this diet & everything looked like it produced amazing results. I was all ready to implement it. Then I came across this VERY detailed & informative article about how it actually produces NEGATIVE or bad results in women unless they are obese (30 or higher BMI, or 20% over ideal weight).
http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/
Also, some people have conditions that make fasting difficult or almost fasting diets. I fast 1 day a week, for religious reasons & to give my body a break, but I do drink some skin milk & slightly sweetened tea, because of low blood sugar producing migraines in me. BUT I would definitely make it your goal to get off the sodas first AND the caffeine.
wow - just read the article and yes - all the good results I have read about were from men0 -
I also saw some info on this diet & everything looked like it produced amazing results. I was all ready to implement it. Then I came across this VERY detailed & informative article about how it actually produces NEGATIVE or bad results in women unless they are obese (30 or higher BMI, or 20% over ideal weight).
http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/
Also, some people have conditions that make fasting difficult or almost fasting diets. I fast 1 day a week, for religious reasons & to give my body a break, but I do drink some skin milk & slightly sweetened tea, because of low blood sugar producing migraines in me. BUT I would definitely make it your goal to get off the sodas first AND the caffeine.
wow - just read the article and yes - all the good results I have read about were from men
Really glad this woman took time for such a detailed response (apparently she has a background in some kind of biology). After I read it, I felt relieved that I saw her article before I even tried the "diet."0 -
Here's some more information about women and fasting at Mark's Daily Apple. Some women shared their experiences in the comments as well.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/women-and-intermittent-fasting/#axzz2XntFDALa
I fast occasionally to help maintain my weight loss when I notice I've been eating a lot. I feel good after a fast and more mindful of the food I eat. I tried fasting as a weekly thing for weight loss but after a few weeks it became hard to do so I stopped trying to fast on a schedule and just do it now when it feels right/easy to do.0 -
Fasting is a regular part of my lifestyle. I won't go into the details as MFP is extremely anti-fasting on any level, and there is a lot of ignorance and miseducation here regarding the topic. This just isn't the place to find support, or accurate info, about this topic. Know your audience.
5:2 diet however isn't really a true fast. It's just low calorie/high calorie cycling. Some do lose weight, and see the benefits of calorie-restriction that more and more studies are documenting. But keep in mind that the body reacts completely differently during a true, water-only fast and a 500 calorie "fast". For me personally my body reacts far better on a straight, real fast than it does on extreme restriction. Hunger is also a much bigger issue for some people when severely restricting versus completely eliminating.
If you have any major blood sugar issues, or live a life of very high carbohydrate consumption, that could be the cause of the dizziness thanks to a marked drop in blood sugar. People who come from a diet high in carb consumption potentially have much rougher transitions into something like the 5:2, or any other IFing, program thanks to a body that is in a constant state of high insulin usage.0 -
Fasting is a regular part of my lifestyle. I won't go into the details as MFP is extremely anti-fasting on any level, and there is a lot of ignorance and miseducation here regarding the topic. This just isn't the place to find support, or accurate info, about this topic. Know your audience.
Agreed.
I, frankly, am somewhat surprised you were dizzy by 10am. Have you never skipped breakfast before? I, agree with the above have no problem with this WOL as I often can go until afternoon before I eat, and on especially busy days, until dinner. This is not starving myself - but on the contrary, fasting allows your body to heal because it diverts all of the energy it uses on digestion to other functions. I also like to do this on a Monday after an especially indulgent weekend. It resets my "clock" so to speak. I think the comment about a diet high in carbohydrates is also right on. If I eat a heavy carbo loaded meal, I am HUNGRY later on or the next morning. Like today - d*amn those handfuls of Bugles last night!0 -
You were dizzy by 10 am?0
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I've just started on this diet too, tomorrow is my first fast day and I'm planning on a small bowl of cereal in the morning and a tuna cous-cous salad in the evening. What did you eat for your light breakfast? If it was just a piece of fruit or something like that I can see why you'd get hungry quickly.0
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Fasting is a regular part of my lifestyle. I won't go into the details as MFP is extremely anti-fasting on any level, and there is a lot of ignorance and miseducation here regarding the topic. This just isn't the place to find support, or accurate info, about this topic. Know your audience.
