Afraid for my relative.

One of my relatives eats what I consider not a very good diet ( greasy food in the morning and night, to many sweets ) I am worried even though they have no known health problems and are only slightly overweight that if they keep eating like this a health problem will develop. My relative does Bicycle everyday but it's only for a total of 20 minutes, they also lay down right after they eat even greasy meals, I really don't know how they don't get heartburn! Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.
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  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    People have to want to change.
  • soccerdog693
    soccerdog693 Posts: 73 Member
    Agreed. Sometimes trying to approach someone about their weight makes them even more defensive. They start to rationalize what they are doing, or they become depressed, and it tends to make the problem worse. Just try to be a good example - maybe invite them out to eat, or offer to hang out with them doing a fun, workout activity (ie, hour long bike ride, game of basketball, etc).
  • Andreaviolet89
    Andreaviolet89 Posts: 290 Member
    I agree, people have to want to change. I also have a family member who is making bad choices. She is morbidly obese, like maybe 400 lbs and she takes naps everyday. She has no exercise in her life at all and on top of having a poor diet she smokes. We have all talked to her about how she is shortening her life span and I even encouraged her to join this site to track calories. But she insists that she can do it her way and that since she has lost weight in the past she can do it again. Unfortunatly I know that her body image is really holding her back from doing the things she wants to do.
  • juliekin
    juliekin Posts: 139 Member
    You can't fix others but you can be a good example.
  • BarbellBlondieRuns
    BarbellBlondieRuns Posts: 511 Member
    I think that discussing their bad choices is off limits. What you can do is say "hey, I made this delicious recipe the other day that I'd thought you'd love so I copied it down for you!" or "how about we hit the courts together on Saturday?". Just sort of exciting things that include them into your healthy lifestyle.
  • Alex_is_Hawks
    Alex_is_Hawks Posts: 3,499 Member
    just because you perceive a problem doesn't mean there isn't one.....you have to remember you are outside looking in

    and people have to change because they want to as the previous posters said.
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,831 Member
    If you think the person doesn't know how to eat healthily, it's okay to educate them IF THEY WANT TO BE. So, for example, bring up the subject in relation to yourself, how good you feel, how you have increased your exercise, etc., in the spirit of sharing your good news for you with a friend. Then, IF THEY WANT IT, they now know you are willing to share your knowledge. It is their choice whether to ask for it or act on it in some other way.
  • One of my relatives eats what I consider not a very good diet ( greasy food in the morning and night, to many sweets ) I am worried even though they have no known health problems and are only slightly overweight that if they keep eating like this a health problem will develop. My relative does Bicycle everyday but it's only for a total of 20 minutes, they also lay down right after they eat even greasy meals, I really don't know how they don't get heartburn! Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    As long as they see their doc and get an annual physical checking diabetes and cholesterol, they are going to presume they are fine and they may very well be. If they don't want to change, they won't. I see heart attack patients who have open-heart surgeries or lose limbs from diabetes and still do whatever they want. They have a choice and it is not yours to make.
  • Ready2Rock206
    Ready2Rock206 Posts: 9,487 Member
    Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    They don't want your saving.
  • jakesfitness
    jakesfitness Posts: 123 Member
    best thing you can do is be the example... try to really be healthy around then and energetic and everything and then take any oportunity to mention how much better you feel because of your lifestyle.
  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
    Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    Don't be THAT guy. Just because you're trying to get in shape and live a healthy lifestyle, doesn't mean your relative want's to, and he likely doesn't even want to hear about it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The best thing you can do is to keep working on yourself, don't force your views down their throat and maybe someday they'll get to thinking, hey, maybe I should make a change. Until that horse decides to take a drink, there's nothing you need to, or SHOULD do.

    Rigger
  • EatClean_WashUrNuts
    EatClean_WashUrNuts Posts: 1,590 Member
    Are you a doctor? If not and have not completed a physical on him...you know little about his body.


    If you're concerned, talk. No one will change anything they dont want to.
  • TyTy76
    TyTy76 Posts: 1,761 Member
    Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    They don't want your saving.

    Saving?
    What is there to be saved from?
  • lucystacy71
    lucystacy71 Posts: 290 Member
    I understand how you feel. I'm worried for my stepfather. He's obese, diabetic (sugar's often over 400), and has COPD. While I'm just starting my weight loss journey, I'm just doing my best to be a good example. When I can, I cook for him and my mom to introduce him to healthy, delicious meals. In fact, he'll ask me to make my grilled turkey burgers. He says he wants to change, and I'll I can do is to be there for him as a support.
  • deb3129
    deb3129 Posts: 1,294 Member
    best thing you can do is be the example... try to really be healthy around then and energetic and everything and then take any oportunity to mention how much better you feel because of your lifestyle.

