BMR ans weightloss confusion
laurentavener
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I think I need a bit of help....lol
According to this site, my BMR is 1723. I wish to lose 3lbs a week (6 day week) as I have quite a bit to lose. Therefore I need to burn off 1750 kcals a day. The confusion lies in, if I were to just burn off what I eat, would my BMR of 1723 odd make up the deficit to lose the weight?
Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated
According to this site, my BMR is 1723. I wish to lose 3lbs a week (6 day week) as I have quite a bit to lose. Therefore I need to burn off 1750 kcals a day. The confusion lies in, if I were to just burn off what I eat, would my BMR of 1723 odd make up the deficit to lose the weight?
Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated
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Just a few clarifying questions so that we can give you the most direct answer..... First, why only the 6 day week? Are you going to have a cheat day on the 7th day? Just curious as to the number 6. Also are you saying that for everything you eat in a day, calorie number "X", you are going to do "Y" amount of exercise so that the calories burned in the day are Y=X?0
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First off, your BMR is probably not actually that high. If you have a lot to lose, you probably have a fairly high body fat %, which will make your BMR not as high as it would be if your BF% was closer to normal. Google Katch-Mcardle BMR calculator and use that to figure your BMR. The calculator that MFP uses doesn't take your BF% into account.
Second, 3 lbs a week is extremely aggressive after you have lost your first big chunk of water weight in the first month. 2 lbs a week is more reasonable for you.
The rest of your post is a bit confusing.
If I understand the question correctly, burning off ALL the calories you eat every day is not a very healthy way to lose weight over a long term. However, if you eat around that amount and exercise moderately 3-5 days a week, you should probably lose 1-2 lbs a week fairly easily.
BTW, the exercise database on here can be quite a bit high for women with a higher BF%. Especially for cycling and elliptical machines, dancing videos, etc. Get yourself a heart rate monitor with a chest strap if you want a more accurate number of calories burned. I would never count more than 400 cals per hour for a calorie burn, unless you are a male, an elite athlete, or are doing some serious high intensity cardio that maxes your HR out for an extended period of time. Just because you weigh more, doesn't necessarily mean that you will burn that much more. Again, your body fat % makes a difference.0 -
First off, you are never going to be able to regulate your weight loss that way. Weight loss could be fat, water, or muscle. The body has very specific reactions to weight loss that you have very little control over. Additionally, as a female, hormones are going to cause you water fluctuations that will appear on the scale temporarily, but will ultimately interfere with an accurate reading of your progress.
BMR is the bare minimum that your body requires to perform all of its automatic functions such as breathing, pumping blood, and what not. If you go below this number in calorie consumption for an extended period of time, your body will react as if it were starving, and will release hormones that will increase your appetite and cause you to burn less calories. The total energy required for automatic AND concious activity is referred to as 'Total Daily Energy Expenditure' or TDEE.
The body regards stored fat as an essential organ. If it is forced to rely to excessively on stored fat, then it will draw upon other sources (muscle or even organ tissue in extreme cases) to diversify that demand and preserve the stored fat as much as possible.
It is generally recommended that people eat at a calorie deficit between 10% to 30% below TDEE, but above BMR, to ensure that the body focuses on stored body fat to make up the energy requirements that are not met by calorie intake.0 -
For those who have considerable amount of stored body fat, it is perfectly fine to eat a little below your BMR (100-200pt) for awhile, until your BF% gets closer to the normal range. Once you get down to 30 pounds or so to lose, then you will need to be more careful about not going below your BMR for very long periods.
But until you know your ACTUAL BMR, then you don't know where that line is.
If you use the Katch-Mcardle calculator, you will need to know your body fat %. Google 'Military body fat % calculator' and you can enter your neck, waist, and hip measurements to figure your BF%. Then use that number to figure your BMR.
If you have 80 pounds to lose, your BF% is probably over 40%, if that helps any.0 -
Here is a link to a good calculator. The one on the right uses your BF% and the one on your left gives you your BMR based on age and height for your ideal weight.
http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm0 -
3lb per week loss is an unsustainable goal - It is very unlikely that you gained weight at a rate of 3lb per week so to expect your body to lose it that quickly is rather unreasonable.