5:2 diet however isn't really a true fast. It's just low calorie/high calorie cycling. Some do lose weight, and see the benefits of calorie-restriction that more and more studies are documenting. But keep in mind that the body reacts completely differently during a true, water-only fast and a 500 calorie "fast". For me personally my body reacts far better on a straight, real fast than it does on extreme restriction. Hunger is also a much bigger issue for some people when severely restricting versus completely eliminating.
If you have any major blood sugar issues, or live a life of very high carbohydrate consumption, that could be the cause of the dizziness thanks to a marked drop in blood sugar. People who come from a diet high in carb consumption potentially have much rougher transitions into something like the 5:2, or any other IFing, program thanks to a body that is in a constant state of high insulin usage.
Yes, I am a carb person...so that explain's it. Thanks for your input !0 -
I've just started on this diet too, tomorrow is my first fast day and I'm planning on a small bowl of cereal in the morning and a tuna cous-cous salad in the evening. What did you eat for your light breakfast? If it was just a piece of fruit or something like that I can see why you'd get hungry quickly.
I had a banana and a bit of cheese. Apparently, you should not go over 500 kcals if you are a woman. But I had some salad at lunch. Just could not do without it.0 -
You were dizzy by 10 am?
Yes, I guess my sugar level got very low as my breakfast was a banana and a bit of cheese.0 -
Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.0
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Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Perhaps if you did a little research on the plethora of information now available in regards to cyclical caloric deprivation and intermittent fasting you wouldn't be "raging" over a way of eating that, for some, has extraordinary health and weight management/loss benefits.
Your way isn't the only way. We all must search and find what works best for us.0 -
She said she felt dizzy by 10 am. That is enough evidence. Let's say you are at a 3500 caloric deficit at end of the week both ways. What is the point of feeling like **** the 3 other days if you are going to lose the same amount. Logic, not even once.Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Perhaps if you did a little research on the plethora of information now available in regards to cyclical caloric deprivation and intermittent fasting you wouldn't be "raging" over a way of eating that, for some, has extraordinary health and weight management/loss benefits.
Your way isn't the only way. We all must search and find what works best for us.0 -
The real problem is not being able to go without food for a couple hours -- she had to drink a soda to feel better! That's not a normal or healthy response to going without food for a few hours. There was no fasting going on at all here.0
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The point is that many people find it works for them, controlling their food intake just two days a week instead of logging and stressing every day .Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Why be hungry all the time when you can be hungry two days a week, or as you restrict so much perhaps not even hungry at all.0 -
I can understand that but it didn't make her feel better right?0
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I know because I used to try stuff like this all the time. I didn't do it because I thought It would make me feel better. I did it because people would hype it up, just like intermittent fasting, and it didn't make a difference..
The point is that many people find it works for them, controlling their food intake just two days a week instead of logging and stressing every day .Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Why be hungry all the time when you can be hungry two days a week, or as you restrict so much perhaps not even hungry at all.0 -
I can understand that but it didn't make her feel better right?
The point is that many people find it works for them, controlling their food intake just two days a week instead of logging and stressing every day .Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Why be hungry all the time when you can be hungry two days a week, or as you restrict so much perhaps not even hungry at all.0 -
She said she felt dizzy by 10 am. That is enough evidence. Let's say you are at a 3500 caloric deficit at end of the week both ways. What is the point of feeling like **** the 3 other days if you are going to lose the same amount. Logic, not even once.Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Perhaps if you did a little research on the plethora of information now available in regards to cyclical caloric deprivation and intermittent fasting you wouldn't be "raging" over a way of eating that, for some, has extraordinary health and weight management/loss benefits.
Your way isn't the only way. We all must search and find what works best for us.
The fact that she had a banana and some cheese and STILL felt dizzy by 10am in the morning is the problem. The human body should be fine going hours without food, it's how we're built. Historically we have never needed to be in a constant, endless state of perpetual feeding. That is a totally modern construct, and a false one. So the very fact that this person was showing withdrawal symptoms in the morning, even after eating a banana with some cheese, points toward some issues that need to be corrected.