    I think this is pretty true. I was that morbidly obese family member that everyone in my family worried about. They tried talking to me about it, some in rude, not very kind ways, and some in a really concerned, helpful attempt. But it just made me resentful and it did not make me change my ways. They have to decide for themselves that they are done being that way, and that they want to change. It is hard watching someone you love make bad choices, but at the end of the day, it is their choice. I have other family members that eat poorly, smoke, etc so I understand how difficult it is.
  • sourmash1973
    sourmash1973 Posts: 149 Member
    No matter the amount of advice you try to give someone, if they don't want it, they aren't going to listen. I know it sucks. I quit smoking over two months ago and have tried to get my girl to do the same. She doesn't want to quit and there is nothing I can do about it. Trust me, I have tried. As much as it sucks and as hard as it is to sit by and watch, until they want to change, they won't.
  • lisabinco
    lisabinco Posts: 1,016 Member
    I understand how you feel, too. A dear family member of mine is overweight, diabetic (insulin shots now), hypertensive and totally inactive. She is my example of what not to do in my old age. But on the other hand, she's in her mid-80s now and doesn't want my "help." Since she will eventually not be here, I have decided to spend my time with her not hassling her over her health. When I'm there, I cook healthy meals and try to be a good example to her, if and when she wants to change.
    Learning to accept people, especially family members, just the way they are is one of the hardest things to learn.
  • NikiChicken
    NikiChicken Posts: 576 Member
    Mind your own business. I say that in the most kind, caring way possible, but it really isn't your business. They have to want to change themselves and nothing you say is going to make a difference, except to offend them, unless they come to you and ask for advice.
  • evileen99
    evileen99 Posts: 1,564 Member
    My advice is to stay out of it. They know what they're doing, and if they want to eat a healthier diet, they will. Nothing you can do or say will change their mind, and offering unwanted advice will only hurt your relationship with this person.
  • CycleGuy9000
    CycleGuy9000 Posts: 290
    Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    Don't be THAT guy. Just because you're trying to get in shape and live a healthy lifestyle, doesn't mean your relative want's to, and he likely doesn't even want to hear about it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The best thing you can do is to keep working on yourself, don't force your views down their throat and maybe someday they'll get to thinking, hey, maybe I should make a change. Until that horse decides to take a drink, there's nothing you need to, or SHOULD do.

    Rigger

    Be WHAT guy? I think you're being harsh.
    I haven't spoken to this person at all about it, it is natural to be concerned for relatives and family members and want to help them. If I was forcing my ideas down their throat then I would't be asking people for ideas of how I could help before attempting.
    According to your horse metaphor it includes leading the horse to water so that's what this is, I don't want to make them do anything I just want to help, don't be so rude.
  • CycleGuy9000
    CycleGuy9000 Posts: 290
    I think that discussing their bad choices is off limits. What you can do is say "hey, I made this delicious recipe the other day that I'd thought you'd love so I copied it down for you!" or "how about we hit the courts together on Saturday?". Just sort of exciting things that include them into your healthy lifestyle.

    Thank you! That is very helpful.
  • CycleGuy9000
    CycleGuy9000 Posts: 290
    Thank You for the help everyone! I love this person regardless of what they look like or eat, I don't want to make them do anything, I'm just concerned and I think I'll just try to be a good example, offer good food when I'm around and ask if they want to go workout with me.
  • StacyReneO
    StacyReneO Posts: 317 Member
    You can't fix anyone but yourself. I know it's hard when someone's behavior affects you, makes you worry, etc. But honestly there is nothing you can do, except not enable the person in any way. Also don't nag, scold or complain, don't give any unsolicited advice as it's the same as criticism (I'm pulling out all my al-anon rules!). Live or die - it's up to them!
  • susannamarie
    susannamarie Posts: 2,148 Member
    Thank You for the help everyone! I love this person regardless of what they look like or eat, I don't want to make them do anything, I'm just concerned and I think I'll just try to be a good example, offer good food when I'm around and ask if they want to go workout with me.