2lb per week would be more sensible, and only then if you have a lot of weight to lose. Sensible, sustainable weight loss should be around 1lb per week. This ensures that you are losing mostly FAT, not MUSCLE.
Set up MFP as per its built in recommendations. Eat back your exercise calories.
OR calculate your TDEE and take a 20% cut (but in this case don't eat back your exercise cals).
Trying to burn off your BMR (I assume you mean by exercise) would not be recommended. For most people this would equate to several hours of exercise every day.0 -
I only want to lose 3lbs a week for a month or so.
As an example, if I were to eat 2000kcals, my BMR would burn 1700 of that, therefore I would have to burn another 2000kcals working out to make the deficit to lose the weight. So that works out as burning off what I eat. From what I understand, you lose weight when you are in a deficit.
I do 2 hours of cardio a day, plus weightlifting different muscle groups every day.
I have about 30kg to lose to get to my target weight.0 -
I only want to lose 3lbs a week for a month or so.
As an example, if I were to eat 2000kcals, my BMR would burn 1700 of that, therefore I would have to burn another 2000kcals working out to make the deficit to lose the weight. So that works out as burning off what I eat. From what I understand, you lose weight when you are in a deficit.
I do 2 hours of cardio a day, plus weightlifting different muscle groups every day.
I have about 30kg to lose to get to my target weight.
I'm sorry, but you have BMR and TDEE very confused.0 -
What is your height and weight? It seems there's a chance you're mixing up TDEE and BMR but we need a little more info.0
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I think thats why I'm confused lol.
I'm 5ft 7 and I weight 96kg.
I just need a definitive answer as I'm going a bit loopy trying to figure it out!
Thanks for all the help0 -
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
Go to this website, plug in your numbers for steps 1 - 5, ignore the weightloss percentage thing for now, we'll get to that after we have the right numbers and info. Then tell us what it says for your BMR and TDEE are.0 -
Ok. Done that: BMR=1741
TDEE=33090 -
Ok. Done that: BMR=1741
TDEE=3309
Your TDEE would only exceed your BMR by that much if you are working out A LOT.
But assuming that it is accurately calculated:
Your deficit should be based on TDEE. It is considered that 30% below TDEE will ensure that your weight loss will primarily be fat loss. Therefore, you should eat at least 2300 calories a day. The rate at which you will lose will probably come out to what you want to lose (3 lbs a week), but it will really depend on how much you have to lose. Also, you won't consistently lose the same amount of weight. Over time, 3 lbs a week will decrease to 2 lbs a week to 1 lbs a week. It just depends on how much body fat you have to lose at the time.
Also, your BMR will lower as you lose weight so you will have to adjust your calorie goal over time.0 -
Sure, thanks for that. I work out 2 hours a day plus weights.
So, if I were to eat the 2300kcals as you suggested, how do I work that out against what I burn through exercise? Would that mean whatever I burn, thats the amount im in deficit by?0 -
Exactly what UsedToBeHusky is saying, now the way MFP works when you plug in exercise and such can add to the confusion of how much to eat and such so feel free to ask any questions on that. But if you stick to the numbers from above for a good portion of time, you'll see the weight come off. Good luck!!0
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Or do I not need to worry about the number of calories burnt?0
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Sure, thanks for that. I work out 2 hours a day plus weights.
So, if I were to eat the 2300kcals as you suggested, how do I work that out against what I burn through exercise? Would that mean whatever I burn, thats the amount im in deficit by?
Yes. You would not want to eat back exercise calories using this method. But you also have to manually set your calorie goal in MFP.0 -
If you're gonna eat the 2300, don't work it against anything. It's already factored in. If you work out that much and eat that amount the deficit is already included and calculating it doesn't change anything. Your best bet is to do that for a month, see what your drop is and use that to create a more concise and accurate diet plan if weightloss prediction and projection is your goal.0
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(I think I might be carrying all of my fat in my brain lol)
If I eat 2300 kcals a day, does that mean I have to burn off around 3000kcals to get the 1700kcals a day deficit for the 3lbs a week weight loss?0 -
(I think I might be carrying all of my fat in my brain lol)
If I eat 2300 kcals a day, does that mean I have to burn off around 3000kcals to get the 1700kcals a day deficit for the 3lbs a week weight loss?
