Calling all Weightlifters!

Hello fellow weightlifters! I started hardcore weightlifting this week. I have committed, I'm not going to stop. Love it. So, my question is, How do you choose your calorie deficit? Do you use the MFP Guided? TDEE 15-20%? I'm curious what weightlifters feel works best for them.

I am still trying to lose weight, but getting toned in the process. I'm more focused on inches than pounds at this point, although pounds are still nice to see falling off. I am 5'8", floating around 199-200 lbs lately. I'm planning on lifting 5-6 days a week. Right now MFP has be at 1370 cals. I eat back my exercise points. BF % is 40-41% depending on the day. I'm trying to include whatever is needed to assess the situation. Umm, my goal weight is 150 lbs, 21% BF.

Any tips, suggestions, etc. Is all welcome. But the real question is what calorie deficit do you use?


Thank you all in advance!
Jessica
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  • Jessica_D_Shadow
    Jessica_D_Shadow Posts: 138 Member
    Bump!
  • xampx
    xampx Posts: 323 Member
    Its down to your own choice.

    I eat my BMR plus exercise calories

    I am thinking of changing to lightly active TDEE -20% and not eating exercise calories. The only reason I am not doing this at the moment is that sometimes I manage 4-5 days exercise a week and sometime I manage 2 days a week
  • dough21
    dough21 Posts: 216 Member
    If you're going to do some hardcore weight lifting, it would be a sin to be in a deficit.
  • caseythirteen
    caseythirteen Posts: 956 Member
    I think this is a tough question because it's all relative to your goals. If you are trying to still lose 50 pounds than I think 15% sounds like a good goal. Enough to be cutting but not so much that you don't have the energy for the lifting. Good for you for doing the weights and I'm glad you are enjoying it!

    To answer the question, I'm not trying to lose any weight or inches so I don't have a deficit.
  • Rambo529
    Rambo529 Posts: 170 Member
    Play with it. I actually eat 1500, although MFP wants me at 1200. TDEE - 20% is a good start, but really, I found just messing with my calorie intake until I found something I liked (translation, I felt good) and didn't have me starving to death.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    If you're going to do some hardcore weight lifting, it would be a sin to be in a deficit.

    why?

    OP: I like to start with BWx12 gross cals and assess every 2 weeks. 1g/lb of LBM for protein minimum. .3g/lb of BW for fat minimum.
  • micheleb15
    micheleb15 Posts: 1,418 Member
    I also just started lifting heavy with a trainer last week. I don't really get nutrition advice from him, but on days I workout, I am around 1900 and rest days, I stay around 1600. It really depends on the day. If I am hungrier, then I eat.
  • sigsby
    sigsby Posts: 220 Member
    When it comes to exercise I don't like to start anything hard core. I would be careful you don't expect too much from yourself too soon. It is really easy to get burned out or discouraged because you pushed yourself too far. I am not saying this to discourage you. I wish you well n your journey.
  • Zaniejane
    Zaniejane Posts: 329 Member
    I'll just throw in my two cents:)

    I like the idea of losing weight slowly and getting stronger. You may notice that on days where you eat more calories you are more successful lifting heavier. If this is the case, and if it makes you happy, consider losing at a slower pace, maybe TDEE minus 10%. Or, you could continue doing what you are doing and you will lose.
  • NavyKnightAh13
    NavyKnightAh13 Posts: 1,394 Member
    bumping
  • Jessica_D_Shadow
    Jessica_D_Shadow Posts: 138 Member
    If you're going to do some hardcore weight lifting, it would be a sin to be in a deficit.

    Haha, I understand where you're coming from. But I'm a big girl. Gotta lose the fat that ontop of these muscles. They wanna be seen! Hehe :heart:

    If you're going to do some hardcore weight lifting, it would be a sin to be in a deficit.

    why?

    OP: I like to start with BWx12 gross cals and assess every 2 weeks. 1g/lb of LBM for protein minimum. .3g/lb of BW for fat minimum.

    That seems about what the TDEE wants. I'm thinking since I'm starting to lift I need to eat the part and start proteining it up. This would put me at 2400cal a day.
    When it comes to exercise I don't like to start anything hard core. I would be careful you don't expect too much from yourself too soon. It is really easy to get burned out or discouraged because you pushed yourself too far. I am not saying this to discourage you. I wish you well n your journey.

