So what's with this Sugar then ? FAQ
yarwell
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Firstly, if you don't want to track sugar daily you can turn it off in the settings of your food diary at http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings (top left)
Secondly, if you want to use a higher target than MFP's standard you can change that in Custom Goals at http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/change_goals_custom (lower left)
1. What is MFP's sugar target ?
The value appears to be set at 8% of your daily calories. So if your calorie goal is 2000 cals the sugar part is 160 cals or 40 grams per day.
2. Where does the target come from ?
It is almost certainly a limit for "added sugars" or "non-milk extrinsic sugars" based on Nutritional Guidelines.
The American Heart Association say "For most American women, that’s no more than 100 calories per day, or about 6 teaspoons of sugar. For men, it’s 150 calories per day, or about 9 teaspoons." That's 25 or 38 grams per day respectively of added sugars based on "no more than half your discretionary calories". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/11/1011.full.pdf
The World Health Organisation sets a guideline for added sugars to be less than 10% of energy intake. http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/81/8/en/Steyn0803.pdf
The EU have discussed a limit of 90g (18% of energy on a 200 cal diet) for total sugars and observed that 45g is a typical adult intake of intrinsic or naturally occurring sugars from fruit, veg and dairy. http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/doc/1008.pdf
Australia has a Dietary Recommended Intake value for total sugars of 90g per day, as has the EU (for a 2000 calorie diet - so 18% of energy). Annex 13 of Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011
3. What are "added sugars" ?
This depends on your regulatory authorities. In the UK "added sugars is defined as any mono- or
disaccharide or any other food used for its sweetening properties. This would include, but is not exclusively limited to: sucrose, fructose, glucose, glucose syrups, fructose-glucose syrups, corn syrups, invert sugar, honey, maple syrup, malt extract, dextrose, fruit juices, deionised fruit juices, lactose, maltose, high maltose syrups, Agave syrup, dextrin and maltodextrin. The sugars contained in dried fruit are assumed to be intrinsic and are not included as added sugars. The sugars in milk powder are not included as added sugars, in line with COMA dietary guidelines which deemed sugars in milk as a special case and did not set guidelines to limit their intake."
Others are similar, the target being sugars deliberately added to a food product rather than those which happen to occur naturally in the other ingredients of the product. These regulatory definitions are often a political compromise between science, health and food industry interests - the exclusion for sugar in milk for example is probably a result of pressure from the dairy industry and may have little scientific credibility.
4. Which sugars are natural ?
All of them. Sucrose is found in sugar cane and sugar beet as well as in many fruits - half the sugars in orange are sucrose. Glucose is common in fruit but is less sweet than fructose. Fructose is mainly found in honey and fruit and has the highest sweetness intensity of the sugars. Lactose is a sugar and the main carbohydrate in milk products. High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is perhaps the most manipulated sugar product in common use - starch from corn is broken down to glucose and 42-55% of that are then "isomerized" by enzymes or similar processes into fructose molecules to create a liquid syrup with the sweetening characteristics of sucrose but at lower cost.
5. How do natural and added sugars differ chemically ?
They don't. The sucrose molecule is the same wherever you find it. It can be split into a glucose and a fructose molecule under acid conditions or by an enzyme. The resulting fructose and glucose molecules are the same as the native fructose and glucose molecules from fruit. Molecular diagrams at https://cdavies.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/glucose-fructose-sucrose.jpg
Note that fruit juice is a natural sugar but becomes an "added sugar" if used to sweeten a food product.
6. Are natural sugars processed differently in the body ?
No. A glucose molecule or a fructose molecule looks the same to your liver, muscles etc wherever it came from. Fructose molecules follow a different pathway via the liver in contrast to other sugars or carbohydrates, some scientists believe this makes fructose potentially problematic and a "cause" of obesity, diabetes, etc. Robert Lustig, John Yudkins, David Gilespie and others have written books with emotive titles about the "dangers" of sugar or fructose.
In eating a whole fruit the fiber content and dilute nature of the sugars reduces the rate and amount we consume. The same cannot be said of fruit juice (fibre removed) which can contain 50% more sugars than regular cola drinks. Fruit has some vitamins and minerals and is generally perceived as "healthy", especially by its marketers, but ultimately the sugar in a fruit is the same stuff as the sugar in sugar cane and looks identical inside your organs.