And like I said, do a little research. It goes a long way. You're obvious ignorant to the benefits of this kind of plan, which extend well beyond weight loss. And for some people it is literally the ONLY way they can get a significant caloric deficit in without feeling constantly deprived and famished every day. IFing diets also help others correct very dysfunctional relationships with food, and helps reset their taste buds for healthier fare. This way of eating is a lifestyle for some, many of whom tried it the "normal" way, your way, and saw nothing but failure and misery.
There is nothing wrong with being ignorant, but "raging" and belittling that which you don't understand isn't helpful to anybody in the long run.0 -
I have done my research. Probably more than you. I have probably had more experience with things like these and me and tons of other people agree that it is unnecessary to do this. You guys always try to find other ways of doing things that are not necessary. Don't try to fix something that isn't broken. Studies are always skewed and biased and will find anything to go in their favor. This is coming from someone that has tried it all. I was the same way as you. You get so sold into ideas but then realize it was a waste of time. Surely, a few months ago, you will ask yourself, "what was I thinking." If doing that makes you feel better, go right ahead, but if it makes you feel bad, don't do it. Simple as that.
She said she felt dizzy by 10 am. That is enough evidence. Let's say you are at a 3500 caloric deficit at end of the week both ways. What is the point of feeling like **** the 3 other days if you are going to lose the same amount. Logic, not even once.Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
Perhaps if you did a little research on the plethora of information now available in regards to cyclical caloric deprivation and intermittent fasting you wouldn't be "raging" over a way of eating that, for some, has extraordinary health and weight management/loss benefits.
Your way isn't the only way. We all must search and find what works best for us.
The fact that she had a banana and some cheese and STILL felt dizzy by 10am in the morning is the problem. The human body should be fine going hours without food, it's how we're built. Historically we have never needed to be in a constant, endless state of perpetual feeding. That is a totally modern construct, and a false one. So the very fact that this person was showing withdrawal symptoms in the morning, even after eating a banana with some cheese, points toward some issues that need to be corrected.
And like I said, do a little research. It goes a long way. You're obvious ignorant to the benefits of this kind of plan, which extend well beyond weight loss. And for some people it is literally the ONLY way they can get a significant caloric deficit in without feeling constantly deprived and famished every day. IFing diets also help others correct very dysfunctional relationships with food, and helps reset their taste buds for healthier fare. This way of eating is a lifestyle for some, many of whom tried it the "normal" way, your way, and saw nothing but failure and misery.
There is nothing wrong with being ignorant, but "raging" and belittling that which you don't understand isn't helpful to anybody in the long run.0 -
If doing that makes you feel better, go right ahead, but if it makes you feel bad, don't do it. Simple as that.
The only true thing you've said in this thread. I concur.
Good luck to all of those who IF, and are seeing the benefits of it. I do and it's amazing. I wish you all well!0 -
Im loving it. I feel so much more healthier as well, skin is good, energy levels have also spiked. Have lost 5lbs in four weeks and my tummy has shrunk looking at progress pics over the weekend.
Im happy!0 -
You will learn. I was exactly like you.If doing that makes you feel better, go right ahead, but if it makes you feel bad, don't do it. Simple as that.
The only true thing you've said in this thread. I concur.
Good luck to all of those who IF, and are seeing the benefits of it. I do and it's amazing. I wish you all well!0 -
I am not going to agree with one side or the other. I did try IF and just couldn't continue with it because I did feel dizzy and weak. It also sent me into bingeing which I have a serious problem with. I had a feeling that this would happen happen but, gave it a chance. I finally just feel that it was't for me. Felt starving and it just didn't feel right. I did want it to work but, no. Good luck to you all.0
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Making me rage. Seriously what is the point?!!!!! Just get into a 500 caloric deficit.
this is pretty much true.if IF makes it easier to create deficit then by all means go for it..
I did lean gains 18/6 for about 8 months and like it ; however, it did not really fit into my lifestyle and I felt like I was cooking all freaking night...
Do whatever you need to create a caloric deficit...0 -
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