Future possibilities of Human evolution

ninerbuff
ninerbuff Posts: 49,484 Spam Moderator
edited January 30 in Chit-Chat
Could we be losing our pinkie toe? Have less hair? Actually have muscle atrophy (gasp)? An interesting look at what the future may hold for human race.

http://listverse.com/2012/11/26/top-10-possible-next-steps-in-human-evolution/

Even better is that for those who don't believe in evolution, here's some proof that it's still happening.

http://listverse.com/2009/01/05/top-10-signs-of-evolution-in-modern-man/

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  • tanashai
    tanashai Posts: 207 Member
    I've heard of the pinky toe one! I don't know about hairlessness though; while body hair is seen as less attractive (at least in females), there is still a great deal of attraction given over to hair on the head and I can't see that trend changing. Same with eyebrows; not only do humans without eyebrows find themselves considered strange, but we also use them for communication. Actually many women use scalp hair for it too (flipping hair to flirt, etc), so I don't know if I agree with that prediction.

    Getting taller and muscle atrophy... I'm picturing a lot of very weak giants XD, though anyone wanting to explore space would be more muscular as part of the program to get ready to go and to be prepared for wherever they landed (unless those explorers used cryogenics to sleep the trip away).

    Neat list! It's so interesting to see what the distant future could look like.
  • SergeantG
    SergeantG Posts: 92 Member
    Perhaps we will evolve to where we could maybe fly? How about some gills? That would be cool....

    I would like to evolve the ability to control all the matter around me....kind of like the Force!!! LOL

    If we evolved from a single cell organism, think of what will become of us in another trillion years....our sun will probably super nova befor that happens though! :o)

    *BOOM*
  • bearkisses
    bearkisses Posts: 1,252 Member
    I had jaw surgery when I was 16. In preparation for it, they wanted to look at my xrays (obviously) and check things out. The dr. informed me I would not be getting wisdom teeth as he should have seen something in my jaw...and now 27, no wisdom teeth! I am living proof! :P
  • SirBonerFart
    SirBonerFart Posts: 1,185 Member
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  • vienna_h
    vienna_h Posts: 428 Member
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    That's pretty much what I was imagining too!

    At this point, humans are capable of using technology to overcome most things that would be selected against in nature, so I doubt they will be dramatic changes. Most of the changes we've seen have been adaptions to our lazy lifestyle, less wisdom teeth as we use forks and process more foods, overall less muscular, less intelligence, etc.
  • griff7809
    griff7809 Posts: 611 Member
    very interesting...

    thanks for sharing.
  • aakaakaak
    aakaakaak Posts: 1,240 Member
    First off, nice link Ninerbuff! Looking at these always gets you to think.

    Second off, these are just my opinions. I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm just putting it out there as I see it. I've been wrong in the past, and will probably be wrong on a few of these points due to being an imperfect person.

    Many of those make me cringe from the lack of scientific data backing them up properly, or the way they take a microtrend and extend it 200,000 years into the future.

    10. Monoethnicity is highly unlikely. We will see a trend moving towards that as mores are broken, racism is reduced and international borders dissolve. However, nature has a tendency towards difference. I'm at a loss to remember the name of the scientific theory that talks about a perfect evolution, but the root of a perfect evolution is that it would implode because of such a monoculture. A fungus or plague would come along and wipe us all out in the blink of an eye.

    9. Weakened immune systems - I'd like to see the science that backs this up for it to be an evolutionary change and not just an environmental one. I find this highly unlikely as an outcome.

    8. Muscle atrophy? Nope. More likely would be a general adjustment to the new (relatively speaking) diets everyone has now. Basically the body's answer to the paleo diet.

    7. Increased height is plausible, but the article goes into the current trend of increased height. They fail to mention that a good portion of the increased height is caused by diet.

    6. As we move towards, but not into, a more monoethnic society we will generally lose some hair. However, it's unlikely to go away completely. However, our hair may evolve, similar to how scales became feathers, which became hair, or vice versa. It may evolve into something else? The genes for hair or scales or feathers have been with pretty much all animals since we climbed out of the primordial soup.

    5. Brain rewiring is definitely happening. This is obvious to see. Those who can think in today's society succeed.

    4. Yes, our teeth are getting smaller. However, we might not lose our wisdom teeth for the same or similar reason we probably won't lose all our hair.

    3. Less toes aren't going to happen. We still use our pinkie toe. The two smallest toes may web and eventually merge, but we will still retain some remnants of that bone. It's in the genes. A bird's wings still effectively has five "fingers" within it. The wing still hinges at the "elbow". I don't see us losing a digit. The fingers may get longer due to the way we use them, but we're not going to lose a toe.

    2. An increase or decrease is possible, but I don't see any reason for it. If they're talking about capacity, then maybe, but we still operate at a higher capacity (as far as we know) than pretty much all of the animals with larger brains than we do. If I remember correctly, we may get more wrinkled brains, but not larger ones. However, if we did get bigger skulls I would bet women's hips would widen to accommodate it. They used to be called "birthing hips" for a reason.

    1. Self improvement - Yes, we're already doing gene therapy and limited "selective breeding" by way of sperm banks. You pick a bio of someone donating, right? That's effectively some level of genetic selection. You're not going to inseminate the sperm of someone with Tay Sachs. I don't see why this won't continue and grow.
  • sabified
    sabified Posts: 1,035 Member
    Bump for later!
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,484 Spam Moderator
    First off, nice link Ninerbuff! Looking at these always gets you to think.

    Second off, these are just my opinions. I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm just putting it out there as I see it. I've been wrong in the past, and will probably be wrong on a few of these points due to being an imperfect person.

    Many of those make me cringe from the lack of scientific data backing them up properly, or the way they take a microtrend and extend it 200,000 years into the future.