7. What should I do ?
This is a matter of personal choice. The approach of 90g total sugars per 2000 calories (18% of energy) seems to be accepted in a number of countries, with MFP's minimum 1200 calorie setting this would be 54g of sugars. At this level the fructose intake will be below the level that some regard as potentially problematic.
If your consumption of fruit (or any food) takes you above this level then you may wish to research further the types of sugar you are eating and the potential health implications. You may choose to set a higher level, or simply to ignore it and just track carbohydrates.
If you read or follow Robert Lustig, John Yudkins or David Gilespie and buy into their arguments then you may want to stick with the MFP value or set a different one based on what you have learned.
Secondly, if you want to use a higher target than MFP's standard you can change that in Custom Goals at http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/change_goals_custom (lower left)
1. What is MFP's sugar target ?
The value appears to be set at 8% of your daily calories. So if your calorie goal is 2000 cals the sugar part is 160 cals or 40 grams per day.
2. Where does the target come from ?
It is almost certainly a limit for "added sugars" or "non-milk extrinsic sugars" based on Nutritional Guidelines.
The American Heart Association say "For most American women, that’s no more than 100 calories per day, or about 6 teaspoons of sugar. For men, it’s 150 calories per day, or about 9 teaspoons." That's 25 or 38 grams per day respectively of added sugars based on "no more than half your discretionary calories". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/11/1011.full.pdf
The World Health Organisation sets a guideline for added sugars to be less than 10% of energy intake. http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/81/8/en/Steyn0803.pdf
The EU have discussed a limit of 90g (18% of energy on a 200 cal diet) for total sugars and observed that 45g is a typical adult intake of intrinsic or naturally occurring sugars from fruit, veg and dairy. http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/doc/1008.pdf
Australia has a Dietary Recommended Intake value for total sugars of 90g per day, as has the EU (for a 2000 calorie diet - so 18% of energy). Annex 13 of Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011
3. What are "added sugars" ?
This depends on your regulatory authorities. In the UK "added sugars is defined as any mono- or
disaccharide or any other food used for its sweetening properties. This would include, but is not exclusively limited to: sucrose, fructose, glucose, glucose syrups, fructose-glucose syrups, corn syrups, invert sugar, honey, maple syrup, malt extract, dextrose, fruit juices, deionised fruit juices, lactose, maltose, high maltose syrups, Agave syrup, dextrin and maltodextrin. The sugars contained in dried fruit are assumed to be intrinsic and are not included as added sugars. The sugars in milk powder are not included as added sugars, in line with COMA dietary guidelines which deemed sugars in milk as a special case and did not set guidelines to limit their intake."
Others are similar, the target being sugars deliberately added to a food product rather than those which happen to occur naturally in the other ingredients of the product. These regulatory definitions are often a political compromise between science, health and food industry interests - the exclusion for sugar in milk for example is probably a result of pressure from the dairy industry and may have little scientific credibility.
4. Which sugars are natural ?
All of them. Sucrose is found in sugar cane and sugar beet as well as in many fruits - half the sugars in orange are sucrose. Glucose is common in fruit but is less sweet than fructose. Fructose is mainly found in honey and fruit and has the highest sweetness intensity of the sugars. Lactose is a sugar and the main carbohydrate in milk products. High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is perhaps the most manipulated sugar product in common use - starch from corn is broken down to glucose and 42-55% of that are then "isomerized" by enzymes or similar processes into fructose molecules to create a liquid syrup with the sweetening characteristics of sucrose but at lower cost.
5. How do natural and added sugars differ chemically ?
They don't. The sucrose molecule is the same wherever you find it. It can be split into a glucose and a fructose molecule under acid conditions or by an enzyme. The resulting fructose and glucose molecules are the same as the native fructose and glucose molecules from fruit. Molecular diagrams at https://cdavies.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/glucose-fructose-sucrose.jpg
Note that fruit juice is a natural sugar but becomes an "added sugar" if used to sweeten a food product.
6. Are natural sugars processed differently in the body ?
No. A glucose molecule or a fructose molecule looks the same to your liver, muscles etc wherever it came from. Fructose molecules follow a different pathway via the liver in contrast to other sugars or carbohydrates, some scientists believe this makes fructose potentially problematic and a "cause" of obesity, diabetes, etc. Robert Lustig, John Yudkins, David Gilespie and others have written books with emotive titles about the "dangers" of sugar or fructose.
