How do I gain muscle....not just weight? (The Holy Grail)

emloba3000
emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
edited January 30 in Food and Nutrition
Arghhh....take two. I wasn't sure where to post this query, it's kind of an Introduce yourself/nutrition/exercise hybrid. I hope it finds someone who can impart some wisdom :)

Hi,

I have been on MFP for two weeks now, so I'm just getting to grips with it. It has been such an eye opener! I know what I should be eating, but it is so good to be able to track what I am actually consuming and see where I can make improvements.

The issue I have now, is how to increase my muscle mass. I am 5ft 5in and weigh 50.5kg. I am happy to gain weight, but I am nervous that if I don't make the right adjustments to my exercise plan, or eat the right foods (at the right times) that I will gain weight but not muscle.

At the moment I have set my goals to 40/30/30 Carbs/Protein/Fat and to maintain my weight. I know this is not quite right for muscle gain, but would like some advice before I take the plunge and up my calories.

I will be grateful for any advice

Thanks

Emma

Replies

  • GetSoda
    GetSoda Posts: 1,267 Member
    What does your weight training program look like?
  • jasonheyd
    jasonheyd Posts: 524 Member
    GetSoda's asking the key question. :)

    The nutshell version is going to be "lift heavy". Basically you want to look at one of a few good exercise routines that focus on core compound exercises & a steady progression.

    Probably the most popular are Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength, All Pro's Simple Beginner's Routine, and Strong Lifts 5x5:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224&page=1

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4195843&page=1

    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

    Personally, I'd recommend the first two over the third, but SL5x5 has a lot of fans around here.

    In addition, this page can help you figure out where to set your calorie target & has some diet guidance as well:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    ETA: The 40/30/30 ratio may be fine for gaining muscle mass. Everyone's a little different, but you'll find recommendations of ~1g per lb. of lean body mass as a starting point for "bulking", with some folks going higher. I'm sure other folks will chime in with what's worked for them & what they recommend. :)
  • tedrickp
    tedrickp Posts: 1,229 Member
    Great guide to nutrition for people looking to build strength or muscle:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvW6xBZjSk

    That is the first video in a series by Eric Helms. Eric Helms is the man and is exceptional at making complicated things sound simple.
  • kdiamond
    kdiamond Posts: 3,329 Member
    You will need to bulk (eat at surplus) and lift heavy on a good program.

    You are at a good starting weight, slightly underweight but ok for starting a bulk. Eat slightly over maintenance to start, maybe 200-300 calories daily (you can start smaller and work your way up to this) and lift heavy 3-4 times a week. No cardio.

    It might take a good 6 months but you can put on some nice muscle in 6 months.
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    It's a bit adhoc to be honest. I tend to train with kettlebells, freeweights and bodyweight at home 2 or 3 times a week (plus cardio at the gym) and although I try to give myself a well-rounded workout over the week, I have no defined structure. I think direction is what I am after. Your question has identified my main issue. This thinking out loud thing works :)
  • GetSoda
    GetSoda Posts: 1,267 Member
    It's a bit adhoc to be honest. I tend to train with kettlebells, freeweights and bodyweight at home 2 or 3 times a week (plus cardio at the gym) and although I try to give myself a well-rounded workout over the week, I have no defined structure. I think direction is what I am after. Your question has identified my main issue. This thinking out loud thing works :)

    mixing stuff up is good (using multiple toools), but training without consistency and a clear progression plan will hinder your ability to pack on the good stuff.
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    Thank you. That's brilliant. Just what I'm after...a bit of direction. You were right GetSoda's question was bang on the money. I'll give these a look in the morning and see what I come up with. Thanks. Appreciate it :)
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    Thank you. I'll give this a look in the morning. Simplicity will be very welcome. All this nutrition malarkey is a minefield. Thanks for replying :)
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    You will need to bulk (eat at surplus) and lift heavy on a good program.

    You are at a good starting weight, slightly underweight but ok for starting a bulk. Eat slightly over maintenance to start, maybe 200-300 calories daily (you can start smaller and work your way up to this) and lift heavy 3-4 times a week. No cardio.

    It might take a good 6 months but you can put on some nice muscle in 6 months.

    No cardio? Really? :(
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    It's a bit adhoc to be honest. I tend to train with kettlebells, freeweights and bodyweight at home 2 or 3 times a week (plus cardio at the gym) and although I try to give myself a well-rounded workout over the week, I have no defined structure. I think direction is what I am after. Your question has identified my main issue. This thinking out loud thing works :)

    mixing stuff up is good (using multiple toools), but training without consistency and a clear progression plan will hinder your ability to pack on the good stuff.

    Yes, I definitely need a plan. JasonHeyd has posted a couple of options. Going to take a look in the morning. Thanks
  • GetSoda
    GetSoda Posts: 1,267 Member
    You will need to bulk (eat at surplus) and lift heavy on a good program.