    10. Monoethnicity is highly unlikely. We will see a trend moving towards that as mores are broken, racism is reduced and international borders dissolve. However, nature has a tendency towards difference. I'm at a loss to remember the name of the scientific theory that talks about a perfect evolution, but the root of a perfect evolution is that it would implode because of such a monoculture. A fungus or plague would come along and wipe us all out in the blink of an eye.
    If I'm correct, there have been species that were wiped out by plague, bacterial infection or virus? So if that's the case, then why couldn't happen to humans? And if it did, then wouldn't evolution "look" for the next dominant species?
    9. Weakened immune systems - I'd like to see the science that backs this up for it to be an evolutionary change and not just an environmental one. I find this highly unlikely as an outcome.
    Yeah, it's a nice theory, but I'd like to see the science too.
    8. Muscle atrophy? Nope. More likely would be a general adjustment to the new (relatively speaking) diets everyone has now. Basically the body's answer to the paleo diet.
    Well based on how weight in humans are increasing, that would trump atrophy since more muscle is activated when resistance increases.
    7. Increased height is plausible, but the article goes into the current trend of increased height. They fail to mention that a good portion of the increased height is caused by diet.
    I do believe they did mention nutrition as a factor.
    6. As we move towards, but not into, a more monoethnic society we will generally lose some hair. However, it's unlikely to go away completely. However, our hair may evolve, similar to how scales became feathers, which became hair, or vice versa. It may evolve into something else? The genes for hair or scales or feathers have been with pretty much all animals since we climbed out of the primordial soup.
    Hair on the head, I see staying. Body hair, I can see going. Personally I have very little body hair and I'm know it has something to do with my ethnicity (Asian).
    5. Brain rewiring is definitely happening. This is obvious to see. Those who can think in today's society succeed.
    Agree.
    4. Yes, our teeth are getting smaller. However, we might not lose our wisdom teeth for the same or similar reason we probably won't lose all our hair.
    I think we will lose wisdom teeth. My dentist mentioned that a lot of his younger patients don't have them. Correlaton?
    3. Less toes aren't going to happen. We still use our pinkie toe. The two smallest toes may web and eventually merge, but we will still retain some remnants of that bone. It's in the genes. A bird's wings still effectively has five "fingers" within it. The wing still hinges at the "elbow". I don't see us losing a digit. The fingers may get longer due to the way we use them, but we're not going to lose a toe.
    This would be interesting to know if it happens or not. As mentioned, unlike other primates, we don't use the muscles in our feet for "gripping" so the underdevelopment of the tendons and muscles are causing issues in some (plantar faciitis). Consequently, some are being born without it.
    2. An increase or decrease is possible, but I don't see any reason for it. If they're talking about capacity, then maybe, but we still operate at a higher capacity (as far as we know) than pretty much all of the animals with larger brains than we do. If I remember correctly, we may get more wrinkled brains, but not larger ones. However, if we did get bigger skulls I would bet women's hips would widen to accommodate it. They used to be called "birthing hips" for a reason.
    It's funny that with as much capacity that we have for intelligence, we lack a lot of natural instinct. I remember the movie "Blue Lagoon" and when Brooke Shields gave birth and had no idea that she had to breast feed a newborn since she was never exposed to it. Basically all other animals don't have this issue.
    1. Self improvement - Yes, we're already doing gene therapy and limited "selective breeding" by way of sperm banks. You pick a bio of someone donating, right? That's effectively some level of genetic selection. You're not going to inseminate the sperm of someone with Tay Sachs. I don't see why this won't continue and grow.
    As well as gene doping. Scientists are currently looking on how to "remove" bad genes that can cause terminal illness.


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  • gzus7freek
    gzus7freek Posts: 494 Member
    In to read when I get home.....
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    The article reads as if the author has a very rudimentary (and naive) understanding of evolutionary processes. Just because something isn't 'needed' in the sense of every day convenience, doesn't mean it's going to go away. We'd be just as likely to gain more toes if it isn't a determining factor in reproductive success. The absence of selection pressure on a locus or phenotype allows a larger variety of mutations to exist and thus produces divergence/variety/polymorphism rather than an 'everyone loses their little toe' type of result.

    They also ignored simple/obvious things such as the fact that germs are also going to evolve in response to increased use of various technologies to fight them.
  • _noob_
    _noob_ Posts: 3,306 Member
    Genetic "winning" is about who reproduces. So in the future humans will shift genetically towards those populations producing the most offspring. This seldom coincides with what we judge as " winning" by developed society.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    Exactly. People think of evolution as "survival of the fittest" (which is just a tautology anyway) and then proceed to imagine what "fitness" means in terms of convenience and pain and happiness and other feelings, and things defined by cultural norms as good or bad, none of which have anything to do with how many copies of which genes are likely to exist in future generations.
  • aakaakaak
    aakaakaak Posts: 1,240 Member
    If I'm correct, there have been species that were wiped out by plague, bacterial infection or virus? So if that's the case, then why couldn't happen to humans? And if it did, then wouldn't evolution "look" for the next dominant species?

    Most of europe was wiped out by a plague. A good portion of the survivors basically have super immunities. They're also the one way you can legitimately cure aids. You see, they're highly resistant to aids already. So far that I know, they've given bone marrow/stem cells to two leukemia patients and they are now 100% HIV and AIDS free.

    Have a link:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2156697/How-man-cured-AIDS-inspired-doctors-discover-revolutionary-new-treatment.html

    This is a positive reaction to a monoculture. There a bunch of negative ones out there, like bananas and a certain fungus:
    http://consumerist.com/2011/01/05/fungus-threatens-to-make-all-edible-bananas-extinct/
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