    I understand. My husband is very fit & a heavy lifter. He is accompanying me on this epic weightlifting journey. =) So, I have him to keep me on track and making sure I don't kill myself in the process. Doing it right. =)

    :heart: Jessica
  • latinbarbie1
    latinbarbie1 Posts: 70 Member
    Well I consume between 1400-1500 calories a day on work out days and 1300 on non work out days. I don't put in my calories burned or work outs on MFP as it alters your calories. I just put it as an exercise note. As I'm trying to still lose weight ( tone up) I need to be in a caloric defisit. All my info btw I have gotten from my personal trainer/nutricionist.
    Hope it helps

    Also protein in every meal
  • NovemberJune
    NovemberJune Posts: 2,525 Member
    Hi! When I was obese, I aimed for TDEE minus 750 calories, when I was overweight, I aimed for TDEE minus 500 calories, and when I got close to goal, I started aiming for just about half a lb per week (250 calories under TDEE).
  • noKTdidnt
    noKTdidnt Posts: 61 Member
    This was something I've been struggling with as well. However, I've noticed that my workouts are not as good and I'm severally hungry on lifting days if I do not fuel my body.

    Short term, I'm eating at my TDEE with a minor deficit of 10% without eating my calories back. I'm testing this out for the first month and then measuring my body fat % to see where it leads me and tinker as need be. This was based off of discussing with serious weight lifters as well as my doctor.

    I'm trying to look at this as a long term journey. Right now, I'm focusing on building the muscle to help revamp up my metabolism. (Years of dieting at 1400 calories have put me in a plateau.) Once I'm feeling good about my strenghth, I'll start slowly decreasing my calorie input.
  • Jessica_D_Shadow
    Jessica_D_Shadow Posts: 138 Member
    I also just started lifting heavy with a trainer last week. I don't really get nutrition advice from him, but on days I workout, I am around 1900 and rest days, I stay around 1600. It really depends on the day. If I am hungrier, then I eat.

    How did you figure out to choose 1900 calories? TDEE? It just worked for you? MFP? =) Thank you ahead of time for your input!
    I'll just throw in my two cents:)

    I like the idea of losing weight slowly and getting stronger. You may notice that on days where you eat more calories you are more successful lifting heavier. If this is the case, and if it makes you happy, consider losing at a slower pace, maybe TDEE minus 10%. Or, you could continue doing what you are doing and you will lose.

    I agree that slower/stronger is better than fast/weak/saggy. TDEE minus 10% seems really high, I weigh a bit I don't think I'd even be able to consume that much. =D

    Thank you! I will look into this!
    Well I consume between 1400-1500 calories a day on work out days and 1300 on non work out days. I don't put in my calories burned or work outs on MFP as it alters your calories. I just put it as an exercise note. As I'm trying to still lose weight ( tone up) I need to be in a caloric defisit. All my info btw I have gotten from my personal trainer/nutricionist.
    Hope it helps

    That seems like it'd be pretty low for me. My workout days usually run me 400-1000 calories burned. If I won't ate 1400 a day on workout days I'd be at a net of 1000-400 calories Net.



    :heart: Jessica
  • Jessica_D_Shadow
    Jessica_D_Shadow Posts: 138 Member
    Hi! When I was obese, I aimed for TDEE minus 750 calories, when I was overweight, I aimed for TDEE minus 500 calories, and when I got close to goal, I started aiming for just about half a lb per week (250 calories under TDEE).

    This is very insightful. How long were you on your weight loss/get fit journey? How well has your skin kept with you as you lifted & lost weight/inches? :flowerforyou:
    This was something I've been struggling with as well. However, I've noticed that my workouts are not as good and I'm severally hungry on lifting days if I do not fuel my body.

    Short term, I'm eating at my TDEE with a minor deficit of 10% without eating my calories back. I'm testing this out for the first month and then measuring my body fat % to see where it leads me and tinker as need be. This was based off of discussing with serious weight lifters as well as my doctor.

    I'm trying to look at this as a long term journey. Right now, I'm focusing on building the muscle to help revamp up my metabolism. (Years of dieting at 1400 calories have put me in a plateau.) Once I'm feeling good about my strenghth, I'll start slowly decreasing my calorie input.