    It might be a good idea to invite them to some physical activity that's not as formal as 'work out' -- like going to the park, something -- it's a lot less intimidating.
  • vingogly
    vingogly Posts: 1,785 Member
    A Russian saint, St Seraphim of Sarov, said something like: "acquire inner peace and thousands around you will be saved". Meaning, the best way to evangelize others is to change yourself. I embarked on this lifestyle change because I wasn't ready to die, or (worse) be miserable in my old age. As the changes became evident, friends started asking what I was doing. One friend's lost over 50 pounds.
  • Afura
    Afura Posts: 2,054 Member
    Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    Don't be THAT guy. Just because you're trying to get in shape and live a healthy lifestyle, doesn't mean your relative want's to, and he likely doesn't even want to hear about it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The best thing you can do is to keep working on yourself, don't force your views down their throat and maybe someday they'll get to thinking, hey, maybe I should make a change. Until that horse decides to take a drink, there's nothing you need to, or SHOULD do.

    Rigger

    Be WHAT guy? I think you're being harsh.
    I haven't spoken to this person at all about it, it is natural to be concerned for relatives and family members and want to help them. If I was forcing my ideas down their throat then I would't be asking people for ideas of how I could help before attempting.
    According to your horse metaphor it includes leading the horse to water so that's what this is, I don't want to make them do anything I just want to help, don't be so rude.
    He's not being rude. They're saying don't be that guy that is into health and fitness and pushes it on people regardless of wether or not they want to hear it (or their children, or their new boat, <insert topic here>). He's not sainy you have or will be, just don't be that person, and you can be that person even when you think you're not. I've tried talking to my parents about eating less snacks, or at least more healthy snacks, but it just comes off preachy no matter how I try it, and you can't convince him that his snack is not unhealthy (which it's not, it's the other 3 he has too...)
    As far as his metaphor goes, you can lead your relative to the domain of healthy living, but you can't make them want it, or do it. In actuality, the more you might try, the more you might force them away.
    As far as tips, the recipe idea is good, so is inviting them to the gym, out on a walk, etc.
  • CycleGuy9000
    CycleGuy9000 Posts: 290
    Thank You for the help everyone! I love this person regardless of what they look like or eat, I don't want to make them do anything, I'm just concerned and I think I'll just try to be a good example, offer good food when I'm around and ask if they want to go workout with me.

    It might be a good idea to invite them to some physical activity that's not as formal as 'work out' -- like going to the park, something -- it's a lot less intimidating.

    Good idea, right so I'm not saying hey you're out of shape and need to work out but hey come walking with me or throw the frisbee.
  • CycleGuy9000
    CycleGuy9000 Posts: 290
    A Russian saint, St Seraphim of Sarov, said something like: "acquire inner peace and thousands around you will be saved". Meaning, the best way to evangelize others is to change yourself. I embarked on this lifestyle change because I wasn't ready to die, or (worse) be miserable in my old age. As the changes became evident, friends started asking what I was doing. One friend's lost over 50 pounds.

    You are very wise, thank you.
  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
    Give me some tips and advice please on how to help this person, they are very closed off to advice and if you try to suggest things to them they get very defensive.

    Don't be THAT guy. Just because you're trying to get in shape and live a healthy lifestyle, doesn't mean your relative want's to, and he likely doesn't even want to hear about it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The best thing you can do is to keep working on yourself, don't force your views down their throat and maybe someday they'll get to thinking, hey, maybe I should make a change. Until that horse decides to take a drink, there's nothing you need to, or SHOULD do.

    Rigger

    Be WHAT guy? I think you're being harsh.
    I haven't spoken to this person at all about it, it is natural to be concerned for relatives and family members and want to help them. If I was forcing my ideas down their throat then I would't be asking people for ideas of how I could help before attempting.
    According to your horse metaphor it includes leading the horse to water so that's what this is, I don't want to make them do anything I just want to help, don't be so rude.

    I don't mean to sound harsh, just to say that trying to talk to this person is likely to turn them off in a big way, they have to want it, and lets face it, a large portion of people who decide to get fit become annoying about it. Not saying this applies to you, but regardless, it is how you would likely come across whether you wanted to or not. With regard to my metaphor, the way to lead this horse to water (since humans don't usually wear reigns) is to be a good example as other posters said, don't talk, just do and hope that they get motivated on their own. That's all I was saying, apologies if it came off as harsh.

    Rigger
  • CycleGuy9000
    CycleGuy9000 Posts: 290
    Ok thank you, I understand now that you were just saying not to turn into that guy, some people can be really annoying with their preachy fitness stuff, I promise I won't turn into that guy.