If you have predicted your TDEE accurately, and follow your exercise routine consistently, then you won't need to worry about the calorie burns from your workouts. Your TDEE is a total of your calories needed for automatic functioning, calories needed for exercise, and calories needed just to get through your day (that is another acronym, NEAT, you might want to look into).0 -
Thank you so much! I just got stuck in all the maths of it! Ill give that a go0
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Just to give you something to reference:
TDEE = BMR + NEAT0 -
BMR is the number of calories your body burns sustaining essential functions like breathing and keeping your blood pumping. This would be the number of calories the doctors would feed you through a tube if you were laying in bed in a coma.
TDEE is BMR+the amount of calories you burn completing day to day activities like cooking, going to work, exercise etc...
So lets say that your BMR is 1700 cals and your TDEE is 2200 cals (making up these numbers, cause I don't know them for real), if you ate 2200 cals you would maintain your current weight. Theoretically, any amount you ate less than 2200 cals you should lose weight. However, if you ate below 1700 cals you would be dipping into the amount of calories your body needs to maintain essential functions. Your body would still use those calories for essential functions but non-essential functions like hair and nail growth will not get the calories they need to function properly. Also, the higher the cut in calories the more lean muscle your body is going to dip into for cals.
For me, when I read that an obese person actually has more muscle mass from carrying around extra weight I decided that I would do everything I could to keep that muscle while losing fat. Why? Because more muscle means higher metabolism. I don't want my body fighting against me. The approach I have taken is more moderate which means the weight-loss has been slower, but it is sustainable for the long-term. I lift weights 3x per week and do HIIT 1-2x per week. I eat between 2000 and 2500 cals a day. I don't always see movement on the scale but I see steady improvement in my physique.
I can't say enough about being patient.
Eta: While I was typing you gave your actual numbers. Your TDEE already has your exercise calories figured in so you would not eat back exercise calories.0 -
Right, last question;
If my BMR is 1700 and I eat 600kcals, would that be a deficit of 1100?
As I've been working on calories consumed minus BMR minus calories burnt through exercise to get my deficit. So thats wrong?
Also, I'm not in a rush to get through it, I just think that 3lbs loss a week to begin with is about right.0 -
Right, last question;
If my BMR is 1700 and I eat 600kcals, would that be a deficit of 1100?
As I've been working on calories consumed minus BMR minus calories burnt through exercise to get my deficit. So thats wrong?
Yes, that is wrong. You need to eat over your BMR and under your TDEE. Never eat below BMR.0 -
Ok, last example; if I ate 2303 and burnt off 1131.9 in exercise, would I deduct my BMR from that to make a deficit of -548.1? (That was my day yesterday.)
I know I'm being frustrating, I'm just worried about doing the wrong thing0 -
2303 is already eating at a deficit, just eat that.0
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2303 is already eating at a deficit, just eat that.
This. You are deducting from TDEE not BMR, remember.
And if you are deducting from TDEE, you do not need to concern yourself with exercise calories because exercise is included in your TDEE.
Again:
TDEE (all the energy you need for the day) = BMR (the energy needed for automatic functions) + NEAT (exercise AND all other concious activity; cleaning, driving, typing)
Estimate your TDEE, then subtract a deficit of 30%, and then eat that. Exercise calories are not a concern because they are accounted for in your TDEE.0 -
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Ok, last example; if I ate 2303 and burnt off 1131.9 in exercise, would I deduct my BMR from that to make a deficit of -548.1? (That was my day yesterday.)
I know I'm being frustrating, I'm just worried about doing the wrong thing
You do not need a negative to be in deficit. If your TDEE is around 3300 as you already stated but you ate 2300 then your deficit for the day is 1000 cals.
TDEE - food intake = deficit
3300 - 2300 = 1000
Do this over the course of a week and that's a 7000 cal deficit, which would give a projected weight loss of 2lbs.0
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