    This is good to know. I'm still at the beginning of my weight loss journey, but I want to tone & lose so that when I reach my goal weight "hopefully" I can be happy when I look in the mirror and get back into a bikini! Big Hopes for a Big Girl. =P


    :heart: Jessica
  • allison0820
    allison0820 Posts: 323 Member
    I am new to heavy lifting, which since I'm a beginner it's not all that heavy yet... This is my 3rd week of lifting heavy on a 12 week program that I found on Bodybuilders.com.... In the article below they give you what your macros should be when doing this program.. That is what I am using.. I have no results yet as I committed to myself not to weight, measure, or comparison pics until after the 12 weeks is up... However... this program up'd my calories considerably and when I do workout I do not add back calories that I burned. I have noticed recently that my appetitie is increasing alot... (MFP had me on 1530 a day to lose 0.5lbs a week and this program has me on 2388 at a minimum).. I have to admit eating this much is scary but I vowed to give it a fair try.. and I knwo I may actually gain weight but that's why I measured.. I'd still like to lose 30 - 40lbs but toning up and trimming fat is my ultimate goal!
  • micheleb15
    micheleb15 Posts: 1,418 Member
    I also just started lifting heavy with a trainer last week. I don't really get nutrition advice from him, but on days I workout, I am around 1900 and rest days, I stay around 1600. It really depends on the day. If I am hungrier, then I eat.

    How did you figure out to choose 1900 calories? TDEE? It just worked for you? MFP? =) Thank you ahead of time for your input!

    My TDEE is around 2100. I keep to 1600 because that's my TDEE - 20%. It's actually 1680, but I leave those extra 80 calories to make up for mints that I may grab from the lobby during the day. On the days I lift, I usually eat more of my calories back if I am hungry. I don't want to hurt anything because my body isn't getting what it needs. I am only 5'2 and have about 10 pounds left to lose so I eat more when I need to keep my muscle and just lose the body fat.

    With TDEE, you're not supposed to eat calories back, but this is what is working for me and it's sustainable.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    I'll just throw in my two cents:)

    I like the idea of losing weight slowly and getting stronger. You may notice that on days where you eat more calories you are more successful lifting heavier. If this is the case, and if it makes you happy, consider losing at a slower pace, maybe TDEE minus 10%. Or, you could continue doing what you are doing and you will lose.

    I agree with this. Plus having refeeds every now and then (that's when you eat all your TDEE calories)

    the leaner you are, the harder it is to lose just fat without also getting a loss of lean body mass and strength along with it. If you're serious about lifting, keep your deficit small, and lose the fat slowly. You'll see more progress that way, both in terms of how much you can lift and also in how your body looks. There's no benefit in losing fat quickly. The goal is to maintain a healthy body fat percentage for life, it's not about how quickly you get there. It's about staying there for life.

    Personally, I reached my goal in terms of fat loss about a year ago. I now have a goal which is to gain strength and lean mass. I was 130lb, I'm currently aiming for 140lb, while keeping my body fat percentage roughly the same.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    I also just started lifting heavy with a trainer last week. I don't really get nutrition advice from him, but on days I workout, I am around 1900 and rest days, I stay around 1600. It really depends on the day. If I am hungrier, then I eat.

    How did you figure out to choose 1900 calories? TDEE? It just worked for you? MFP? =) Thank you ahead of time for your input!


    You can put your data into a calculator, preferably one based on Katch McArdle or Harris Benedict formula, and select the right activity factor, and it gives an estimate for your TDEE. Subtract 10% from this and eat that many calories and look at your results. Be prepared for the fact that lifting + eating more calories often results in water weight gains, so the scale may go up. You need to give your body time to adjust to this, and if your TDEE estimate is good, you should start to slowly lose weight after that. If not, you can adjust the numbers, i.e. eat a bit more or a bit less depending on your results.
  • Jessica_D_Shadow
    Jessica_D_Shadow Posts: 138 Member
    I also just started lifting heavy with a trainer last week. I don't really get nutrition advice from him, but on days I workout, I am around 1900 and rest days, I stay around 1600. It really depends on the day. If I am hungrier, then I eat.