In eating a whole fruit the fiber content and dilute nature of the sugars reduces the rate and amount we consume. The same cannot be said of fruit juice (fibre removed) which can contain 50% more sugars than regular cola drinks. Fruit has some vitamins and minerals and is generally perceived as "healthy", especially by its marketers, but ultimately the sugar in a fruit is the same stuff as the sugar in sugar cane and looks identical inside your organs.
7. What should I do ?
This is a matter of personal choice. The approach of 90g total sugars per 2000 calories (18% of energy) seems to be accepted in a number of countries, with MFP's minimum 1200 calorie setting this would be 54g of sugars. At this level the fructose intake will be below the level that some regard as potentially problematic.
If your consumption of fruit (or any food) takes you above this level then you may wish to research further the types of sugar you are eating and the potential health implications. You may choose to set a higher level, or simply to ignore it and just track carbohydrates.
If you read or follow Robert Lustig, John Yudkins or David Gilespie and buy into their arguments then you may want to stick with the MFP value or set a different one based on what you have learned.
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Great post - everyone should read this!0
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This is a great post. I always eat a little too much sugar (not way over, but usually not under) but it's never processed. 1/2 cup blueberries has 7g sugar, as do 10 baby carrots. If I eat both of those in one day I'm already 1/3 of the way through my intake for the day.0
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Great post , thanks !0
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Great post, yarwell. I like that you've included some guidelines for total sugar which are especially hard to come by in the U.S. since sugar is still marketed as harmless empty calories and not a health concern unless you're diabetic.0
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thanks for the post! very clear & informative.0
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Thank you :-)0
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Great information. Thanks!0
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I usually ignore the sugar goal, as it is so low, it is unrealistic, and I'm not eating added sugars, just fruits and such. This is a really informative post. Thanks for sharing.0
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Thank you for this post, if you dont mind me asking, where did you find this information?? It is fantastic and I would love the link to send it to family and friends0
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Thanks for making the point about the ability to change your settings, since those -whatever's tend to bug the heck out of people Me I track sugar just to see where I am but don't worry too much about it if I go over one day, especially if it's fruit. So YMMV.0
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Thank you for this post, if you dont mind me asking, where did you find this information?? It is fantastic and I would love the link to send it to family and friends0
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Bump. Everyone always has questions about sugar.0
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It is a great FAQ. I think everyone I've linked to it has found it helpful -- thanks again for putting it together yarwell.0
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bump. nice information!0
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Great post (: I turned my sugar off a while ago because I hated seeing that red number. I eat a lot of fruit & little added sugar, so I started keeping track of my fiber intake (:0
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Thank you for that information. I was really confused about this.0
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I turned my sugar off too, I eat an apple and few carrots for breakfast and I'm over already.0
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Great post (: I turned my sugar off a while ago because I hated seeing that red number. I eat a lot of fruit & little added sugar, so I started keeping track of my fiber intake (:
That's exactly what I did - for the same reason.0 -
Thanks, really helpful to know. I'm going to keep tracking my sugar, but know that it can be twice as much without worrying too much (the 18%) but reflect on what the source of the sugar is.0
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Bump to keep in my top 25 topics.0
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Thanks for going to the trouble of looking all of that up and explaining it.0
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Thanks! I am trying to reduce added sugars greatly and keep natural sugars to a minimum, I do love fruit in the summer though!0
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Great information! Thank you, thank you, thank you!0
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Thanks!!0
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Thanks for posting this. I have been thinking about turning my sugar off as well because I get discouraged if I eat a lot of fruit in the day and I am way over. I can track the added sugars by myself as I have been able to kind of keep it under control. I think that I am going to start tracking something else like fiber. Great post!!!0
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i have just joined mfp and find i am over my sugar every day and it mainly comes from fruit, milk and yoghurts, rather annoying seeing it go into the red without even a sniff of chocolate or wine0
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This should be a sticky topic. The amount of threads about sugar right now is ridiculous0
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This should be a sticky topic. The amount of threads about sugar right now is ridiculous
Agreed, although it would be interesting to see how many threads would get started about it even if it were a stickied post. :ohwell:0 -
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