    You are at a good starting weight, slightly underweight but ok for starting a bulk. Eat slightly over maintenance to start, maybe 200-300 calories daily (you can start smaller and work your way up to this) and lift heavy 3-4 times a week. No cardio.

    It might take a good 6 months but you can put on some nice muscle in 6 months.

    No cardio? Really? :(

    Cardio can eat up a calorie surplus. Just account for it....
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    You will need to bulk (eat at surplus) and lift heavy on a good program.

    You are at a good starting weight, slightly underweight but ok for starting a bulk. Eat slightly over maintenance to start, maybe 200-300 calories daily (you can start smaller and work your way up to this) and lift heavy 3-4 times a week. No cardio.

    It might take a good 6 months but you can put on some nice muscle in 6 months.

    No cardio? Really? :(

    Cardio can eat up a calorie surplus. Just account for it....

    Ok, so probably squeeze in an extra meal on Body Combat days then. Too much fun to give it up :)
  • jasonheyd
    jasonheyd Posts: 524 Member
    Ok, so probably squeeze in an extra meal on Body Combat days then. Too much fun to give it up :)

    The biggest problem with cardio is that it can interfere with your strength training. The extent to which that happens will depend on the routine that you pick, how well you space it out, and what type / intensity of cardio.

    That's one thing that I do like about All Pro's program... There's a royal boat-load of related information in the thread that I linked above, and more in other FAQ type threads, but it really comes down to, "Don't over-do the cardio the day before your heavy lift session" (which is typically the first of three in a given week).

    So, you'd be looking at something like:

    Sun : Rest
    Mon : Heavy lift
    Tue : Light cardio
    Wed : Medium lift
    Thu : Light cardio
    Fri : Light lift
    Sat : Heavy cardio

    ... repeat.

    Either of the other programs can be managed similarly, but they key -- if you want to increase muscle mass and make progress with the routine -- will be to make sure your muscles are well rested for the strength training. If you plateau early on any of those programs, you're either not eating enough, not resting enough, or both. :)
  • AverageUkDude
    AverageUkDude Posts: 371 Member
    Make sure your bulk slowly to avoid putting on too much bodyfat, you main gain an odd pound or two but chances are if you haven't lifted before your noob gains will be the majority of the weight increase
  • jppd47
    jppd47 Posts: 737 Member
    Not sure how much you cardio now, but long duration cardio interfered with my strength gains when I was focused on lifting and gaining muscle. I did small sprints only (2-5x 300 yard shuttle sprints) 1 or 2 days a week or the occasional bike ride. After 12 weeks of that I still ran my fastest 2 mile ever, never running more than 300 yards at one time.

    Heavy weights, compound lifts, will tax your whole body. Make ya stronger every where. Keeping the cardio limited will help you recover faster from lift day to lift day
  • _EndGame_
    _EndGame_ Posts: 770 Member
    Generally, if you weight train and eat over your calorie deficit, you will build muscle.

    If you lift weights and eat below your calorie deficit, you will tone muscle, and you're more likely to burn fat, as opposed to lean muscle.
  • born2drum
    born2drum Posts: 731 Member
    Arghhh....take two. I wasn't sure where to post this query, it's kind of an Introduce yourself/nutrition/exercise hybrid. I hope it finds someone who can impart some wisdom :)

    Hi,

    I have been on MFP for two weeks now, so I'm just getting to grips with it. It has been such an eye opener! I know what I should be eating, but it is so good to be able to track what I am actually consuming and see where I can make improvements.

    The issue I have now, is how to increase my muscle mass. I am 5ft 5in and weigh 50.5kg. I am happy to gain weight, but I am nervous that if I don't make the right adjustments to my exercise plan, or eat the right foods (at the right times) that I will gain weight but not muscle.

    At the moment I have set my goals to 40/30/30 Carbs/Protein/Fat and to maintain my weight. I know this is not quite right for muscle gain, but would like some advice before I take the plunge and up my calories.

    I will be grateful for any advice

    Thanks

    Emma

    This is the same as asking how can I gain muscle and lost body fat? It's really difficult to do two things at the same time especially when they both rely on either a calorie surplus or deficit.

    If you weight lift on a deficit and maintain proper protein intake, you will maintain lean body mass which will make it seem like you are gaining muscle but in reality you are simply toning. However, if you want to be safe, you can eat at maintenance or slightly above and lift so you can gain some muscle mass.
  • emloba3000
    emloba3000 Posts: 8 Member
    Thank you all for your replies. I've got lots of reading to do, but I have a much better idea of where I'm starting now.

    I've upped my calories, and although I've not settled on a specific plan yet, I pushed myself hard last night with a tabata kettlebell workout using a heavier weight than I would normally choose. I have a good ache today :)

    I'm going to decide on a plan this weekend and see where it takes me.

    Thank you
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