    How did you figure out to choose 1900 calories? TDEE? It just worked for you? MFP? =) Thank you ahead of time for your input!

    My TDEE is around 2100. I keep to 1600 because that's my TDEE - 20%. It's actually 1680, but I leave those extra 80 calories to make up for mints that I may grab from the lobby during the day. On the days I lift, I usually eat more of my calories back if I am hungry. I don't want to hurt anything because my body isn't getting what it needs. I am only 5'2 and have about 10 pounds left to lose so I eat more when I need to keep my muscle and just lose the body fat.

    With TDEE, you're not supposed to eat calories back, but this is what is working for me and it's sustainable.

    Thank you for replying! Is this what you have been using your entire journey? :flowerforyou:
    I am new to heavy lifting, which since I'm a beginner it's not all that heavy yet... This is my 3rd week of lifting heavy on a 12 week program that I found on Bodybuilders.com.... In the article below they give you what your macros should be when doing this program.. That is what I am using.. I have no results yet as I committed to myself not to weight, measure, or comparison pics until after the 12 weeks is up... However... this program up'd my calories considerably and when I do workout I do not add back calories that I burned. I have noticed recently that my appetitie is increasing alot... (MFP had me on 1530 a day to lose 0.5lbs a week and this program has me on 2388 at a minimum).. I have to admit eating this much is scary but I vowed to give it a fair try.. and I knwo I may actually gain weight but that's why I measured.. I'd still like to lose 30 - 40lbs but toning up and trimming fat is my ultimate goal!

    I'm also going my body building programs. Not sure which one, my husband is in charge of that! Hehe. BodyBuilding has be "reaching my goal" WAY before I planned. Man would that be awesome. Haha. What's your BodyShape Username?!

    I'll just throw in my two cents:)

    I like the idea of losing weight slowly and getting stronger. You may notice that on days where you eat more calories you are more successful lifting heavier. If this is the case, and if it makes you happy, consider losing at a slower pace, maybe TDEE minus 10%. Or, you could continue doing what you are doing and you will lose.


    I agree with this. Plus having refeeds every now and then (that's when you eat all your TDEE calories)

    the leaner you are, the harder it is to lose just fat without also getting a loss of lean body mass and strength along with it. If you're serious about lifting, keep your deficit small, and lose the fat slowly. You'll see more progress that way, both in terms of how much you can lift and also in how your body looks. There's no benefit in losing fat quickly. The goal is to maintain a healthy body fat percentage for life, it's not about how quickly you get there. It's about staying there for life.

    Personally, I reached my goal in terms of fat loss about a year ago. I now have a goal which is to gain strength and lean mass. I was 130lb, I'm currently aiming for 140lb, while keeping my body fat percentage roughly the same.

    I am in it for the long haul. I have given myself a year to "lose" 60lbs & get under 28% BF. My ultimate goal is 21% body fat or less. =)


    :heart: Jessica
    Thank you all for your responses! I am heading to work and will get back to everyone else as soon as I can! Thank you all!!! :heart: :drinker: :flowerforyou:
  • NovemberJune
    NovemberJune Posts: 2,525 Member
    Hi! When I was obese, I aimed for TDEE minus 750 calories, when I was overweight, I aimed for TDEE minus 500 calories, and when I got close to goal, I started aiming for just about half a lb per week (250 calories under TDEE).

    This is very insightful. How long were you on your weight loss/get fit journey? How well has your skin kept with you as you lifted & lost weight/inches? :flowerforyou:

    :heart: Jessica

    It took me about a year and a half to lose 85 lbs (about 60 lbs in the first year). I was doing some strength training starting a couple of months in (body weight and dumbbells) and started lifting barbells about a year in (so after I'd lost most of the weight). Loose skin isn't a big problem for me. I have some loose skin on my stomach and some on my thighs, but no big deal to me. Good luck! :smile:

    This is what my stomach looks like now. The loose skin is more noticeable if I bend over. Sometimes I think I can see the abs poking out so hopefully I'll eventually have some abs :wink: I want to lose a little more fat and I'm hoping the skin tightens up a bit more, but we'll see. :smile:

    IMG_5378-1.jpg
  • JodieP13
    JodieP13 Posts: 94 Member
    I'm planning on lifting 5-6 days a week. Right now MFP has be at 1370 cals.

    I use TDEE - 500 calories and do not eat back my exercise calories. Don't forget to incorporate REST days, rest is when you're building muscle during repair.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    I would suggest starting off conservatively and do TDEE * 90% (10% deficit) on lifting days and possibly TDEE * 85% (15% deficit) on non-lifting days. Now non-lifting days could include some cardio as well, not necessarily a day off. See how your body reacts and adjust from there. The worst thing you could do is go too aggressive at 20% - 30% and wear yourself out.

    Also, ChrisDavey posted something about LBM * 12, which is also another way of doing it. You can do LBM * 12 and then progress to LBM * 10 (aggressive) if necessary.
  • Jessica_D_Shadow
    Jessica_D_Shadow Posts: 138 Member
    I would suggest starting off conservatively and do TDEE * 90% (10% deficit) on lifting days and possibly TDEE * 85% (15% deficit) on non-lifting days. Now non-lifting days could include some cardio as well, not necessarily a day off. See how your body reacts and adjust from there. The worst thing you could do is go too aggressive at 20% - 30% and wear yourself out.

    Also, ChrisDavey posted something about LBM * 12, which is also another way of doing it. You can do LBM * 12 and then progress to LBM * 10 (aggressive) if necessary.

    Thank you JNick. I was thinking of doing 30DS as often as possible too. I was really losing inches doing that. But, I'd hate to wear myself out doing lifting & 30DS.

    Anyone have any experience with doing a circuit/body thing like that & weight lifting?
    I'm planning on lifting 5-6 days a week. Right now MFP has be at 1370 cals.

    I use TDEE - 500 calories and do not eat back my exercise calories. Don't forget to incorporate REST days, rest is when you're building muscle during repair.

    How often do you rest Jodie? We are doing lifting by muscle groups. Day 1: Chest & Triceps Day 2: Back & Biceps Day 3: Legs. & My husband has yet to tell me what's next. =D
  • latinbarbie1
    latinbarbie1 Posts: 70 Member
    Well I consume between 1400-1500 calories a day on work out days and 1300 on non work out days. I don't put in my calories burned or work outs on MFP as it alters your calories. I just put it as an exercise note. As I'm trying to still lose weight ( tone up) I need to be in a caloric defisit. All my info btw I have gotten from my personal trainer/nutricionist.
    Hope it helps

    That seems like it'd be pretty low for me. My workout days usually run me 400-1000 calories burned. If I won't ate 1400 a day on workout days I'd be at a net of 1000-400 calories Net.


    I usualy burn around the same amount of calories from 400-1200 and work out 6X a week. So I make sure I eat all my calories. I also don't have starchy carbs and sugar after 4pm
  • Showcase_Brodown
    Showcase_Brodown Posts: 919 Member
    In a deficit, don't expect to gain (much, if any) muscle. The reason you are lifting while losing weight is to keep the muscle you have. You'll be losing weight, and you'll want as much of that coming from fat as you can.

    So I'd go with something conservative for the deficit. You could try cycling calories so you are eating a bit more on the days you are lifting.

    5-6 days lifting might be a lot. I guess it depends how much you are doing each time and how you have it split up, but you could end up over-training. Make sure you get some rest days in there so you're not burning yourself or your muscles out.

    Keep with it. You won't be disappointed in the results weights will give you.
  • Yeller_Sensation
    Yeller_Sensation Posts: 373 Member
    I use the formula in this post and don't log exercise calories at all:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
  • alpine1994
    alpine1994 Posts: 1,915 Member
    Hi!
    I go with MFP's calculations for 1/2lb loss per week. I am essentially at my goal weight.I am 5'8" and I think 141lbs at the moment. I would like to maintain between 135 and 140.

    I lift 3X per week though, doing total body each time. On the in-between days I either run, go to a ballet class, do a Yoga or Pilates DVD, or rest. MPF has me net 1550 and I always eat back exercise cals. Sometimes I will go over on the day after particularly tough workout days because I'm always so hungry on those days. I would rather eat what I feel like my body needs and not lose any weight than deprive myself and be miserable to see a 1lb loss, ya know?

    Good luck with everything girl!